Pool C

[Titan Q]

My Pool C's...

1. Middlebury
2. UW-Whitewater
3. Mary Hardin-Baylor
4. Wittenberg
5. Rhode Island
6. Western Connecticut
7. Wheaton
8. UW-Stevens Point
9. Transylvania
10. Hartwick
11. Wesleyan
12. WPI
13. Ohio Wesleyan
14. Randolph-Macon
15. Lake Forest*
16. Keene State
17. Birmingham-Southern
18. St. Mary's
19. Illinois Wesleyan*

* I did this projection based on Lake Forest being ranked higher in the final Midwest ranking...but I could see this going either way.  I think there is a good chance IWU will be ranked higher.

I had 4 in that did not get in - Wesleyan, WPI, Lake Forest, Keene State.

The 4 that made it instead were - St. Joseph's (LI), Hobart, NYU, and Gustavus Adolphus.

(Obviously IWU ended up higher than Lake Forest in the final Midwest ranking.)

[Titan Q]

My final selections:

http://tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com/2012/02/final-bracketology.html

Pool C's:

Middlebury
Mary Hardin-Baylor
Rhode Island College
UW-Whitewater
Hartwick
Transylvania
Western Connecticut
Wheaton (Ill.)
UW-Stevens Point
WPI
Wittenberg
Hobart
St. Josephs (L.I.)
Lake Forest
Randolph-Macon
Keene State
St. Marys (Md.)
Wesleyan
Ohio Wesleyan

KnightSlappy had the exact same 4 off as I did - WPI, Lake Forest, Keene State, Wesleyan.

Replaced by - Illinois Wesleyan, Gustavus Adolphus, NYU, and Birmingham-Southern

[Titan Q]

Not done with the bracketing portion but done with the selections:

http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2012/02/27/our-2012-mens-projections/

Middlebury
UW-Whitewater
Rhode Island College
Wheaton (Ill.)
Western Connecticut
UW-Stevens Point
Mary Hardin-Baylor
Wittenberg
Gustavus Adolphus
Transylvania
Hobart
Hartwick
WPI
Ohio Wesleyan
Illinois Wesleyan
Keene State
Randolph-Macon
St. Mary's (Md.)
Birmingham-Southern

Pat missed just 2 (I guess that is why he runs the site) - WPI and Keene State.

Replaced by - NYU and St. Joseph's (LI).

[Titan Q]

WPI has to be the biggest surprise ommission...followed by Keene State. 

In the NE, after Middlebury, Rhode Island, and Western Connecticut got in, either Wesleyan or WPI (do we know who was ranked higher?) sat on the board the rest of the process.

Seems like NYU has to be the biggest surprise to get in.

[magicman]

Titan Q drank enough of the green kool-aid to get his IWU team into the dance, despite all the nay-sayers that didn't think they would get a bid. Good job by Q, KnightSlappy and the Guru.

[ziggy]

My only conclusion in all this is that the Committee doesn't know how to judge differences in SOS versus WP. It's easy to have a feel for what the difference in a .725 and .800 WP means but they don't seem to have a clue that a .585 SOS is ridiculously superior to a .510 SOS.

[Titan Q]

Titan Q drank enough of the green kool-aid to get his IWU team into the dance, despite all the nay-sayers that didn't think they would get a bid. Good job by Q, KnightSlappy and the Guru.

The kool-aid helped me put the Titans in on my board...but so did SOS, results vs regionally ranked, and secondary criteria (wins @ Staten Island, vs Bethany).  IWU had a very strong resume outside of winning %. 

Not that we know IWU hit the board in the Midwest right after Wheaton and Transylvania (ahead of Lake Forest), I'd guess IWU got in around #16 or so.

It was certainly fun doing the selection projections.

[smedindy]

Maybe the committee has seen that how they calculate their version of SOS isn't really much of an SOS at all...

[KnightSlappy]

So NYU   -- .800 WP -- .494 SOS -- 2-2 -- beats out
Wesleyan -- .800 WP -- .513 SOS -- 3-3

and

IWU -- .708 WP -- .540 SOS -- 3-6 -- beats out
WPI -- .720 WP -- .585 SOS -- 3-3

[smedindy]

Massey has NYU 29th power with 87th SOS, vs. Wesleyan with 38th power and 110th SOS and WPI with 62nd power and 95th SOS.

Of course, that's not the criteria, and St. Joe's was 103rd power and 300th SOS. That's the rub there.

[ziggy]

So NYU   -- .800 WP -- .494 SOS -- 2-2 beats out
Wesleyan -- .800 WP -- .513 SOS -- 3-3

Only if .019 in SOS points is enough to go to secondary criteria. My guess is that when viewed as a percentile it may not be but when the committee looks at it they gave it a "close enough" and went to secondary.

[smedindy]

IWU was 17th in Massey power and 10th in SOS. I think the committee got that one right.

[Mr. Ypsi]

IWU was 17th in Massey power and 10th in SOS. I think the committee got that one right.

I also think a huge factor was their secondary criteria road wins against Staten Island and Bethany, both pool A teams.

[ziggy]

IWU was 17th in Massey power and 10th in SOS. I think the committee got that one right.

I also think a huge factor was their secondary criteria road wins against Staten Island and Bethany, both pool A teams.

But looking at IWU against WPI, how do you even get to the secondary criteria? It's indefensible!

[Greek Tragedy]

Maybe the committee has seen that how they calculate their version of SOS isn't really much of an SOS at all...

Maybe their SOS is a sign for, "HELP!  We don't know what we're doing!" 

After all the back and forth with knightslappy, and looking at the numbers, I was finally convinced Keene State would get in! LOL!  Oh well...I told ya they wouldn't! LOL (admittedly they got robbed).