Pool C

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nwhoops1903

Add WPI to the bubble list.
NWC fan

WcsuAlum

What are the chances of Western Connecticut getting the pool C bid with WPI losing in there conference championship today?

carletonsid

Looks like Manchester is going to grab the HCAC's auto--leading 68-56 with 1:28 left.

St. Thomas up on Gustavus 34-26 with under 5 minutes left in the MIAC

Hugenerd

I think WPI is pretty much a lock. They only have 4 D3 losses and you can only really call one of them bad, and that was their sole conference defeat in-season. Their SOS is good also. There is no way they drop below Becker, West Conn, or Amherst. They will probably be second on the board from the NE after Williams.

carletonsid

Quote from: hugenerd on February 27, 2011, 03:39:26 PM
I think WPI is pretty much a lock. They only have 4 D3 losses and you can only really call one of them bad, and that was their sole conference defeat in-season. Their SOS is good also. There is no way they drop below Becker, West Conn, or Amherst. They will probably be second on the board from the NE after Williams.

Agreed. Nice numbers across the board for WPI. They are in.

Titan Q

#3110
Just FYI on Midwest...

Quote from: Titan Q on February 27, 2011, 04:05:36 PM
I've heard that the final Midwest ranking is done, and it goes...

1. Augustana (Pool A)
2. Concordia (Pool C candidate)
3. Manchester (Pool A)
4. Hanover (Pool C candidate)
5. Illinois Wesleyan (Pool C candidate)
6. Benedictine (Pool A)
7. Edgewood (Pool C candidate)
8. St. Norbert (Pool A)


Dave 'd-mac' McHugh

Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 27, 2011, 12:22:42 PM
Quote from: Bengalsrule on February 27, 2011, 11:51:38 AM
Does anyone know when the final regional rankings come out today??? ???

We don't know for sure that they do.
I don't think they will be out until tomorrow after the brackets are announced... they aren't announcing who is in or out tonight... releasing the regional rankings would essentially give the same info away.
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John Gleich

Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 27, 2011, 04:53:33 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 27, 2011, 12:22:42 PM
Quote from: Bengalsrule on February 27, 2011, 11:51:38 AM
Does anyone know when the final regional rankings come out today??? ???

We don't know for sure that they do.
I don't think they will be out until tomorrow after the brackets are announced... they aren't announcing who is in or out tonight... releasing the regional rankings would essentially give the same info away.

But... the Handbook does say the rankings will be released today, FWIW
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Dave 'd-mac' McHugh

I know what the handbook says... I also know what happened last year... and I also know they don't want to take any of the excitement away from the selection shows tomorrow... so put it this way... I would be shocked if regional rankings appeared today... and they won't be out until at least late tonight anyway.
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carletonsid

Quote from: PointSpecial on February 27, 2011, 04:55:08 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 27, 2011, 04:53:33 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 27, 2011, 12:22:42 PM
Quote from: Bengalsrule on February 27, 2011, 11:51:38 AM
Does anyone know when the final regional rankings come out today??? ???

We don't know for sure that they do.
I don't think they will be out until tomorrow after the brackets are announced... they aren't announcing who is in or out tonight... releasing the regional rankings would essentially give the same info away.

But... the Handbook does say the rankings will be released today, FWIW

Since when has any NCAA sport committee followed what's written in the handbook? :P

Ralph Turner

Quote from: carletonsid on February 27, 2011, 04:57:54 PM
Quote from: PointSpecial on February 27, 2011, 04:55:08 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 27, 2011, 04:53:33 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 27, 2011, 12:22:42 PM
Quote from: Bengalsrule on February 27, 2011, 11:51:38 AM
Does anyone know when the final regional rankings come out today??? ???

We don't know for sure that they do.
I don't think they will be out until tomorrow after the brackets are announced... they aren't announcing who is in or out tonight... releasing the regional rankings would essentially give the same info away.

But... the Handbook does say the rankings will be released today, FWIW

Since when has any NCAA sport committee followed what's written in the handbook? :P
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John Gleich

Quote from: carletonsid on February 27, 2011, 04:57:54 PM
Quote from: PointSpecial on February 27, 2011, 04:55:08 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 27, 2011, 04:53:33 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 27, 2011, 12:22:42 PM
Quote from: Bengalsrule on February 27, 2011, 11:51:38 AM
Does anyone know when the final regional rankings come out today??? ???

We don't know for sure that they do.
I don't think they will be out until tomorrow after the brackets are announced... they aren't announcing who is in or out tonight... releasing the regional rankings would essentially give the same info away.

But... the Handbook does say the rankings will be released today, FWIW

Since when has any NCAA sport committee followed what's written in the handbook? :P

... If I recall from previous years, if what they do doesn't gel with what is written in the handbook, they just change the handbook...
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Ralph Turner

#3117
I have brought this forward in hopes that knightslappy has an updated version.  This version has Ramapo (and a few others) with  one more loss than the teams that lost later in the week.  (I like the Top 12, down thru Carleton. I start seeing the teams on the bubble at Ramapo.
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 27, 2011, 08:57:42 AM

I think that we need to see this chart after the Pool A's have been removed.

We can pull off the highest 10 Pool C's and then start divvying the teams by region.

The upsets have really tightened up the prospects of Pool C bids falling to the teams deep (like around #35 and beyond).

Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 25, 2011, 10:01:49 PM
I have tried to line the conferences by regions in columns.

NE  EAST    ATL    MIDATL     SOUTH     GL     MW    W

Quote from: KnightSlappy on February 25, 2011, 11:39:45 AM
Top 100 teams (with estimated Pool) by my "best fit" rating formula:

001   --   A C1   --   0.822   Williams       NESCAC
002   --   A   --   0.780   Whitworth                                                                                   NWC
003   --   A   --   0.778   Middlebury           NESCAC
004   --   A   --   0.769   St. Thomas                                                                                 MIAC
005   --   B   --   0.767   Chapman                                                                                      IND
006   --   A   --   0.767   UW-Stevens Point                                                                            WIAC
007   --   A C2   --   0.758   Concordia (Wis.)                                                                 NATHC
008   --   A C3   --   0.758   WPI                   NEWMAC
009   --   A   --   0.751   Wooster                                                                    NCAC
010   --   A C4   --   0.748   Becker               NECC
011   --   A   --   0.747   Augustana                                                                          CCIW
012   --   A   --   0.742   La Roche                                                                   AMCC
013   --   A C5   --   0.740   Virginia Wesleyan                                              ODAC
014   --   A C6   --   0.740   Oswego State                  SUNYAC                          
015   --   A   --   0.739   Randolph-Macon                                                ODAC
016   --   C7   --   0.735   Amherst              NESCAC
017   --   A C8   --   0.732   Western Connecticut   LEC
018   --   C9   --   0.727   Penn State-Behrend                             AMCC                        
019   --   A C10   --   0.725   Ithaca                               E8
020   --   A   --   0.724   Hope                                                                         MIAA
021   --   A   --   0.722   Rochester                         UAA
022   --   C11   --   0.722   UW-River Falls                                                                             WIAC  
023   --   C12   --   0.716   Carleton                                                                                     MIAC
024   --   A   --   0.714   St. Marys (Md.)                                    CAC
025   --   C13   --   0.713   Ramapo                                   NJAC
026   --   A   --   0.710   SUNY-Purchase                         SKY
027   --   A   --   0.707   Thiel                                                              PresAC                          
028   --   C14   --   0.707   Gwynedd-Mercy                                  CSAC
029   --   A   --   0.705   Cabrini                                              CSAC
030   --   C15   --   0.704   Texas-Dallas                                              ASC
031   --   A   --   0.703   Rhode Island College    LEC
032   --   C16   --   0.697   Hobart                            LL
033   --   A   --   0.695   Marietta                                                                OAC
034   --   C17   --   0.692   Wabash                                                               NCAC
035   --   C18   --   0.690   Keystone                                            CSAC
036   --   A   --   0.685   North Carolina Wesleyan                                      USAS
037   --   A   --   0.685   Manchester                                                                        HCAC
038   --   C   --   0.684   Hanover                                                                           HCAC
039   --   C   --   0.683   Ferrum                                                        USAS
040   --   C   --   0.683   St. Josephs (L.I.)                    SKY                
041   --   C   --   0.683   Eastern Mennonite                                            ODAC
042   --   C   --   0.682   Stevens                          E8
043   --   C   --   0.679   Whitman                                                                                      NWC
044   --   C   --   0.677   Wittenberg                                                                NCAC
045   --   C   --   0.676   Kean                                   NJAC
046   --   C   --   0.676   Wesley                                          CAC
047   --   A C   --   0.667   Montclair State                     NJAC
048   --   C   --   0.666   Medaille                       AMCC                                  
049   --   A   --   0.665   Elms                    NECC
050   --   C   --   0.664   Emory                                                        UAA
051   --   A   --   0.664   McMurry                                                             ASC
052   --   A   --   0.663   Franklin and Marshall                             CC
053   --   A   --   0.662   Scranton
054   --   C   --   0.661   Hamline
055   --   C   --   0.661   Mary Hardin-Baylor
056   --   C   --   0.659   Illinois Wesleyan
057   --   C   --   0.658   Lebanon Valley
058   --   A   --   0.658   St. Norbert
059   --   C   --   0.657   Benedictine
060   --   C   --   0.657   Bethany
061   --   A   --   0.657   Alvernia
062   --   C   --   0.657   Buffalo State
063   --   C   --   0.656   Anderson
064   --   A   --   0.656   Centre                                                             SCAC
065   --   C   --   0.655   Lewis and Clark
066   --   A   --   0.653   RPI
067   --   C   --   0.653   Plattsburgh State
068   --   C   --   0.652   North Central (Ill.)
069   --   C   --   0.650   New Jersey City                          NJAC
070   --   C   --   0.649   Edgewood
071   --   C   --   0.649   Rutgers-Newark
072   --   A   --   0.645   DeSales
073   --   A   --   0.645   Salem State
074   --   C   --   0.644   Wheaton (Ill.)
075   --   A   --   0.642   St. Josephs (Maine)
076   --   C   --   0.642   Eastern Connecticut
077   --   C   --   0.641   John Carroll
078   --   C   --   0.640   Calvin
079   --   C   --   0.640   UW-Platteville
080   --   C   --   0.639   Milwaukee Engineering
081   --   C   --   0.638   Washington U.
082   --   A   --   0.637   Webster
083   --   A   --   0.636   Husson
084   --   C   --   0.635   Christopher Newport
085   --   C   --   0.635   Bridgewater State
086   --   C   --   0.634   Guilford
087   --   C   --   0.633   Pacific Lutheran
088   --   C   --   0.633   UW-Whitewater
089   --   C   --   0.632   Skidmore
090   --   C   --   0.631   Grinnell
091   --   A   --   0.631   Northwestern (Minn.)
092   --   C   --   0.630   Mount St. Mary
093   --   C   --   0.630   Bowdoin
094   --   C   --   0.630   Brandeis
095   --   C   --   0.630   Trinity (Conn.)
096   --   C   --   0.629   St. Olaf
097   --   A   --   0.629   Luther
098   --   C   --   0.629   UW-Superior
099   --   C   --   0.628   Richard Stockton
100   --   C   --   0.627   UW-La Crosse


By in-region RPI:

001   --   A   --   0.671   --   Williams
002   --   B   --   0.640   --   Chapman
003   --   A   --   0.630   --   UW-Stevens Point
004   --   C   --   0.624   --   Middlebury
005   --   A   --   0.622   --   WPI
006   --   C   --   0.621   --   Rhode Island College
007   --   C   --   0.620   --   UW-River Falls
008   --   C   --   0.620   --   Randolph-Macon
009   --   A   --   0.618   --   Whitworth
010   --   A   --   0.618   --   St. Thomas
011   --   A   --   0.614   --   Ithaca
012   --   A   --   0.609   --   Augustana
013   --   A   --   0.608   --   Becker
014   --   A   --   0.606   --   Concordia (Wis.)
015   --   A   --   0.606   --   Western Connecticut
016   --   A   --   0.601   --   Virginia Wesleyan
017   --   A   --   0.600   --   Montclair State
018   --   A   --   0.598   --   Hope
019   --   C   --   0.597   --   Carleton
020   --   A   --   0.597   --   Wooster
021   --   C   --   0.591   --   Hobart
022   --   C   --   0.590   --   Trinity (Conn.)
023   --   A   --   0.590   --   Oswego State
024   --   C   --   0.589   --   Ramapo
025   --   C   --   0.588   --   Bowdoin
026   --   C   --   0.588   --   Washington U.
027   --   C   --   0.585   --   Hamline
028   --   A   --   0.585   --   La Roche
029   --   A   --   0.584   --   Cabrini
030   --   C   --   0.583   --   Lewis and Clark
031   --   C   --   0.583   --   North Central (Ill.)
032   --   C   --   0.582   --   UW-Platteville
033   --   C   --   0.582   --   Hanover
034   --   C   --   0.582   --   Texas-Dallas
035   --   A   --   0.581   --   Thiel
036   --   A   --   0.579   --   North Carolina Wesleyan
037   --   C   --   0.579   --   Whitman
038   --   C   --   0.578   --   Stevens
039   --   A   --   0.577   --   Rochester
040   --   A   --   0.575   --   St. Marys (Md.)
041   --   C   --   0.575   --   Wittenberg
042   --   C   --   0.575   --   Gwynedd-Mercy
043   --   C   --   0.572   --   Kean
044   --   C   --   0.572   --   Illinois Wesleyan
045   --   A   --   0.572   --   SUNY-Purchase
046   --   A   --   0.571   --   RPI
047   --   A   --   0.570   --   Manchester
048   --   C   --   0.570   --   Anderson
049   --   C   --   0.569   --   New Jersey City
050   --   C   --   0.568   --   Wesley
051   --   C   --   0.568   --   Elms
052   --   C   --   0.568   --   Keystone
053   --   C   --   0.567   --   Wabash
054   --   C   --   0.566   --   Amherst
055   --   A   --   0.566   --   DeSales
056   --   C   --   0.566   --   UW-Superior
057   --   C   --   0.565   --   Richard Stockton
058   --   C   --   0.564   --   Eastern Mennonite
059   --   C   --   0.564   --   Wheaton (Ill.)
060   --   C   --   0.563   --   Penn State-Behrend
061   --   C   --   0.563   --   Maryville (Tenn.)
062   --   C   --   0.563   --   UW-Whitewater
063   --   C   --   0.563   --   Gustavus Adolphus
064   --   A   --   0.562   --   McMurry
065   --   C   --   0.562   --   Pacific Lutheran
066   --   C   --   0.562   --   St. Johns
067   --   C   --   0.561   --   Bethany
068   --   C   --   0.561   --   Ohio Wesleyan
069   --   A   --   0.560   --   Marietta
070   --   C   --   0.560   --   Buffalo State
071   --   C   --   0.559   --   Messiah
072   --   C   --   0.558   --   John Carroll
073   --   C   --   0.558   --   UW-La Crosse
074   --   C   --   0.556   --   Nazareth
075   --   C   --   0.556   --   Guilford
076   --   C   --   0.555   --   Lebanon Valley
077   --   A   --   0.555   --   Centre
078   --   C   --   0.555   --   Ferrum
079   --   C   --   0.554   --   Plattsburgh State
080   --   C   --   0.554   --   Augsburg
081   --   C   --   0.554   --   Skidmore
082   --   C   --   0.553   --   Carthage
083   --   C   --   0.553   --   St. Josephs (L.I.)
084   --   C   --   0.553   --   Calvin
085   --   A   --   0.553   --   Franklin and Marshall
086   --   C   --   0.552   --   Salisbury
087   --   C   --   0.552   --   Rutgers-Newark
088   --   C   --   0.551   --   Mary Hardin-Baylor
089   --   C   --   0.551   --   Misericordia
090   --   C   --   0.551   --   Edgewood
091   --   C   --   0.551   --   Hamilton
092   --   C   --   0.550   --   Randolph
093   --   C   --   0.550   --   Olivet
094   --   C   --   0.550   --   Eastern Connecticut
095   --   A   --   0.549   --   St. Norbert
096   --   A   --   0.548   --   Luther
097   --   C   --   0.547   --   Bridgewater State
098   --   A   --   0.547   --   Alvernia
099   --   C   --   0.547   --   Elizabethtown
100   --   C   --   0.547   --   Emory


By Winning Percentage:

001   --   A   --   0.962   --   Whitworth
002   --   A   --   0.957   --   Williams
003   --   C   --   0.952   --   Middlebury
004   --   B   --   0.933   --   Chapman
005   --   A   --   0.917   --   La Roche
006   --   C   --   0.917   --   Penn State-Behrend
007   --   A   --   0.913   --   Concordia (Wis.)
008   --   A   --   0.913   --   Wooster
009   --   C   --   0.913   --   Amherst
010   --   A   --   0.889   --   Hope
011   --   A   --   0.885   --   Oswego State
012   --   A   --   0.880   --   UW-Stevens Point
013   --   A   --   0.880   --   Becker
014   --   A   --   0.875   --   WPI
015   --   A   --   0.875   --   St. Thomas
016   --   A   --   0.875   --   Augustana
017   --   A   --   0.875   --   Marietta
018   --   A   --   0.870   --   Virginia Wesleyan
019   --   A   --   0.864   --   Rochester
020   --   A   --   0.864   --   St. Marys (Md.)
021   --   A   --   0.850   --   Thiel
022   --   A   --   0.846   --   SUNY-Purchase
023   --   C   --   0.833   --   Randolph-Macon
024   --   A   --   0.833   --   Western Connecticut
025   --   C   --   0.833   --   Gwynedd-Mercy
026   --   C   --   0.826   --   Ramapo
027   --   C   --   0.826   --   Texas-Dallas
028   --   C   --   0.826   --   Ferrum
029   --   A   --   0.808   --   Cabrini
030   --   C   --   0.800   --   St. Josephs (L.I.)
031   --   C   --   0.800   --   Medaille
032   --   A   --   0.792   --   Ithaca
033   --   C   --   0.792   --   Hobart
034   --   C   --   0.792   --   Wabash
035   --   C   --   0.789   --   Eastern Mennonite
036   --   C   --   0.783   --   UW-River Falls
037   --   C   --   0.783   --   Carleton
038   --   A   --   0.783   --   Manchester
039   --   A   --   0.783   --   Franklin and Marshall
040   --   A   --   0.783   --   St. Norbert
041   --   C   --   0.783   --   Emory
042   --   A   --   0.783   --   Scranton
043   --   A   --   0.783   --   Husson
044   --   A   --   0.778   --   North Carolina Wesleyan
045   --   C   --   0.778   --   Keystone
046   --   C   --   0.773   --   Wesley
047   --   A   --   0.769   --   St. Josephs (Maine)
048   --   A   --   0.769   --   Salem State
049   --   A   --   0.769   --   Northwestern (Minn.)
050   --   A   --   0.762   --   Centre
051   --   C   --   0.760   --   Stevens
052   --   C   --   0.760   --   Mary Hardin-Baylor
053   --   C   --   0.750   --   Wittenberg
054   --   C   --   0.750   --   Lebanon Valley
055   --   C   --   0.750   --   Benedictine
056   --   A   --   0.750   --   Webster
057   --   C   --   0.741   --   Bethany
058   --   C   --   0.739   --   Hanover
059   --   C   --   0.739   --   Kean
060   --   A   --   0.739   --   McMurry
061   --   C   --   0.737   --   Whitman
062   --   C   --   0.727   --   Elms
063   --   C   --   0.727   --   Buffalo State
064   --   C   --   0.727   --   Plattsburgh State
065   --   A   --   0.727   --   Alvernia
066   --   C   --   0.722   --   Minnesota-Morris
067   --   C   --   0.720   --   Milwaukee Engineering
068   --   C   --   0.720   --   Johnson and Wales
069   --   C   --   0.714   --   Grinnell
070   --   C   --   0.714   --   Westminster (Mo.)
071   --   C   --   0.714   --   Rust
072   --   C   --   0.708   --   Rhode Island College
073   --   C   --   0.708   --   Illinois Wesleyan
074   --   A   --   0.708   --   DeSales
075   --   C   --   0.708   --   Rutgers-Newark
076   --   C   --   0.708   --   Edgewood
077   --   C   --   0.708   --   MIT
078   --   C   --   0.708   --   Wentworth
079   --   C   --   0.706   --   Calvin
080   --   C   --   0.696   --   Eastern Connecticut
081   --   A   --   0.682   --   RPI
082   --   C   --   0.682   --   Anderson
083   --   C   --   0.682   --   Catholic
084   --   C   --   0.682   --   Coe
085   --   C   --   0.680   --   John Carroll
086   --   A   --   0.680   --   Luther
087   --   C   --   0.680   --   Bridgewater State
088   --   C   --   0.680   --   Mount St. Mary
089   --   A   --   0.667   --   Montclair State
090   --   C   --   0.667   --   Lewis and Clark
091   --   C   --   0.667   --   New Jersey City
092   --   C   --   0.667   --   Skidmore
093   --   C   --   0.667   --   Brandeis
094   --   C   --   0.667   --   Christopher Newport
095   --   C   --   0.667   --   East Texas Baptist
096   --   C   --   0.667   --   Illinois College
097   --   C   --   0.667   --   DePauw
098   --   A   --   0.667   --   Staten Island
099   --   C   --   0.667   --   St. Vincent
100   --   C   --   0.667   --   Baruch


Let me know if you want different info or for this to be presented differently.

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R-MC up 68-42 with under a minute remaining so I'm declaring them a winner.  Them, along with St. Thomas holding on might have just saved Wabash/Eastern Mennonite/Carleton's season.

carletonsid

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Does anyone know when the final regional rankings come out today??? ???

We don't know for sure that they do.
I don't think they will be out until tomorrow after the brackets are announced... they aren't announcing who is in or out tonight... releasing the regional rankings would essentially give the same info away.

But... the Handbook does say the rankings will be released today, FWIW

Since when has any NCAA sport committee followed what's written in the handbook? :P
That post makes you eligible for a change in identity as part of a witness protection and relocation program.   ;)

Thanks for the laugh on this stressful bubble-watch Sunday! If I could +k I would.  ;D

I coach women's golf here at Carleton as well and I make similar complaints in that sport, so I'm likely already on the NCAA's blacklist. Heck, at least men's basketball has a handbook--I ran two NCAA Swimming Championships without one in 2006! The NCAA never got around to making the edits submitted by the committee.