Pool C

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[sac]

Can someone calculate what Anderson's OOWP would have been had they never played (and beaten) Alma, Bluffton (x2), Earlham, and Oberlin?

I believe their OWP would have been .548 (assuming I understand how it's calculated), but I'm not sure of the right way to calculate OOWP.  If their OOWP remained at .495, they'd have a SOS of .530, along with a WP of .750, giving them a resume very similar to John Carroll (I believe both even went 2-2 in-region against ranked opponents).

(I'm basing all these numbers off the SOS page, which looks like it hasn't been updated with Sunday's games.  I'm assuming the numbers will be largely unchanged for the teams in question.)

Why bother, they did play Alma, Bluffton (x2), Earlham and Oberlin.........everybody has  few weak opponents on the schedule

[Ralph Turner]

Can someone calculate what Anderson's OOWP would have been had they never played (and beaten) Alma, Bluffton (x2), Earlham, and Oberlin?

I believe their OWP would have been .548 (assuming I understand how it's calculated), but I'm not sure of the right way to calculate OOWP.  If their OOWP remained at .495, they'd have a SOS of .530, along with a WP of .750, giving them a resume very similar to John Carroll (I believe both even went 2-2 in-region against ranked opponents).

(I'm basing all these numbers off the SOS page, which looks like it hasn't been updated with Sunday's games.  I'm assuming the numbers will be largely unchanged for the teams in question.)

Why bother, they did play Alma, Bluffton (x2), Earlham and Oberlin.........everybody has  few weak opponents on the schedule

Last season, I asked Pabegg to run some scenarios changing one or two variables on one team (McMurry) and how it impacted the numbers on other schools.  Here is his answer.

http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=4232.2384

The home loss to Transylvania may be the loss that prevents Anderson from getting a Pool C bid.

If the HCAC awarded the AQ bid to the regular season winner as the UAA does, then this discussion would be moot.

[fritzdis]

Can someone calculate what Anderson's OOWP would have been had they never played (and beaten) Alma, Bluffton (x2), Earlham, and Oberlin?

I believe their OWP would have been .548 (assuming I understand how it's calculated), but I'm not sure of the right way to calculate OOWP.  If their OOWP remained at .495, they'd have a SOS of .530, along with a WP of .750, giving them a resume very similar to John Carroll (I believe both even went 2-2 in-region against ranked opponents).

(I'm basing all these numbers off the SOS page, which looks like it hasn't been updated with Sunday's games.  I'm assuming the numbers will be largely unchanged for the teams in question.)

Why bother, they did play Alma, Bluffton (x2), Earlham and Oberlin.........everybody has  few weak opponents on the schedule

Mostly, I'm just curious.  Not everyone plays even 1 team with a record as bad as those 4.  For John Carroll, for example, I believe the worst opponent's record was Muskigum at 7-17 in-region (Oberlin's 5-17 mark was the best of the 4 I mentioned).

Maybe Anderson's coach was right, and no one is willing to schedule them, but scheduling non-conference teams like Alma, Earlham, and Oberlin, who have all had terrible records for the last several years, makes it very hard to secure a Pool C bid.  The numbers seem to indicate that they actually would have been better off scheduling non-D3 teams.

[Flying Dutch Fan]

Can someone calculate what Anderson's OOWP would have been had they never played (and beaten) Alma, Bluffton (x2), Earlham, and Oberlin?

I believe their OWP would have been .548 (assuming I understand how it's calculated), but I'm not sure of the right way to calculate OOWP.  If their OOWP remained at .495, they'd have a SOS of .530, along with a WP of .750, giving them a resume very similar to John Carroll (I believe both even went 2-2 in-region against ranked opponents).

(I'm basing all these numbers off the SOS page, which looks like it hasn't been updated with Sunday's games.  I'm assuming the numbers will be largely unchanged for the teams in question.)

Why bother, they did play Alma, Bluffton (x2), Earlham and Oberlin.........everybody has  few weak opponents on the schedule

Mostly, I'm just curious.  Not everyone plays even 1 team with a record as bad as those 4.  For John Carroll, for example, I believe the worst opponent's record was Muskigum at 7-17 in-region (Oberlin's 5-17 mark was the best of the 4 I mentioned).

Maybe Anderson's coach was right, and no one is willing to schedule them, but scheduling non-conference teams like Alma, Earlham, and Oberlin, who have all had terrible records for the last several years, makes it very hard to secure a Pool C bid.  The numbers seem to indicate that they actually would have been better off scheduling non-D3 teams.

Calvin - a bubble team as well - played Alma 3 times this year.  Anderson is not alone in having games against that kind of opponent.

[KnightSlappy]

Can someone calculate what Anderson's OOWP would have been had they never played (and beaten) Alma, Bluffton (x2), Earlham, and Oberlin?

I believe their OWP would have been .548 (assuming I understand how it's calculated), but I'm not sure of the right way to calculate OOWP.  If their OOWP remained at .495, they'd have a SOS of .530, along with a WP of .750, giving them a resume very similar to John Carroll (I believe both even went 2-2 in-region against ranked opponents).

(I'm basing all these numbers off the SOS page, which looks like it hasn't been updated with Sunday's games.  I'm assuming the numbers will be largely unchanged for the teams in question.)

Why bother, they did play Alma, Bluffton (x2), Earlham and Oberlin.........everybody has  few weak opponents on the schedule

Mostly, I'm just curious.  Not everyone plays even 1 team with a record as bad as those 4.  For John Carroll, for example, I believe the worst opponent's record was Muskigum at 7-17 in-region (Oberlin's 5-17 mark was the best of the 4 I mentioned).

Maybe Anderson's coach was right, and no one is willing to schedule them, but scheduling non-conference teams like Alma, Earlham, and Oberlin, who have all had terrible records for the last several years, makes it very hard to secure a Pool C bid.  The numbers seem to indicate that they actually would have been better off scheduling non-D3 teams.

Or simply winning their tournament.  

[fritzdis]

Can someone calculate what Anderson's OOWP would have been had they never played (and beaten) Alma, Bluffton (x2), Earlham, and Oberlin?

I believe their OWP would have been .548 (assuming I understand how it's calculated), but I'm not sure of the right way to calculate OOWP.  If their OOWP remained at .495, they'd have a SOS of .530, along with a WP of .750, giving them a resume very similar to John Carroll (I believe both even went 2-2 in-region against ranked opponents).

(I'm basing all these numbers off the SOS page, which looks like it hasn't been updated with Sunday's games.  I'm assuming the numbers will be largely unchanged for the teams in question.)

Why bother, they did play Alma, Bluffton (x2), Earlham and Oberlin.........everybody has  few weak opponents on the schedule

Mostly, I'm just curious.  Not everyone plays even 1 team with a record as bad as those 4.  For John Carroll, for example, I believe the worst opponent's record was Muskigum at 7-17 in-region (Oberlin's 5-17 mark was the best of the 4 I mentioned).

Maybe Anderson's coach was right, and no one is willing to schedule them, but scheduling non-conference teams like Alma, Earlham, and Oberlin, who have all had terrible records for the last several years, makes it very hard to secure a Pool C bid.  The numbers seem to indicate that they actually would have been better off scheduling non-D3 teams.

Calvin - a bubble team as well - played Alma 3 times this year.  Anderson is not alone in having games against that kind of opponent.

And that may hurt Calvin's chances.  Being in the same conference as Alma, they didn't have a choice in the scheduling (like Anderson with Bluffton).

[Ralph Turner]

Can someone calculate what Anderson's OOWP would have been had they never played (and beaten) Alma, Bluffton (x2), Earlham, and Oberlin?

I believe their OWP would have been .548 (assuming I understand how it's calculated), but I'm not sure of the right way to calculate OOWP.  If their OOWP remained at .495, they'd have a SOS of .530, along with a WP of .750, giving them a resume very similar to John Carroll (I believe both even went 2-2 in-region against ranked opponents).

(I'm basing all these numbers off the SOS page, which looks like it hasn't been updated with Sunday's games.  I'm assuming the numbers will be largely unchanged for the teams in question.)

Why bother, they did play Alma, Bluffton (x2), Earlham and Oberlin.........everybody has  few weak opponents on the schedule

Mostly, I'm just curious.  Not everyone plays even 1 team with a record as bad as those 4.  For John Carroll, for example, I believe the worst opponent's record was Muskigum at 7-17 in-region (Oberlin's 5-17 mark was the best of the 4 I mentioned).

Maybe Anderson's coach was right, and no one is willing to schedule them, but scheduling non-conference teams like Alma, Earlham, and Oberlin, who have all had terrible records for the last several years, makes it very hard to secure a Pool C bid.  The numbers seem to indicate that they actually would have been better off scheduling non-D3 teams.

Calvin - a bubble team as well - played Alma 3 times this year.  Anderson is not alone in having games against that kind of opponent.

And that may hurt Calvin's chances.  Being in the same conference as Alma, they didn't have a choice in the scheduling (like Anderson with Bluffton).

As Pat Coleman has said many times, "which game did you lose that you should not have lost?"

When Pool C comes around, you almost have to be perfect on your home court.

[Pat Coleman]

Bracket: http://www.d3boards.com/playoffs/mbb-bracket2010.pdf

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

I thought Wesley had a strong case, I just didn't expect them to get to the table before Messiah.

With that plus the creativity in bracketing, the committee really seems to have done a good job of spreading out the field a little.

Well done.

[Pat Coleman]

Agreed -- I think this is fairly nicely done.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Two of the NE pods are a little weak, but not outrageously so and two of the South pods are a little stacked, but again not outrageously so.

We have a shot of getting at least 14 of the top 16 schools into the sweet 16.

[Greek Tragedy]

POOL C WINNERS

Atlantic Region In-Region Record Overall Record
3.(3) Rutgers-Newark  16-5 20-6 (NJAC) LOST to Richard Stockton in NJAC semis
4.(5) Richard Stockton 19-5 19-6 (NJAC) LOST to William Paterson in NJAC Final
5.(4) Ramapo 17-7 18-8 (NJAC) LOST to William Paterson in NJAC semis;

Previously ranked:  York (N.Y.)   (CUNYAC) LOST to Brooklyn in CUNYAC Final

East Region In-Region Record Overall Record
1.(1) St. John Fisher  20-4 21-4 (Empire 8); LOST to Nazareth in Empire 8 Final
3.(3) Oneonta State  19-5 20-5 (SUNYAC) LOST to Plattsburgh State in SUNYAC Final
4.(NA) Ithaca  15-6 18-7 (Empire 8) LOST to Nazareth in Empire 8 semis  
6.(5) New York University 15-8 16-8 (UAA); LOST to Brandeis  

Dropping out:  Stevens  (Empire 8)

Previously ranked:  Rochester   (UAA) BEAT Emory

Great Lakes Region In-Region Record Overall Record
1.(2) John Carroll  17-5 19-5 (OAC) LOST to Heidelberg in OAC semis.
4.(4) Calvin 13-3 17-8 (MIAA); LOST to Hope in MIAA Final
5.(6) Thomas More   19-6 19-6 (PrAC) LOST to Grove City in PrAC Final

Dropping out:  Wittenberg (NCAC) LOST to Wooster in NCAC Final

Middle Atlantic Region In-Region Record Overall Record
5.(3) Lycoming 16-5 20-5 (MACC) LOST to Albright in MACC Final  
7.(8) Messiah 15-5 16-8 (MACC); LOST to Albright in MACC semis
8.(7) York (Pa) 18-6 19-6 (CAC); LOST to Wesley in CAC semis
9.(NA) Wesley 14-5 17-7 (CAC); LOST to St. Mary's (Md) in CAC Final

Dropping out:  Catholic (LAND) LOST to Scranton in LAND semis

Previously ranked:  Elizabethtown (MACC) LOST to Lycoming in MACC semis, Alvernia (MACC)


Midwest Region In-Region Record Overall Record
3.(4) Wheaton (Ill) 17-7 18-7 (CCIW); LOST to Illinois Wesleyan in CCIW semis
4.(5) Illinois Wesleyan  18-6 19-6 (CCIW); LOST to Carthage in CCIW Final
6.(6) Anderson 19-4 21-4 (HCAC); LOST to Defiance in HCAC Final
8.(8) Augustana 16-8 16-9 (CCIW); LOST to Carthage in CCIW semis

Northeast Region In-Region Record Overall Record
2.(3) Middlebury 19-2 23-2 (NESCAC); LOST to Williams in NESCAC Final
3.(2) MIT 21-2 22-3 (NEWMAC); LOST to Clark in NEWMAC semis
4.(5) Colby 17-4 19-5 (NESCAC); LOST to Middlebury in NESCAC semis
5.(4) Brandeis 18-6 18-6 (UAA); BEAT NYU
9.(11) Western Connecticut   17-6 18-6 (LEC); LOST to Rhode Island College in LEC Final  
10.(10) WPI 17-6 18-6 (NEWMAC);  LOST to Clark in NEWMAC Final
11.(8)Eastern Connecticut   17-8 17-8 (LEC); LOST to Western Connecticut in LEC semis

Previously ranked:  Mass-Dartmouth (LEC);

South Region In-Region Record Overall Record
1.(1) Eastern Mennonite  17-2 21-3 (ODAC) LOST to Randolph-Macon in ODAC semis 
3.(3) Texas-Dallas 20-3 21-4 (ASC-East); LOST to Mary Hardin-Baylor in ASC Final
4.(4) Virginia Wesleyan  19-4 21-4 (ODAC); LOST to Guilford in ODAC semis  
5.(6) Randolph-Macon 14-5 20-5 (ODAC); LOST to Guilford in ODAC Final
7.(5) Austin 19-6 19-6 (SCAC); LOST to DePauw in SCAC semis

Previously ranked:  Mississippi College   (ASC-East) LOST to Mary Hardin-Baylor in ASC semis

West Region In-Region Record Overall Record
1.(1) Whitewater 21-4 21-4 (WIAC); LOST to Stevens Point in WIAC Final
2.(3) St. Thomas 20-2 23-2 (MIAC); LOST to Carleton in MIAC semis
7.(9) La Crosse 16-7 17-8 (WIAC); LOST to Superior in WIAC quarterfinals
9.(8) Augsburg   17-7 18-7 (MIAC); LOST to Gustavus Adolphus in MIAC semis

[Mr. Ypsi]

Agreed -- I think this is fairly nicely done.

The power was far more dispersed this year.  Had it been as concentrated as last year, I wonder if they would have produced another Bracket of Death?

[Pat Coleman]

They still moved UWW and Whitworth out, which they could have done last year with UWW and UPS but failed to.