Pool C

[Titan Q]

I'm told the committee looks for secondary criteria for every team in those final 5 rounds or so.

[ziggy]

I'm told the committee looks for secondary criteria for every team in those final 5 rounds or so.

Ah yes, disregard or change your published process. That actually explains a lot.

[Titan Q]

But looking at IWU against WPI, how do you even get to the secondary criteria? It's indefensible!

Do we know for sure that WPI was ever on the board?

(NE) Wesleyan: 20-5 (.800), .515, 3-3
(NE) WPI: 18-7 (.720), .586, 3-3

Is it possible that the NE had Wesleyan higher, and Wesleyan blocked WPI?

Are we getting final regional rankings?

[KnightSlappy]

But looking at IWU against WPI, how do you even get to the secondary criteria? It's indefensible!

Do we know for sure that WPI was ever on the board?

(NE) Wesleyan: 20-5 (.800), .515, 3-3
(NE) WPI: 18-7 (.720), .586, 3-3

Is it possible that the NE had Wesleyan higher, and Wesleyan blocked WPI?

Are we getting final regional rankings?

As of the last RR, WPI was #7 and Wesleyan was #8, I think they both played one game and lost.

[ziggy]

But looking at IWU against WPI, how do you even get to the secondary criteria? It's indefensible!

Do we know for sure that WPI was ever on the board?

(NE) Wesleyan: 20-5 (.800), .515, 3-3
(NE) WPI: 18-7 (.720), .586, 3-3

Is it possible that the NE had Wesleyan higher, and Wesleyan blocked WPI?

Are we getting final regional rankings?

WPI was ahead of Wesleyan last week, both went 0-1 after last rankings were released. Wesleyan must have jumped them somehow, but that is questionable in and of itself.

[smedindy]

I bet Wesleyan blocked WPI.

This reminds me of Case not getting into the football playoffs with a 9-0 regional record and SJF made it into the playoffs with two losses. The East committee probably bypassed Endicott to get SJF on the table.

[Titan Q]

I'm told the committee looks for secondary criteria for every team in those final 5 rounds or so.

Ah yes, disregard or change your published process. That actually explains a lot.

The handbook says...

"If the evaluation of the primary criteria does not result in a decision, the secondary criteria will be reviewed."

At that stage of the process (the final rounds), isn't it fair to say that there is always some type of debate using just primary criteria?  I don't think using secondary criteria late is disregarding the published process.

[ziggy]

I'm told the committee looks for secondary criteria for every team in those final 5 rounds or so.

Ah yes, disregard or change your published process. That actually explains a lot.

The handbook says...

"If the evaluation of the primary criteria does not result in a decision, the secondary criteria will be reviewed."

At that stage of the process (the final rounds), isn't it fair to say that there is always some type of debate using just primary criteria?  I don't think using secondary criteria late is disregarding the published process.

Not by default, no.

[KnightSlappy]

I'm told the committee looks for secondary criteria for every team in those final 5 rounds or so.

Ah yes, disregard or change your published process. That actually explains a lot.

The handbook says...

"If the evaluation of the primary criteria does not result in a decision, the secondary criteria will be reviewed."

At that stage of the process (the final rounds), isn't it fair to say that there is always some type of debate using just primary criteria?  I don't think using secondary criteria late is disregarding the published process.

I think ziggy's point was that an IWU-WPI decision shouldn't need secondary criteria to result in a decision. IMO, WPI had a clear primary advantage.

[sac]

Wesleyan lost to Middlebury

WPI lost to Springfield.

maybe this was enough to change their regional position.  ? ? ?

[smedindy]

Besides, if they were just using rote criteria, there wouldn't be the need for a committee. A functional technocrat would just follow the letter of the criteria, and not try to make it the best tournament possible.

The nature of this wacky season left some teams on the sidelines in the "C" round, but as always, the best thing you can do is avoid "C" entirely. Otherwise, you let yourself open to these decisions.

The only one I'm kind of floored by is St. Joseph's getting in. Pick your alternate "C"  candidate and I bet they beat St. Joseph's seven out of ten. Alas...

[KnightSlappy]

Wesleyan lost to Middlebury

WPI lost to Springfield.

maybe this was enough to change their regional position.  ? ? ?

I think that can be the only explanation, that WPI got blocked, and they didn't think Wesleyan should get in.

[Titan Q]

WPI was ahead of Wesleyan last week, both went 0-1 after last rankings were released. Wesleyan must have jumped them somehow, but that is questionable in and of itself.

I actually had Wesleyan ahead of WPI - I can't remember all that went into my thinking there.  But I do think it is very possible the NE did the same, but unlike me, the national committee did not every select Wesleyan.

Round 11
St. Joseph's (LI): 21-3 (.875), .470, 0-2
(E) Hobart: 21-5 (.808), .520, 1-1
(GL) Ohio Wesleyan: 19-7 (.731), .551, 3-6
(MA) St. Mary's: 17-6 (.739), .557, 1-3
(MW) Lake Forest: 19-4 (.826), .516, 0-1
(NE) Wesleyan: 20-5 (.800), .515, 3-3 ***
(S) Randolph-Macon: 18-5 (.783), .515, 3-2
(W) Gustavus Adolphus: 19-7 (.731), .526, 2-2

Round 12
(Atl) St. Joseph's (LI): 21-3 (.875), .470, 0-2
(E) Hobart: 21-5 (.808), .520, 1-1
(GL) Ohio Wesleyan: 19-7 (.731), .551, 3-6
(MA) St. Mary's: 17-6 (.739), .557, 1-3
(MW) Lake Forest: 19-4 (.826), .516, 0-1
(NE) WPI: 18-7 (.720), .586, 3-3 ***
(S) Randolph-Macon: 18-5 (.783), .515, 3-2
(W) Gustavus Adolphus: 19-7 (.731), .526, 2-2

[Titan Q]

Wesleyan lost to Middlebury

WPI lost to Springfield.

maybe this was enough to change their regional position.  ? ? ?

Which is what happened in the Midwest - IWU lost to Wheaton, while Lake Forest lost to Carroll.

[ziggy]

Wesleyan lost to Middlebury

WPI lost to Springfield.

maybe this was enough to change their regional position.  ? ? ?

I think that can be the only explanation, that WPI got blocked, and they didn't think Wesleyan should get in.

And I'll argue it's an explanation that is just as poor as WPI not being in the field. A .720 WP is one that generally passes the eyeball test and their SOS is what, top 5 percentile?