Pool C

[KnightSlappy]

I have my first set of 'regional rankings' up on my blog.

http://tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com/2011/12/reginal-rankings-1252011.html

I'm doing things are pretty much the same as last year.

[sac]

I have my first set of 'regional rankings' up on my blog.

http://tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com/2011/12/reginal-rankings-1252011.html

I'm doing things are pretty much the same as last year.

I'm not optimistic about Olivet's Pool C chances. 

[Ralph Turner]

Are you going to award a Pool A designation to the highest ranked ASC team, in this case HSU?

Thanks.

[Mr. Ypsi]

I have my first set of 'regional rankings' up on my blog.

http://tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com/2011/12/reginal-rankings-1252011.html

I'm doing things are pretty much the same as last year.

I'm not optimistic about Olivet's Pool C chances. 

Yeah, Millikin seems a bit south of the bubble as well.

I applaud the 'Dean of Knightslappy U' for his efforts, but Pool C talk 3 weeks before Christmas?!

[John Gleich]

I have my first set of 'regional rankings' up on my blog.

http://tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com/2011/12/reginal-rankings-1252011.html

I'm doing things are pretty much the same as last year.

I see one mistake... but it looks like it's just the schedule that's wrong.  UWSP is reported as being 4-1 in-region, but they're actually 3-1.  The game against York (PA) is showing on the schedule as in-region and it should not be.

I figure there may be a list of games like these... so rather than report them individually, it might be better to do them all at once.

[KnightSlappy]

I think Pat usually goes through the schedules around christmastime doing error checking. I find a few things on my own, but I won't see everything. But yeah, I get the data from the mothership, so if its wrong here, it'll be wrong in my data.

[KnightSlappy]

Are you going to award a Pool A designation to the highest ranked ASC team, in this case HSU?

Thanks.

Actually, my Pool A currently goes to Texas Lutheran who has the best RPI when counting all games versus D3. Slightly edging out Texas-Dallas.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

I actually checked that game ahead of time... and removed the "region" part of the game... someone either added it by mistake or it was added in some other fashion. We will try and get it resolved soon (if it isn't already).

[ronk]

  It's about time to activate my suggestion from last year to have NCAA regional committees publish their schedule of in and out-of-region games before they rank teams so that we can authenticate their status; as a reminder, the Scranton women's team was ranked higher and the men's team lower because of incorrect regional games; it affected not only them but also the teams they played and the teams above and below them in the regional rankings.

[magicman]

  It's about time to activate my suggestion from last year to have NCAA regional committees publish their schedule of in and out-of-region games before they rank teams so that we can authenticate their status; as a reminder, the Scranton women's team was ranked higher and the men's team lower because of incorrect regional games; it affected not only them but also the teams they played and the teams above and below them in the regional rankings.

Good suggestion Ronk. I've thought the same thing and believe Pat brought this up in an article either last year or 2 years ago. He  pointed out all the mistakes he'd found and hadn't even finished going through all the regions at the time he wrote the article. With all the eyes that would peruse an NCAA published schedule checking for errors, I have to believe that once we were finished it would be the most correct set of regional rankings, that the NCAA has ever had I just don't think it will happen though. I think, the NCAA thinks, they can do the job correctly and they need no help from the minions on the D3hoops website. Too bad because it's excellent help and it's free.     

[KnightSlappy]

I think they're probably afraid of that much transparency because they know there will be a lot of mistakes. They'd rather be wrong than embarrassed.

[hopefan]

could someone give an elementary primer that I can reference as to what goes into the Regional rankings... it's been several years since I got involved, I may play with it this year, but need a refresher... slappy, magic, whover... thanks

[KnightSlappy]

could someone give an elementary primer that I can reference as to what goes into the Regional rankings... it's been several years since I got involved, I may play with it this year, but need a refresher... slappy, magic, whover... thanks

The regional ranking process uses the same criteria as tournament selection.

http://www.d3hoops.com/interactive/faq/ncaatournament#seed

I always use the d3hoops FAQ (linked above) when I need to review primary/secondary criteria. We don't yet have the handbook for '11-12, so I'm assuming it's the same as it was last year for now.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

FYI - the committee isn't afraid of transparency. I have many a conversation with committee members and they agree transparency is a good thing because ultimately it helps them make better decisions especially when based on corrected or correct information (versus being given bad information).

That being said, each region is responsible to make sure regional games are accounted for correctly. However, there are still people on regional committees along with many other coaches who simply do not know or care to update themselves on exactly what are regional games. This is sadly a fact. Whether it is simple ignorance or just an inability to stay on top of things, I don't know, but many times mistakes are coming from the actual regional committees.

Now, the other problem could be the NCAA. They tend to make the decisions on what can be or won't be released to the public. If the NCAA agrees to release data ahead of time and during the season for double-checking, they will. If they feel it is something they rather not do, they won't. Also, I know they have struggled in the past to get the information into a place where it is easy to be checked. That has changed and I know the system they use, but they probably aren't going to release that to the general public. Also, it comes back to coaches and such to make sure their regions and their games are accounted correctly.

[KnightSlappy]

New 'regional rankings' posted to the blog:

http://tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com/2011/12/regional-rankings-12122012.html

Midwest region appears interesting with lots of teams from non-power conferences near the top.