Pool C

[Mr. Ypsi]

They still moved UWW and Whitworth out, which they could have done last year with UWW and UPS but failed to.

Good point.  Thumbs up to the selection committee.

[KnightSlappy]

For those that followed my numbers all year:

Standard RPI (25% winning percentage and 75% SOS) picked 16 out of 19 Pool C teams.
It had Messiah, Colby, and UW-LaCrosse as in, and Anderson, Wheaton, and Wesley as out.

RPI50 (50-50 WP to SOS ratio) also picked 16 of 19 teams.
It had Messiah, Colby, and Calvin as in, and the same three above as out.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

For those that followed my numbers all year:

Standard RPI (25% winning percentage and 75% SOS) picked 16 out of 19 Pool C teams.
It had Messiah, Colby, and UW-LaCrosse as in, and Anderson, Wheaton, and Wesley as out.

RPI50 (50-50 WP to SOS ratio) also picked 16 of 19 teams.
It had Messiah, Colby, and Calvin as in, and the same three above as out.

It seems like those last three were the big problem to pick.  Obviously they relied on secondary criteria, which makes it a little more subjective.

[Titan Q]

POOL C WINNERS

Atlantic Region In-Region Record Overall Record
3.(3) Rutgers-Newark  16-5 20-6 (NJAC) LOST to Richard Stockton in NJAC semis
4.(5) Richard Stockton 19-5 19-6 (NJAC) LOST to William Paterson in NJAC Final
5.(4) Ramapo 17-7 18-8 (NJAC) LOST to William Paterson in NJAC semis;

Previously ranked:  York (N.Y.)   (CUNYAC) LOST to Brooklyn in CUNYAC Final

East Region In-Region Record Overall Record
1.(1) St. John Fisher  20-4 21-4 (Empire 8); LOST to Nazareth in Empire 8 Final
3.(3) Oneonta State  19-5 20-5 (SUNYAC) LOST to Plattsburgh State in SUNYAC Final
4.(NA) Ithaca  15-6 18-7 (Empire 8) LOST to Nazareth in Empire 8 semis  
6.(5) New York University 15-8 16-8 (UAA); LOST to Brandeis  

Dropping out:  Stevens  (Empire 8)

Previously ranked:  Rochester   (UAA) BEAT Emory

Great Lakes Region In-Region Record Overall Record
1.(2) John Carroll  17-5 19-5 (OAC) LOST to Heidelberg in OAC semis.
4.(4) Calvin 13-3 17-8 (MIAA); LOST to Hope in MIAA Final
5.(6) Thomas More   19-6 19-6 (PrAC) LOST to Grove City in PrAC Final

Dropping out:  Wittenberg (NCAC) LOST to Wooster in NCAC Final

Middle Atlantic Region In-Region Record Overall Record
5.(3) Lycoming 16-5 20-5 (MACC) LOST to Albright in MACC Final  
7.(8) Messiah 15-5 16-8 (MACC); LOST to Albright in MACC semis
8.(7) York (Pa) 18-6 19-6 (CAC); LOST to Wesley in CAC semis
9.(NA) Wesley 14-5 17-7 (CAC); LOST to St. Mary's (Md) in CAC Final

Dropping out:  Catholic (LAND) LOST to Scranton in LAND semis

Previously ranked:  Elizabethtown (MACC) LOST to Lycoming in MACC semis, Alvernia (MACC)


Midwest Region In-Region Record Overall Record
3.(4) Wheaton (Ill) 17-7 18-7 (CCIW); LOST to Illinois Wesleyan in CCIW semis
4.(5) Illinois Wesleyan  18-6 19-6 (CCIW); LOST to Carthage in CCIW Final
6.(6) Anderson 19-4 21-4 (HCAC); LOST to Defiance in HCAC Final
8.(8) Augustana 16-8 16-9 (CCIW); LOST to Carthage in CCIW semis

Northeast Region In-Region Record Overall Record
2.(3) Middlebury 19-2 23-2 (NESCAC); LOST to Williams in NESCAC Final
3.(2) MIT 21-2 22-3 (NEWMAC); LOST to Clark in NEWMAC semis
4.(5) Colby 17-4 19-5 (NESCAC); LOST to Middlebury in NESCAC semis
5.(4) Brandeis 18-6 18-6 (UAA); BEAT NYU
9.(11) Western Connecticut   17-6 18-6 (LEC); LOST to Rhode Island College in LEC Final  
10.(10) WPI 17-6 18-6 (NEWMAC);  LOST to Clark in NEWMAC Final
11.(8)Eastern Connecticut   17-8 17-8 (LEC); LOST to Western Connecticut in LEC semis

Previously ranked:  Mass-Dartmouth (LEC);

South Region In-Region Record Overall Record
1.(1) Eastern Mennonite  17-2 21-3 (ODAC) LOST to Randolph-Macon in ODAC semis 
3.(3) Texas-Dallas 20-3 21-4 (ASC-East); LOST to Mary Hardin-Baylor in ASC Final
4.(4) Virginia Wesleyan  19-4 21-4 (ODAC); LOST to Guilford in ODAC semis  
5.(6) Randolph-Macon 14-5 20-5 (ODAC); LOST to Guilford in ODAC Final
7.(5) Austin 19-6 19-6 (SCAC); LOST to DePauw in SCAC semis

Previously ranked:  Mississippi College   (ASC-East) LOST to Mary Hardin-Baylor in ASC semis

West Region In-Region Record Overall Record
1.(1) Whitewater 21-4 21-4 (WIAC); LOST to Stevens Point in WIAC Final
2.(3) St. Thomas 20-2 23-2 (MIAC); LOST to Carleton in MIAC semis
7.(9) La Crosse 16-7 17-8 (WIAC); LOST to Superior in WIAC quarterfinals
9.(8) Augsburg   17-7 18-7 (MIAC); LOST to Gustavus Adolphus in MIAC semis

If someone has the time, we should update this with the final regional/overall records.  These records are through last Tuesday, right?  If updated, it will be a valuable thing to look back on next year as we try to sort out Pool C.

Good work, Tom.

[KnightSlappy]

For those that followed my numbers all year:

Standard RPI (25% winning percentage and 75% SOS) picked 16 out of 19 Pool C teams.
It had Messiah, Colby, and UW-LaCrosse as in, and Anderson, Wheaton, and Wesley as out.

RPI50 (50-50 WP to SOS ratio) also picked 16 of 19 teams.
It had Messiah, Colby, and Calvin as in, and the same three above as out.

It seems like those last three were the big problem to pick.  Obviously they relied on secondary criteria, which makes it a little more subjective.

Also head to head and common oponents (in-region) is unlikely across regions, so there's two more primary criteria out the window. Maybe that's why RPI does a better job picking Pool C than it does ranking the regions? The WP and SOS are the two HUGE factors in Pool C selection.

ziggy and I spent several hours doing selections, and we were only able to do one better than RPI, same for the d3hoops.com projection too.

[Greek Tragedy]

The records listed were from the last regional rankings, which go through that previous SUNDAY.  I was too lazy to update the records!

[John Gleich]

Did we get the final NCAA regional rankings?

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Did we get the final NCAA regional rankings?

The NCAA site says the rankings on the 24th were the "last of the season."  I don't think we're getting the rankings they used to pick the tournament.

[Titan Q]

Did we get the final NCAA regional rankings?

The NCAA site says the rankings on the 24th were the "last of the season."  I don't think we're getting the rankings they used to pick the tournament.

Per the Handbook, a final ranking was supposed to come out yesterday (page 17)...

http://web1.ncaa.org/web_files/champ_handbooks/basketball/2010/10_3_mbasketball.pdf

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Did we get the final NCAA regional rankings?

The NCAA site says the rankings on the 24th were the "last of the season."  I don't think we're getting the rankings they used to pick the tournament.

Per the Handbook, a final ranking was supposed to come out yesterday (page 17)...

http://web1.ncaa.org/web_files/champ_handbooks/basketball/2010/10_3_mbasketball.pdf

I'll let you make that phone call.

[Hugenerd]

I was expecting one also, but in last week's poll it says "final poll" more than once.  I wonder if they had a change of heart.

[Knightstalker]

I was expecting one also, but in last week's poll it says "final poll" more than once.  I wonder if they had a change of heart.

The final regional rankings are only seen by the selection committees.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

I was expecting one also, but in last week's poll it says "final poll" more than once.  I wonder if they had a change of heart.

The final regional rankings are only seen by the selection committees.

That was supposed to change this year.  Evidently is has not.

[KnightSlappy]

I was expecting one also, but in last week's poll it says "final poll" more than once.  I wonder if they had a change of heart.

The final regional rankings are only seen by the selection committees.

That's how it was always done in the past, but this year. Sunday Feb, 28 also appeared on the list of days, leading many to believe they would release the rankings... as it says they would.

[Pat Coleman]

I made the call. Via email, but I made it. We'll see.