Pool C

[Mr. Ypsi]

As you can see, HCAC, NCAC, and OAC all currently schedule more regional games than the average D3 teams does. Do they have room in their schedule to accept calls from the MIAA? Do they want to drive past those other Ohio and Indiana schools to head up to Michigan with regularity?

Obviously the MIAA teams are not without blame either. Many, many of us would like to see more D3 games scheduled.

Non-Calvin or Hope MIAA teams averaged 19.3 games, with a max of 21.

I don't know if the NCAA would be willing to do 'special exceptions' (but they did regularly waive the rules for NebWes), but the simplest solution would be that MIAA games against Chicago area schools are in-region.

[David Collinge]

I wonder if anyone has considered that the whole "regional philosophy" is corrupted by allowing the UAA schools to count their conference games as in-region. (To a lesser extent the old SCAC, too.) I mean, if the NCAA is really that adamant about forcing regional competition to keep the kids close to the classroom, then why do they sanction the ridiculous (and regionally unnecessary, lots of D3 competition near each UAA member's campus) travel schedule of these 8 schools? And these particular 8 schools are all in the top 5% of D3 in terms of "need to stay close to campus for lectures and labs and study time." The UAA schools have every right to band together and form a conference and schedule however they like, but that doesn't mean that the NCAA has to bless that decision. If in-region competition really matters that much, the the UAA should not have an automatic bid.

This is not an anti-UAA rant, by the way, in case you can't tell. I love the UAA.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Also, per Hope... they can solve that easily. I have been frustrated with their schedule for years... and the reasons giving for why they can't get more D3 opponents is hard to keep listening to... when their women's team seems to get plenty of opponents in non-conference action, each year. Some of these schools need to buck up and figure it out... and not hide behind reasons that just sound more hollow then usual.

Really......12 years of having their coach in an interview on your radio show answering the same  questions discussing regional games and you still just don't get it.

I had their coach on this year and asked the same question... BECAUSE the women seem to have no problems with scheduling and they are just as good as the men... so I am curious... after 12 years... why their scheduling as not improved. Now, there did seem to be signs of heading in the direction of more D3 games in the years to come... and that was great to hear.

I understand the excuse that opponents won't schedule them and won't come to Hope... but I think that just doesn't hold water when the women's team certainly seems to have less problems.

As for the Goucher scheduling... chalk that up to a trip to Puerto Rico when they played one game that could count on the schedule... and a number of "scrimmages." Not sure why... not going to figure it out... but it certainly needs to improve!

[Ralph Turner]

I do not see that the UAA is corrupting the regional philosophy. Earlier on this board, we had an exhaustive discussion about the "regional-ness" of NYU's non-conference schedule.  If they had done what they needed to do against WashU this season, then they would have been the Pool A bid from the UAA, despite going 11-0 in their region.

For me, the "glue" to D-III usually has a high percentage of UAA games in the mix.

[sac]

Also, per Hope... they can solve that easily. I have been frustrated with their schedule for years... and the reasons giving for why they can't get more D3 opponents is hard to keep listening to... when their women's team seems to get plenty of opponents in non-conference action, each year. Some of these schools need to buck up and figure it out... and not hide behind reasons that just sound more hollow then usual.

Really......12 years of having their coach in an interview on your radio show answering the same  questions discussing regional games and you still just don't get it.

I had their coach on this year and asked the same question... BECAUSE the women seem to have no problems with scheduling and they are just as good as the men... so I am curious... after 12 years... why their scheduling as not improved. Now, there did seem to be signs of heading in the direction of more D3 games in the years to come... and that was great to hear.

I understand the excuse that opponents won't schedule them and won't come to Hope... but I think that just doesn't hold water when the women's team certainly seems to have less problems.

As for the Goucher scheduling... chalk that up to a trip to Puerto Rico when they played one game that could count on the schedule... and a number of "scrimmages." Not sure why... not going to figure it out... but it certainly needs to improve!

Do you really think scheduling men's and women's games is the same?  Does it occur to you the women have an extra 2 MIAA games built in because their half of the MIAA is one school larger.  You still don't get its an MIAA problem, not just a Hope problem.  STILL after all this time you refuse to listen to anything anybody tells you, whether its me, administrators or the coaches who have given you the same exact answers in every interview you've done.  KS just put a nice chart up there with the avg. MIAA in-region games yet you appear to have ignored it completely.


Here's some math for you..........$5, $7, $10 x 3,000+, then factor in whatever % you want for concessions.

Then again, please tell us scheduling men's and women's games for Hope is the same.

[Ralph Turner]

As you can see, HCAC, NCAC, and OAC all currently schedule more regional games than the average D3 teams does. Do they have room in their schedule to accept calls from the MIAA? Do they want to drive past those other Ohio and Indiana schools to head up to Michigan with regularity?

Obviously the MIAA teams are not without blame either. Many, many of us would like to see more D3 games scheduled.

Non-Calvin or Hope MIAA teams averaged 19.3 games, with a max of 21.

I don't know if the NCAA would be willing to do 'special exceptions' (but they did regularly waive the rules for NebWes), but the simplest solution would be that MIAA games against Chicago area schools are in-region.

I think that we had made a very strong case for D-III to adopt the "adjacent state" rule.

Where else can the NCAA find a focus group of sophisticated users than on these boards?  I think that we have fleshed out this problem very well and proposed a solution with which the NCAA is familiar.

These are systemic problems of geography.  Michigan and upstate New York have one problem. The west coast, Texas and the deep South have another one.

[smedindy]

Also, per Hope... they can solve that easily. I have been frustrated with their schedule for years... and the reasons giving for why they can't get more D3 opponents is hard to keep listening to... when their women's team seems to get plenty of opponents in non-conference action, each year. Some of these schools need to buck up and figure it out... and not hide behind reasons that just sound more hollow then usual.

Really......12 years of having their coach in an interview on your radio show answering the same  questions discussing regional games and you still just don't get it.

I had their coach on this year and asked the same question... BECAUSE the women seem to have no problems with scheduling and they are just as good as the men... so I am curious... after 12 years... why their scheduling as not improved. Now, there did seem to be signs of heading in the direction of more D3 games in the years to come... and that was great to hear.

I understand the excuse that opponents won't schedule them and won't come to Hope... but I think that just doesn't hold water when the women's team certainly seems to have less problems.

As for the Goucher scheduling... chalk that up to a trip to Puerto Rico when they played one game that could count on the schedule... and a number of "scrimmages." Not sure why... not going to figure it out... but it certainly needs to improve!

Do you really think scheduling men's and women's games is the same?  Does it occur to you the women have an extra 2 MIAA games built in because their half of the MIAA is one school larger.  You still don't get its an MIAA problem, not just a Hope problem.  STILL after all this time you refuse to listen to anything anybody tells you, whether its me, administrators or the coaches who have given you the same exact answers in every interview you've done.  KS just put a nice chart up there with the avg. MIAA in-region games yet you appear to have ignored it completely.


Here's some math for you..........$5, $7, $10 x 3,000+, then factor in whatever % you want for concessions.

Then again, please tell us scheduling men's and women's games for Hope is the same.

Why don't the go the home-and-home route? I don't like it when teams don't have a split of home / road unless they have special circumstances. And no, a shiny gym isn't a special circumstance. Are teams not willing to do their road half of a home-and-home?

My bile is pointed more toward the D-1 power conferences, especially in football (but basketball is almost as ridiculous) but if Hope is holding out for home games then that may be the rub.

I ask because I don't know if that's what hope is doing. But they do have extra home games this year (12 home vs. 10 road and one of those roadies was a tourney).

[smedindy]

As you can see, HCAC, NCAC, and OAC all currently schedule more regional games than the average D3 teams does. Do they have room in their schedule to accept calls from the MIAA? Do they want to drive past those other Ohio and Indiana schools to head up to Michigan with regularity?

Obviously the MIAA teams are not without blame either. Many, many of us would like to see more D3 games scheduled.

Non-Calvin or Hope MIAA teams averaged 19.3 games, with a max of 21.

I don't know if the NCAA would be willing to do 'special exceptions' (but they did regularly waive the rules for NebWes), but the simplest solution would be that MIAA games against Chicago area schools are in-region.

I think that we had made a very strong case for D-III to adopt the "adjacent state" rule.

Where else can the NCAA find a focus group of sophisticated users than on these boards?  I think that we have fleshed out this problem very well and proposed a solution with which the NCAA is familiar.

These are systemic problems of geography.  Michigan and upstate New York have one problem. The west coast, Texas and the deep South have another one.

Illinois and Michigan aren't adjacent though, so that wouldn't help the MIAA play CCIW teams unless I read the adjacent state rule wrong.

[Gregory Sager]

As you can see, HCAC, NCAC, and OAC all currently schedule more regional games than the average D3 teams does. Do they have room in their schedule to accept calls from the MIAA? Do they want to drive past those other Ohio and Indiana schools to head up to Michigan with regularity?

Obviously the MIAA teams are not without blame either. Many, many of us would like to see more D3 games scheduled.

Non-Calvin or Hope MIAA teams averaged 19.3 games, with a max of 21.

I don't know if the NCAA would be willing to do 'special exceptions' (but they did regularly waive the rules for NebWes), but the simplest solution would be that MIAA games against Chicago area schools are in-region.

I think that we had made a very strong case for D-III to adopt the "adjacent state" rule.

Where else can the NCAA find a focus group of sophisticated users than on these boards?  I think that we have fleshed out this problem very well and proposed a solution with which the NCAA is familiar.

These are systemic problems of geography.  Michigan and upstate New York have one problem. The west coast, Texas and the deep South have another one.

Illinois and Michigan aren't adjacent though.

Yes, they are. They share a common border that runs through the middle of Lake Michigan. I'm serious. It's a governmentally-recognized state border.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Greg... having lived in Chicago... I was under the impression Illinois and Michigan share a border over Lake Michigan... is that not the case? According to maps I have read, they do have a border in that sense.

[Gregory Sager]

Greg... having lived in Chicago... I was under the impression Illinois and Michigan share a border over Lake Michigan... is that not the case? According to maps I have read, they do have a border in that sense.

Yes, as I just told smeds, Illinois and Michigan have an official border that runs thru the center of Lake Michigan.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Yeah, we'd have to see how the NCAA would write/interpret 'adjoining states'.  Michigan and Illinois do share a (very wet!) border, but by bus, Indiana might ruin everything!

[smedindy]

As you can see, HCAC, NCAC, and OAC all currently schedule more regional games than the average D3 teams does. Do they have room in their schedule to accept calls from the MIAA? Do they want to drive past those other Ohio and Indiana schools to head up to Michigan with regularity?

Obviously the MIAA teams are not without blame either. Many, many of us would like to see more D3 games scheduled.

Non-Calvin or Hope MIAA teams averaged 19.3 games, with a max of 21.

I don't know if the NCAA would be willing to do 'special exceptions' (but they did regularly waive the rules for NebWes), but the simplest solution would be that MIAA games against Chicago area schools are in-region.

I think that we had made a very strong case for D-III to adopt the "adjacent state" rule.

Where else can the NCAA find a focus group of sophisticated users than on these boards?  I think that we have fleshed out this problem very well and proposed a solution with which the NCAA is familiar.

These are systemic problems of geography.  Michigan and upstate New York have one problem. The west coast, Texas and the deep South have another one.

Illinois and Michigan aren't adjacent though.

Yes, they are. They share a common border that runs through the middle of Lake Michigan. I'm serious. It's a governmentally-recognized state border.

I do understand that - I don't know if the NCAA will consider it without the Mr. Ypsi Bridge To Nowhere being built.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Actually, in fact, an adjacent states rule (interpreted a certain way) would open up all of Wisconsin and Minnesota to the MIAA as well.  Wisconsin is obviously adjacent even aside from Lake Michigan (though how many MIAA teams would go to Wisconsin via the UP is doubtful!), and the UP and Minnesota share a border somewhere out in Lake Superior!

[Ralph Turner]

I was under the impression that the Upper Peninsula was more like another state.

If it weren't so darn cold up there, I understand that they would be doing the UP version of Swamp People for Reality Television.