Pool C

[scottiedoug]

Thanks, KS:

To what extent do games that are not NCAA D3 and "in region" count in your calculations?

[KnightSlappy]

Thanks, KS:

To what extent do games that are not NCAA D3 and "in region" count in your calculations?

I only include in-region results.

[KnightSlappy]

New Regional Rankings out.  Sorry for the outside link, Pat.  Feel free to change it when you get yours up.

http://www.ncaa.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/020310aae.html

That's last week's rankings, from 2/3/10

[ChicagoHopeNut]

New Regional Rankings out.  Sorry for the outside link, Pat.  Feel free to change it when you get yours up.

http://www.ncaa.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/020310aae.html

That's last week's rankings, from 2/3/10

Here is the link for the new rankings.

http://www.ncaa.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/021010aac.html

[Pat Coleman]

http://d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2010/02/10/2010-regional-rankings-week-2/

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Sorry I got those mixed up.  I trusted a link without double checking - total bonehead move.

[magicman]

KnightSlappy,
I don't know whether this will affect your rankings or not but the team page for Ohio Wesleyan has 2 wrong scores listed. On Dec. 30th Grove City beat Ohio Wesleyan 61-53 instead of 74-67 as  the team page is showing. That probably doesn't affect your figures. However on Jan 30th. the team page is showing Ohio Wesleyan beating Hiram 79-71, when in fact Hiram won that game 79-71. The Bishops record is not 11-10 overall but 10-11 and the conference record is 7-5 instead of 8-4. This will affect their regional record and their winning percentage, as well as the owp and oowp for their opponents. I'll send a copy of this to Pat so he can make the changes. 

[nwhoops1903]

http://d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2010/02/10/2010-regional-rankings-week-2/

West Region is perfectly odd. 

West Region In-Region Record Overall Record
1. UW-Whitewater 17-4 17-4
2. UW-Stevens Point 17-3 18-3
3. St. Thomas 16-2 19-2
4. Whitworth 17-2 19-2
5. Central 16-2 18-4
6. Claremont-Mudd-Scripps 12-3 16-4
7. Chapman 16-1 20-2
8. Hamline 15-7 15-7
9. Augsburg 14-6 15-6

[KnightSlappy]

KnightSlappy,
I don't know whether this will affect your rankings or not but the team page for Ohio Wesleyan has 2 wrong scores listed. On Dec. 30th Grove City beat Ohio Wesleyan 61-53 instead of 74-67 as  the team page is showing. That probably doesn't affect your figures. However on Jan 30th. the team page is showing Ohio Wesleyan beating Hiram 79-71, when in fact Hiram won that game 79-71. The Bishops record is not 11-10 overall but 10-11 and the conference record is 7-5 instead of 8-4. This will affect their regional record and their winning percentage, as well as the owp and oowp for their opponents. I'll send a copy of this to Pat so he can make the changes. 

I caught the Hiram-OWU game last week, but thanks for the heads up!

[Greek Tragedy]

Through games of Sunday, Feb. 7, 2010. Conference leaders in BOLD - Conference leaders (and records) may have changed since Sunday Previous ranking in (...) Men's regional rankings Atlantic Region 1. (1) William Paterson 20-1 21-1 (NJAC) 2. (2) Merchant Marine 17-4 18-4 (LAND) 3. (3) Ramapo 15-5 16-6 (NJAC) 4. (NR) Rutgers-Newark 13-5 17-6 (NJAC) 5. (5) Richard Stockton 15-5 15-6 (NJAC) Dropping out:  York (N.Y.) (CUNYAC) East Region 1. (1) St. John Fisher 17-4 18-4 (Empire 8) 2. (2) Stevens 16-4 16-4 (Empire 8) 3. (4) Medaille 19-2 20-2 (AMCC) 4. (NR) Oneonta State 15-5 16-5 5. (3) New York University 13-6 14-6 (UAA) 6. (6) Nazareth 14-6 15-7 (Empire 8) Dropping out:  Rochester (UAA) Great Lakes Region 1. (1) Wooster 17-3 17-4 (NCAC) 2. (3) Hope 10-2 15-6 (MIAA) - tied with Calvin 3. (NR) John Carroll 13-5 15-5 (OAC) 4. (6) Thomas More 16-5 16-5 (PrAC) 5. (2) Wilmington 14-5 15-6 (OAC) 6. (4) Calvin 9-3 13-8 (MIAA) - tied with Hope Middle Atlantic Region 1. (1) Albright 14-3 16-4 (MAC-Commonwealth) - tied with Lycoming 2. (4) Franklin & Marshall 17-3 17-3 (Centennial) 3. (2) Lycoming 13-4 17-4 (MAC-Commonwealth) - tied with Albright 4. (3) Cabrini 18-2 18-2 (CSAC) 5. (5) St. Mary's (Md.) 14-3 17-3 (CAC) 6. (6) Elizabethtown 14-6 14-6 (MAC-Commonwealth) 7. (7) York (Pa.) 15-4 16-4 (CAC) 8. (8) Alvernia 12-4 14-6 (MAC-Commonwealth) 9. (NR) DeSales 15-4 16-5 (MAC-Freedom) Dropping out:  Catholic (LAND) Midwest Region 1. (1) Washington U. 15-2 18-2 (UAA) 2. (2) Carthage 12-3 16-5 (CCIW) - tied with Illinois Wesleyan 3. (4) Illinois Wesleyan 16-4 17-4 (CCIW) - tied with Carthage 4. (5) Anderson 16-2 18-2 (HCAC) 5. (3) St. Norbert 17-2 18-2 (MWC) 6. (6) Wheaton (Ill.) 13-7 14-7 (CCIW) 7. (7) Augustana 14-6 14-7 (CCIW) 8. (NR) Defiance 15-5 17-5 (HCAC) Dropping out:  Westminster (Mo.) (SLIAC) Northeast Region 1. (1) Williams 19-0 21-1 (NESCAC) 2. (2) MIT 18-1 19-2 (NEWMAC) 3. (4) Middlebury 15-2 19-2 (NESCAC) 4. (6) Bridgewater State 14-3 15-5 (MASCAC) 5. (3) Colby 14-3 16-4 (NESCAC) 6. (5) Brandeis 15-4 15-4 (UAA) 7. (8) Western Connecticut 15-4 16-4 (LEC) 8. (9) Mass.-Dartmouth 15-6 15-6 (LEC) 9. (NR) Albertus Magnus 17-3 17-4 (GNAC) 10. (7) Gordon 16-3 17-3 (CCC) 11. (NR) WPI 14-5 15-5 (NEWMAC) Dropping out:  Eastern Connecticut (LEC), Rhode Island College (LEC) South Region 1. (1) Guilford 19-1 19-1 (ODAC) 2. (2) Virginia Wesleyan 16-2 18-2 (ODAC) 3. (3) Texas-Dallas 16-3 17-4 (ASC-East) 4. (4) Eastern Mennonite 12-2 16-3 (ODAC) 5. (6) Austin 16-5 16-5 (SCAC) 6. (7) Mary Hardin-Baylor 15-5 15-6 (ASC-West) 7. (NR) Randolph-Macon 10-4 16-4 (ODAC) 8. (5) Maryville (Tenn.) 12-3 17-4 (GSAC) Pool B Dropping out:  Mississippi College (ASC-East) West Region 1. (1) UW-Whitewater 17-4 17-4 (WIAC) - tied with Stevens Point 2. (2) UW-Stevens Point 17-3 18-3 (WIAC) - tied with Whitewater 3. (3) St. Thomas 16-2 19-2 (MIAC) 4. (4) Whitworth 17-2 19-2 (NWC) 5. (8) Central 16-2 18-4 (IIAC) 6. (NR) Claremont-Mudd-Scripps 12-3 16-4 (SCIAC) 7. (7) Chapman 16-1 20-2 (Independent) Pool B 8. (NR) Hamline 15-7 15-7 (MIAC) 9. (9) Augsburg 14-6 15-6 (MIAC) Dropping out:  La Crosse (WIAC), Gustavus Adolphus (MIAC)

[KnightSlappy]

Anyone have any ideas on this one?

In the Great Lakes, Wilmington is #5 and Calvin is #6.

Primary Criteria:
WP: Calvin 0.750, Wilmington 0.737
SOS: Calvin 0.536, Wilmington 0.524
Head-to-Head: None
Common Opponents: Even/slight adv. Wilmington Calvin 1-0 vs. ONU, Wilmington 1-0 vs. ONU (Does margin factor in?)
vs. in-region ranked teams: Even/slight adv. Calvin. Calvin 1-2 all vs. #2 Hope, Wilmington 1-2, 1-1 vs. #3 JCU, 0-1 vs. #4 Thomas More.

Secondary Criteria:
Overall D3 WP: Wilmington 0.750, Calvin 0.706
Overall WP: Wilmington 0.714, Calvin 0.636
Results vs. D3 Ranked: Calvin 1-1, 1-0 vs. Carthage, 0-1 vs. Wheaton. Wilmington: None
OVR D3 SOS: Didn't calculate, but Calvin adds: Carthage, Wheaton, Lake Forest, Loras, and Lewis and Clark, Wilmington adds: Spalding

I know I'm looking at this one with my slappy glasses on, but I would pick Calvin in this matchup.
They have a slight advantage on 2 primary criteria, and maybe 2 slight advantages in the secondary (I would figure 1-1 vs. out-of-region ranked teams is better than 0-0) and I would think their overall schedule remains tougher with the likes of Wheaton and Carthage on it. Wilmington's only advantages rest in the secondary with overall and overall D3 winning percentages.

This has to be very very close.

[Pat Coleman]

The overall winning percentages are a significant advantage for Wilmington. Those aren't slight.

[KnightSlappy]

The overall winning percentages are a significant advantage for Wilmington. Those aren't slight.

Which is why I didn't qualify them as such.

It just leaves me with a couple of questions:

Once the committee decides to look into secondary criteria, are the primary considered 'even' and ignored?
If not, do the primary criteria weigh more heavily than the secondary criteria, or is it equally judged?

[Pat Coleman]

No, you didn't, but you definitely buried them.

I suspect this is something that every committee deals with differently. But if you do get to the secondary criteria, that means the primary criteria are considered even. I believe the wording is "if the primary criteria do not result in a decision" being reached.

[ChicagoHopeNut]

I have to put forward my general theory that subconsciously the committee sees Wilmington at 14-5 in region and Calvin at 9-3 and that large discrepancy in games played in region affects what happens.

It's a close case and certainly an argument could be made for both teams to be #5.