Pool C

[Ethelred the Unready]

I tink Pat, Knightslappy, Desi, Ypsi need to conduct an online course for some of us old heads who have fallen behind....  3 credits for "Modern Math and Computing for the Everyday D3Hoops Fan"....   I've totally lost the concepts!!!

That's exactly why I adhere to the "Win and everything else takes care of itself" philosophy.

[RustCollege]

Is it a D3 win or Lose when a team play Berry

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Don't believe Berry's games count right now...

[RustCollege]

Don't believe Berry's games count right now...

why it don't

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Both Berry and Covenant are provisional members of D3... they are not full-fledged members as they have to go through a four year process before becoming a full-time member.

[RustCollege]

It would be nice if Rust can get in as a Pool C cause if they do Rust will be the team to watch the record my not show it but this is a hard team to beat if they get in...Rust has been playing on the road alot this year but Rust need to be talked about at least i know its gone be hard

[NEPAFAN]

It would be nice if Rust can get in as a Pool C cause if they do Rust will be the team to watch the record my not show it but this is a hard team to beat if they get in...Rust has been playing on the road alot this year but Rust need to be talked about at least i know its gone be hard

Do you speak English?

[RustCollege]

It would be nice if Rust can get in as a Pool C cause if they do Rust will be the team to watch the record my not show it but this is a hard team to beat if they get in...Rust has been playing on the road alot this year but Rust need to be talked about at least i know its gone be hard

I know its a long shot but give Rust a shot

[zander]

It would be nice if Rust can get in as a Pool C cause if they do Rust will be the team to watch the record my not show it but this is a hard team to beat if they get in...Rust has been playing on the road alot this year but Rust need to be talked about at least i know its gone be hard

Is that school tough to get into?
Do you speak English?

[zander]

I looked it up...ACT-16

[RustCollege]

I looked it up...ACT-16

Look here my boy you are not funny at all soooooooooooo try again

[RustCollege]

It would be nice if Rust can get in as a Pool C cause if they do Rust will be the team to watch the record my not show it but this is a hard team to beat if they get in...Rust has been playing on the road alot this year but Rust need to be talked about at least i know its gone be hard

Do you speak English?

tell me if you understand this SHUT UP do you have something better to do

[John Gleich]

It would be nice if Rust can get in as a Pool C cause if they do Rust will be the team to watch the record my not show it but this is a hard team to beat if they get in...Rust has been playing on the road alot this year but Rust need to be talked about at least i know its gone be hard

I know its a long shot but give Rust a shot

Whether we agree with it or not, the Pool C formula is pretty simple.  Play regional opponents and beat them.  If you don't beat them, then you won't be regionally ranked as high as they are... and thus the opponent will be "on the board" sooner, and they will be "talked about."

If a team isn't the top regionally-ranked team from their region at any one moment in the selection process, then they won't (can't) get a Pool C bid.  That's how the selection process works... each region's top regionally ranked team is compared against the other regions' top regionally ranked team.

Their in-region winning percentage, strength of schedule, record vs. regionally ranked opponents, etc, are compared, and the team with the best resume is selected.  The next-highest team from that region then takes the top spot, and this continues until all 18 (for men) Pool C bids are exhausted.

That's right, only 18.  That's 18 out of... 403 D-III teams, I believe.  That's less than the top 5% of teams in the country.

Rust is a Pool B team (i.e. a team from a conference without an automatic bid, typically received by winning the conference tournament).  Historically, Pool B teams have not had resumes that could have earned them a Pool C bid.  In other words, if not for the Pool B bid, they wouldn't have gotten in. 

This year, there's only one Pool B bid, which will be taken by Chapman, who's only lost one D-III game.  For other Pool B teams to have gotten looks, they would need better resumes.  None of the other Pool B contenders are even regionally ranked.

[KnightSlappy]

Epic NCAA math fail.

The D3 men's committee chair was on Hoopsville discussing the H/A multipliers on the SOS. He referenced a study (D1, I think) that says that home teams win 60% of the time.

Actual home winning percentage: 0.600
Expected home winning percentage: 0.500

0.600 / 0.500 = 1.2

Actual road winning percentage: 0.400
Expected road winning percentage: 0.500

0.400 / 0.500 = 0.8


There was a second study referenced (D3 this time, but limited data) that suggests the home team in D3 wins 58%-66% of the time

0.580 / 0.500 = 1.16
0.660 / 0.500 = 1.32

... averaging those... 1.24

Not sure how 1.4 / 0.6 is justified. If you already have those studies, it takes about 90 seconds with a calculator (or 3 minutes using fingers and toes) to pick much more reasonable numbers in the 1.2 / 0.8 range.

[Mr. Ypsi]

KS,

This IS the NCAA we are discussing.  Can we be certain they HAVE fingers and toes?

1.4 and .6 are SO far out of reasonable that one wonders whether they have descended from a different planet.