Pool C

[kiltedbryan]

As you can see, HCAC, NCAC, and OAC all currently schedule more regional games than the average D3 teams does. Do they have room in their schedule to accept calls from the MIAA? Do they want to drive past those other Ohio and Indiana schools to head up to Michigan with regularity?

Obviously the MIAA teams are not without blame either. Many, many of us would like to see more D3 games scheduled.

Non-Calvin or Hope MIAA teams averaged 19.3 games, with a max of 21.

I don't know if the NCAA would be willing to do 'special exceptions' (but they did regularly waive the rules for NebWes), but the simplest solution would be that MIAA games against Chicago area schools are in-region.

I think that we had made a very strong case for D-III to adopt the "adjacent state" rule.

Where else can the NCAA find a focus group of sophisticated users than on these boards?  I think that we have fleshed out this problem very well and proposed a solution with which the NCAA is familiar.

These are systemic problems of geography.  Michigan and upstate New York have one problem. The west coast, Texas and the deep South have another one.

Illinois and Michigan aren't adjacent though.

Yes, they are. They share a common border that runs through the middle of Lake Michigan. I'm serious. It's a governmentally-recognized state border.

I do understand that - I don't know if the NCAA will consider it without the Mr. Ypsi Bridge To Nowhere being built.

It would be stunningly comical if the NCAA decided to use an adjoining states rule that ignored official state borders of the United States, just because those borders are water-based.

There are plenty of examples of adjacent states that don't share any actual land-land borders. Illinois, for one, shares a water-only border with Missouri, Iowa, and Kentucky in addition to Michigan.

[Ralph Turner]

Remember the Calvin-to-Wheaton ferry?

[Civic Minded]

Remember the Calvin-to-Wheaton ferry?

Now there's a flashback!  Not sure whether to thank you or not.   

[smedindy]

I was under the impression that the Upper Peninsula was more like another state.

If it weren't so darn cold up there, I understand that they would be doing the UP version of Swamp People for Reality Television.

Hey, the current and future love of my life is from the Yoooop!

[smedindy]

As you can see, HCAC, NCAC, and OAC all currently schedule more regional games than the average D3 teams does. Do they have room in their schedule to accept calls from the MIAA? Do they want to drive past those other Ohio and Indiana schools to head up to Michigan with regularity?

Obviously the MIAA teams are not without blame either. Many, many of us would like to see more D3 games scheduled.

Non-Calvin or Hope MIAA teams averaged 19.3 games, with a max of 21.

I don't know if the NCAA would be willing to do 'special exceptions' (but they did regularly waive the rules for NebWes), but the simplest solution would be that MIAA games against Chicago area schools are in-region.

I think that we had made a very strong case for D-III to adopt the "adjacent state" rule.

Where else can the NCAA find a focus group of sophisticated users than on these boards?  I think that we have fleshed out this problem very well and proposed a solution with which the NCAA is familiar.

These are systemic problems of geography.  Michigan and upstate New York have one problem. The west coast, Texas and the deep South have another one.

Illinois and Michigan aren't adjacent though.

Yes, they are. They share a common border that runs through the middle of Lake Michigan. I'm serious. It's a governmentally-recognized state border.

I do understand that - I don't know if the NCAA will consider it without the Mr. Ypsi Bridge To Nowhere being built.

It would be stunningly comical if the NCAA decided to use an adjoining states rule that ignored official state borders of the United States, just because those borders are water-based.

There are plenty of examples of adjacent states that don't share any actual land-land borders. Illinois, for one, shares a water-only border with Missouri, Iowa, and Kentucky in addition to Michigan.

Rivers seem more like border-like things than a dashed line drawn by cartographers in the middle of a lake.

I got nailed on a Sporcle quiz because I didn't realize Singapore didn't share a land border with Malaysia.

[diehardfan]

Remember the Calvin-to-Wheaton ferry?

Now there's a flashback!  Not sure whether to thank you or not.   

Haha, I just reminded Scott about this the other day! I stated on my FB page that I wanted to live somewhere where ferries were a normal part of daily life (I was vacationing in the Outer Banks), and one of my friends suggested I live in Michigan and work in Wisconsin. Hah.

[sac]

Remember the Calvin-to-Wheaton ferry?

Now there's a flashback!  Not sure whether to thank you or not.   

Haha, I just reminded Scott about this the other day! I stated on my FB page that I wanted to live somewhere where ferries were a normal part of daily life (I was vacationing in the Outer Banks), and one of my friends suggested I live in Michigan and work in Wisconsin. Hah.

Magic Ferry people, Magic!

[KnightSlappy]

Actually, in fact, an adjacent states rule (interpreted a certain way) would open up all of Wisconsin and Minnesota to the MIAA as well.  Wisconsin is obviously adjacent even aside from Lake Michigan (though how many MIAA teams would go to Wisconsin via the UP is doubtful!), and the UP and Minnesota share a border somewhere out in Lake Superior!

Divison 2 has this adjacent state rule, and there the NCAA counts Illinois, Wisc, and Minnesota for Michigan.

[Civic Minded]

Actually, in fact, an adjacent states rule (interpreted a certain way) would open up all of Wisconsin and Minnesota to the MIAA as well.  Wisconsin is obviously adjacent even aside from Lake Michigan (though how many MIAA teams would go to Wisconsin via the UP is doubtful!), and the UP and Minnesota share a border somewhere out in Lake Superior!

Divison 2 has this adjacent state rule, and there the NCAA counts Illinois, Wisc, and Minnesota for Michigan.

Excellent!  Now if I live long enough to see the change for D3...   

[smedindy]

Actually, in fact, an adjacent states rule (interpreted a certain way) would open up all of Wisconsin and Minnesota to the MIAA as well.  Wisconsin is obviously adjacent even aside from Lake Michigan (though how many MIAA teams would go to Wisconsin via the UP is doubtful!), and the UP and Minnesota share a border somewhere out in Lake Superior!

Divison 2 has this adjacent state rule, and there the NCAA counts Illinois, Wisc, and Minnesota for Michigan.

Maybe there's hope for them yet.

But if there were a college on Semisopochnoi Island, would they be in the northeast region?

[Pat Coleman]

Also, per Hope... they can solve that easily. I have been frustrated with their schedule for years... and the reasons giving for why they can't get more D3 opponents is hard to keep listening to... when their women's team seems to get plenty of opponents in non-conference action, each year. Some of these schools need to buck up and figure it out... and not hide behind reasons that just sound more hollow then usual.

Really......12 years of having their coach in an interview on your radio show answering the same  questions discussing regional games and you still just don't get it.

I had their coach on this year and asked the same question... BECAUSE the women seem to have no problems with scheduling and they are just as good as the men... so I am curious... after 12 years... why their scheduling as not improved. Now, there did seem to be signs of heading in the direction of more D3 games in the years to come... and that was great to hear.

I understand the excuse that opponents won't schedule them and won't come to Hope... but I think that just doesn't hold water when the women's team certainly seems to have less problems.

As for the Goucher scheduling... chalk that up to a trip to Puerto Rico when they played one game that could count on the schedule... and a number of "scrimmages." Not sure why... not going to figure it out... but it certainly needs to improve!

Do you really think scheduling men's and women's games is the same?  Does it occur to you the women have an extra 2 MIAA games built in because their half of the MIAA is one school larger.  You still don't get its an MIAA problem, not just a Hope problem.  STILL after all this time you refuse to listen to anything anybody tells you, whether its me, administrators or the coaches who have given you the same exact answers in every interview you've done.  KS just put a nice chart up there with the avg. MIAA in-region games yet you appear to have ignored it completely.


Here's some math for you..........$5, $7, $10 x 3,000+, then factor in whatever % you want for concessions.

Then again, please tell us scheduling men's and women's games for Hope is the same.

Why don't the go the home-and-home route? I don't like it when teams don't have a split of home / road unless they have special circumstances. And no, a shiny gym isn't a special circumstance. Are teams not willing to do their road half of a home-and-home?

My bile is pointed more toward the D-1 power conferences, especially in football (but basketball is almost as ridiculous) but if Hope is holding out for home games then that may be the rub.

I ask because I don't know if that's what hope is doing. But they do have extra home games this year (12 home vs. 10 road and one of those roadies was a tourney).

Well, more than that, the NCAA is basically punishing home games by discounting them by .25. Hurts F&M as well, playing all those games at home.

[KnightSlappy]

Should surprise no one that the MIAA leads the nation in out-of-region D3 games played:

CONFERENCE	D3GP	RegGP	ooRegGP	NonD3
MIAA	21.4	18.9	2.5	4.3
CCIW	25.1	23.0	2.1	0.6
ODAC	25.1	23.1	2.0	1.7
CAC	25.3	23.8	1.6	0.8
ASC	24.5	23.0	1.5	1.1
SCIAC	20.4	19.1	1.3	4.9
NEWMAC	25.3	24.0	1.3	0.0
LAND	24.6	23.4	1.3	0.9
CUNYAC	25.4	24.2	1.2	1.0
CC	25.5	24.3	1.2	0.3
USAC	24.3	23.1	1.1	2.3
SCAC	24.6	23.5	1.1	1.3
E8	25.0	24.0	1.0	0.8
OAC	25.2	24.2	1.0	1.0
SLIAC	21.9	21.0	0.9	3.6
MASCAC	25.4	24.6	0.9	0.7
NESCAC	24.5	23.7	0.8	0.7
SUNYAC	25.9	25.1	0.8	0.5
IND	13.5	12.8	0.8	10.0
LL	24.3	23.7	0.7	1.0
WIAC	25.2	24.6	0.7	1.0
NECC	25.2	24.6	0.7	0.4
NEAC	23.4	22.7	0.6	1.9
MACC	24.0	23.4	0.6	1.5
MACF	24.5	23.9	0.6	1.1
UAA	25.0	24.4	0.6	0.0
MWC	23.0	22.4	0.6	0.4
NJAC	24.8	24.2	0.6	1.1
AMCC	24.8	24.2	0.6	0.9
PrAC	24.3	23.8	0.6	2.2
NCAC	25.2	24.7	0.5	1.2
HCAC	25.6	25.1	0.5	0.3
LEC	25.6	25.1	0.5	0.5
NWC	20.3	19.9	0.4	5.3
NATHC	24.5	24.1	0.4	1.8
SKY	25.3	24.9	0.4	0.6
NAC	24.7	24.3	0.4	1.4
CSAC	25.3	25.0	0.3	0.8
CCC	25.5	25.2	0.3	0.9
IIAC	23.8	23.6	0.2	2.0
MIAC	25.2	25.0	0.2	0.6
UMAC	22.7	22.6	0.1	3.0
GNAC	26.0	25.9	0.1	0.2
AVG	24.2	23.4	0.8	1.5

[KnightSlappy]

Also, per Hope... they can solve that easily. I have been frustrated with their schedule for years... and the reasons giving for why they can't get more D3 opponents is hard to keep listening to... when their women's team seems to get plenty of opponents in non-conference action, each year. Some of these schools need to buck up and figure it out... and not hide behind reasons that just sound more hollow then usual.

Really......12 years of having their coach in an interview on your radio show answering the same  questions discussing regional games and you still just don't get it.

I had their coach on this year and asked the same question... BECAUSE the women seem to have no problems with scheduling and they are just as good as the men... so I am curious... after 12 years... why their scheduling as not improved. Now, there did seem to be signs of heading in the direction of more D3 games in the years to come... and that was great to hear.

I understand the excuse that opponents won't schedule them and won't come to Hope... but I think that just doesn't hold water when the women's team certainly seems to have less problems.

As for the Goucher scheduling... chalk that up to a trip to Puerto Rico when they played one game that could count on the schedule... and a number of "scrimmages." Not sure why... not going to figure it out... but it certainly needs to improve!

Do you really think scheduling men's and women's games is the same?  Does it occur to you the women have an extra 2 MIAA games built in because their half of the MIAA is one school larger.  You still don't get its an MIAA problem, not just a Hope problem.  STILL after all this time you refuse to listen to anything anybody tells you, whether its me, administrators or the coaches who have given you the same exact answers in every interview you've done.  KS just put a nice chart up there with the avg. MIAA in-region games yet you appear to have ignored it completely.


Here's some math for you..........$5, $7, $10 x 3,000+, then factor in whatever % you want for concessions.

Then again, please tell us scheduling men's and women's games for Hope is the same.

Hope was a bit ridiculous with their schedule this year. Eight games were non-D3. That IS a lot.

[realist]

Also, per Hope... they can solve that easily. I have been frustrated with their schedule for years... and the reasons giving for why they can't get more D3 opponents is hard to keep listening to... when their women's team seems to get plenty of opponents in non-conference action, each year. Some of these schools need to buck up and figure it out... and not hide behind reasons that just sound more hollow then usual.

Really......12 years of having their coach in an interview on your radio show answering the same  questions discussing regional games and you still just don't get it.

I had their coach on this year and asked the same question... BECAUSE the women seem to have no problems with scheduling and they are just as good as the men... so I am curious... after 12 years... why their scheduling as not improved. Now, there did seem to be signs of heading in the direction of more D3 games in the years to come... and that was great to hear.

I understand the excuse that opponents won't schedule them and won't come to Hope... but I think that just doesn't hold water when the women's team certainly seems to have less problems.

As for the Goucher scheduling... chalk that up to a trip to Puerto Rico when they played one game that could count on the schedule... and a number of "scrimmages." Not sure why... not going to figure it out... but it certainly needs to improve!

Do you really think scheduling men's and women's games is the same?  Does it occur to you the women have an extra 2 MIAA games built in because their half of the MIAA is one school larger.  You still don't get its an MIAA problem, not just a Hope problem.  STILL after all this time you refuse to listen to anything anybody tells you, whether its me, administrators or the coaches who have given you the same exact answers in every interview you've done.  KS just put a nice chart up there with the avg. MIAA in-region games yet you appear to have ignored it completely.


Here's some math for you..........$5, $7, $10 x 3,000+, then factor in whatever % you want for concessions.

Then again, please tell us scheduling men's and women's games for Hope is the same.

Hope was a bit ridiculous with their schedule this year. Eight games were non-D3. That IS a lot.

Also they played a total of one (1) game outside of MI in the2011-2012 season to date.

[HopeConvert]

Also, per Hope... they can solve that easily. I have been frustrated with their schedule for years... and the reasons giving for why they can't get more D3 opponents is hard to keep listening to... when their women's team seems to get plenty of opponents in non-conference action, each year. Some of these schools need to buck up and figure it out... and not hide behind reasons that just sound more hollow then usual.

Really......12 years of having their coach in an interview on your radio show answering the same  questions discussing regional games and you still just don't get it.

I had their coach on this year and asked the same question... BECAUSE the women seem to have no problems with scheduling and they are just as good as the men... so I am curious... after 12 years... why their scheduling as not improved. Now, there did seem to be signs of heading in the direction of more D3 games in the years to come... and that was great to hear.

I understand the excuse that opponents won't schedule them and won't come to Hope... but I think that just doesn't hold water when the women's team certainly seems to have less problems.

As for the Goucher scheduling... chalk that up to a trip to Puerto Rico when they played one game that could count on the schedule... and a number of "scrimmages." Not sure why... not going to figure it out... but it certainly needs to improve!

Do you really think scheduling men's and women's games is the same?  Does it occur to you the women have an extra 2 MIAA games built in because their half of the MIAA is one school larger.  You still don't get its an MIAA problem, not just a Hope problem.  STILL after all this time you refuse to listen to anything anybody tells you, whether its me, administrators or the coaches who have given you the same exact answers in every interview you've done.  KS just put a nice chart up there with the avg. MIAA in-region games yet you appear to have ignored it completely.


Here's some math for you..........$5, $7, $10 x 3,000+, then factor in whatever % you want for concessions.

Then again, please tell us scheduling men's and women's games for Hope is the same.

Hope was a bit ridiculous with their schedule this year. Eight games were non-D3. That IS a lot.

Also they played a total of one (1) game outside of MI in the2011-2012 season to date.

I'm hoping they'll make it three (3) on March 17.