Pool C

[Pat Coleman]

New D3hoops.com Top 25...

http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/index

1. UW-Stevens Point
2. UW-Whitewater
3. Washington U.
4. Illinois Wesleyan
5. St. Norbert

That would make for quite a tough Central Region.

Region of Death?

At most, only 2 could make to Salem but only if one gets sent East or South.

Which region they are designated as being in by the NCAA doesn't have an impact there, though.

I don't think I said that

I know you didn't but that was the tenor of the conversation here so figured I'd clarify for others.

[bopol]

New D3hoops.com Top 25...

http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/index

1. UW-Stevens Point
2. UW-Whitewater
3. Washington U.
4. Illinois Wesleyan
5. St. Norbert

That would make for quite a tough Central Region.

Region of Death?

At most, only 2 could make to Salem but only if one gets sent East or South.

I'm figuring that six teams from the Minnesota/Wisconsin/Illinois/Missouri area could reasonably host 1st/2nd round brackets (St Thomas, St Norbert, UWW, UWSP, IWU and Wash U).  My guess is there are about 14 other teams that could fill the 18 slots needed from the Midwest and drawing from the south and far west where there will be significant travel required no matter where the teams go (see Whitworth).  So, probably one of those teams get screwed out of hosting for regional balance.  But with 5 brackets in the area, they can be split into 2 brackets for the 3rd/4th round games and that'll get interesting.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

They will most likely shipped a team or two towards the Great Lakes or even Centre (or a team in that area). Sometimes teams are left on the outside of hosting to help with a more geographic and regionally diverse pod.

[KnightSlappy]

I'm not actually sure St. Norbert has slam-dunk hosting credentials right now. A sub-.500 SOS and only one game vRRO (a loss) isn't going to give them priority.

But yeah at least one of, St. Norbert, Wheaton, or Augustana could end up as another hosting candidate.

[bopol]

I'm not actually sure St. Norbert has slam-dunk hosting credentials right now. A sub-.500 SOS and only one game vRRO (a loss) isn't going to give them priority.

But yeah at least one of, St. Norbert, Wheaton, or Augustana could end up as another hosting candidate.

Yes, I'd expect St. Norbert to be the loser in this if only 5 Midwest teams end up hosting.  I could fill 14 spots (15 if I am super generous and include Carthage) with MSOE/MarianT, Augie, Wheaton, Rose Holman, Hope, MacMurray/Spaulding, St Norbert, Whitworth, TX-Dallas, Centre, Trinity-TX, CMS, Northwestern (MN) and St Olaf. 

I figure the two Texas clubs, Whitworth and CMS are getting on a plane no matter what, so they might as well come up to Chicago/St. Louis/Minneapolis.

You can make some fun brackets with those 19 (20) clubs.

[John Gleich]

I'm not actually sure St. Norbert has slam-dunk hosting credentials right now. A sub-.500 SOS and only one game vRRO (a loss) isn't going to give them priority.

That could be interesting... but their SOS *should* go up.


Is there any precedent in the committee not allowing a team with such a high winning percentage to host a game? SNC would be 24-1 if they win out, including their conf tournament (MWC only plays 23 games, +2 in the conf tournament).

They wouldn't have the highest win % in the country (unless all the other 1 loss teams lose) because the other 1 loss teams will have played more than 25 games at that point, but those other teams would just be marginally higher than SNC's .960 winning percentage.

[Greek Tragedy]

I'm not any good at geography, but I really don't see St. Norbert getting a hosting site based on credentials unless they get Dubuque, MSOE and a Pool C team from maybe the CCIW (I think Point or Whitewater as a Pool C team hosts before St. Norbert)...

[Just Bill]

I could see Purchase being skipped for hosting.  Their facility must be under 1,000 in capacity

That appears to be a temporary wall. If they have more seating on the other side of like the section shown they should be fine.

[sac]

I could see Purchase being skipped for hosting.  Their facility must be under 1,000 in capacity

That appears to be a temporary wall. If they have more seating on the other side of like the section shown they should be fine.

Found a better answer in their media guide, says 1800.  Largest crowd this year is 170.

[KnightSlappy]

I'm not actually sure St. Norbert has slam-dunk hosting credentials right now. A sub-.500 SOS and only one game vRRO (a loss) isn't going to give them priority.

That could be interesting... but their SOS *should* go up.


Is there any precedent in the committee not allowing a team with such a high winning percentage to host a game? SNC would be 24-1 if they win out, including their conf tournament (MWC only plays 23 games, +2 in the conf tournament).

They wouldn't have the highest win % in the country (unless all the other 1 loss teams lose) because the other 1 loss teams will have played more than 25 games at that point, but those other teams would just be marginally higher than SNC's .960 winning percentage.

Calvin's regional record was 19-1 last year and they went on the road (in a year in which 30 teams got to host first round games).

[Pat Coleman]

I could see Purchase being skipped for hosting.  Their facility must be under 1,000 in capacity

That appears to be a temporary wall. If they have more seating on the other side of like the section shown they should be fine.

Found a better answer in their media guide, says 1800.  Largest crowd this year is 170.

I've been there -- that is indeed a temporary wall. It's a very reasonable first-round site.

[sac]

Regional rankings are suggesting UT-Dallas would be inline to host.  UT-D would need to be flown to any other presently logical host site, therefore we assume UT-D hosts.  Other than Trinity/SCAC winner, any other currently likely D3 tournament participant would have to be flown to Dallas.  In which case it makes sense to fly the NWC and SCIAC winners to Dallas.

If that happens I don't see a need for 5 Midwest/West host sites, just not enough schools.

[bopol]

Regional rankings are suggesting UT-Dallas would be inline to host.  UT-D would need to be flown to any other presently logical host site, therefore we assume UT-D hosts.  Other than Trinity/SCAC winner, any other currently likely D3 tournament participant would have to be flown to Dallas.  In which case it makes sense to fly the NWC and SCIAC winners to Dallas.

If that happens I don't see a need for 5 Midwest/West host sites, just not enough schools.

Direct flights from Spokane to Chicago and Minneapolis FWIW.

Los Angeles - Anywhere is pretty easy though.

[KnightSlappy]

Regional rankings are suggesting UT-Dallas would be inline to host.  UT-D would need to be flown to any other presently logical host site, therefore we assume UT-D hosts.  Other than Trinity/SCAC winner, any other currently likely D3 tournament participant would have to be flown to Dallas.  In which case it makes sense to fly the NWC and SCIAC winners to Dallas.

If that happens I don't see a need for 5 Midwest/West host sites, just not enough schools.

Looking back today too, I was surprised by how high Texas-Dallas was in the rankings.

It's not immediately clear how they got Virginia Wesleyan over Centre (-.125/+.026), but not Centre over Texas-Dallas (-.030/+.030)

2. Texas-Dallas: .905/.483
3. Virginia Wesleyan: .750/.539
4. Centre: .875/.513

No head-to-head or common opponents jumped out at me, but I wasn't particularly meticulous in my looks at their schedules.

[sac]

Even if Centre were to draw a host pod, the two likely Texas representatives  UT-Dallas and Trinity would have to be flown to a 4 team pod.  Neither are with 500 miles of Danville, KY.

Either they use a bye for UT-Dallas or another ASC/SCAC school has to make the field and you fly in one or both of the West Coast reps.