Pool C

[David Collinge]

Marrietta probably had to beat Mount Union in the finals for OAC to have a shot at getting two in, but now it seems like that unless Calvin beats Hope tomorrow, the GL region will be represented solely by Wilmington/John Caroll, Hope,  and 3 or 4 teams from the NCAC...

It will be interesting to see how the weekend pans out for IWU, Wooster, Wheaton, OWU, Carthage, DePauw, Augustana, and Wittenberg. Seems to me that the CCIW should be rooting hard for Wooster to take care of business this weekend and the NCAC will be doing the same with IWU...

No way do we get 4 in. I'm not even sure we get 2 if Wooster grabs the A. Witt and OWU absolutely need wins tonight to stay alive, and DePauw probably does too.

[Greek Tragedy]

I agree. David just types faster! It doesn't help them that Bethany and Mount Umion lost too. Realistically, the NCAC gets two. I think Ohio Wesleyan has to beat DePauw in the final for the NCAC to get 3 in.

[bopol]

FYI - I know there are a lot of concerns about Emory simply on the fact that they have no quality wins on their resume... great SOS, but what have they really done with that SOS... more to come tomorrow.

4-5 against regional ranked teams.

* Beat NYU twice
* Lost to Wash U twice
* Split w/Chicago
* Split w/ Birmingham-Southern
* Lost to Virginia Wesleyan

On top of that beat Chris Newport (who might get a regional ranking before this is done).

If Emory wnis this weekend, they'll be a 7 loss team with a very good SOS and a good RRO record.  Even if they don't get picked among the first ten, they'll be up against the Carthages (9 losses, similar SOS and better 'wins') or 6 loss teams with no quality wins.

Interested in hearing on the concerns.

[sac]

Marrietta probably had to beat Mount Union in the finals for OAC to have a shot at getting two in, but now it seems like that unless Calvin beats Hope tomorrow, the GL region will be represented solely by Wilmington/John Caroll, Hope,  and 3 or 4 teams from the NCAC...

It will be interesting to see how the weekend pans out for IWU, Wooster, Wheaton, OWU, Carthage, DePauw, Augustana, and Wittenberg. Seems to me that the CCIW should be rooting hard for Wooster to take care of business this weekend and the NCAC will be doing the same with IWU...

Don't forget our Great Lakes friends from the PrAC and AMCC , one from each conference gets an AQ.

PrAC
St. Vincent at Thomas More

AMCC
Medaille vs Hilbert
Pitt-Bradford at PSU-Behrend

[sac]

FYI - I know there are a lot of concerns about Emory simply on the fact that they have no quality wins on their resume... great SOS, but what have they really done with that SOS... more to come tomorrow.

4-5 against regional ranked teams.

* Beat NYU twice
* Lost to Wash U twice
* Split w/Chicago
* Split w/ Birmingham-Southern
* Lost to Virginia Wesleyan

On top of that beat Chris Newport (who might get a regional ranking before this is done).

If Emory wnis this weekend, they'll be a 7 loss team with a very good SOS and a good RRO record.  Even if they don't get picked among the first ten, they'll be up against the Carthages (9 losses, similar SOS and better 'wins') or 6 loss teams with no quality wins.

Interested in hearing on the concerns.

Not a concern but if Chicago doesn't stay in the Midwest rankings (this week #8) Emory loses two RRO's

[KnightSlappy]

Current ordinal RPI rank of the current Pool C crop. Some of these teams would still have to lose to stay on this list (and some have already lost).

C   1   UW-Whitewater
C   2   Williams
C   3   Emory
C   4   Babson
C   5   Wheaton (Ill.)
C   6   Wesley
C   7   Plattsburgh State
C   8   Geneseo State
C   9   Carthage
C   10   St. Olaf
C   11   Springfield
C   12   Augustana
C   13   Bowdoin
C   14   Virginia Wesleyan
C   15   Christopher Newport
C   16   Alvernia
C   17   St. Marys (Md.)
C   18   Messiah
C   19   William Paterson
--   ---------   ---------
C   20   Ohio Wesleyan
C   21   Dubuque
C   22   Middlebury
C   23   UW-La Crosse
C   24   Marietta
C   25   DePauw
C   26   Chicago
C   27   Rhode Island College
C   28   Colorado College
C   29   UW-Platteville

[HOPEful]

Don't forget our Great Lakes friends from the PrAC and AMCC , one from each conference gets an AQ.

PrAC
St. Vincent at Thomas More

AMCC
Medaille vs Hilbert
Pitt-Bradford at PSU-Behrend

Very right! I'm sorry. I often forget they are in the GL because PA and KY just don't scream Great Lakes to me. Also, if Thomas More wins the PrAC, they are a school that could travel to Emory without flying.

(Still, I'm guessing Emory goes to Centre with John Caroll/Wilmington, Thomas More, and/or the NCAC #2)


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[sac]

KS, do we have a list of the 18 strongest Pool A's?

[bopol]

FYI - I know there are a lot of concerns about Emory simply on the fact that they have no quality wins on their resume... great SOS, but what have they really done with that SOS... more to come tomorrow.

4-5 against regional ranked teams.

* Beat NYU twice
* Lost to Wash U twice
* Split w/Chicago
* Split w/ Birmingham-Southern
* Lost to Virginia Wesleyan

On top of that beat Chris Newport (who might get a regional ranking before this is done).

If Emory wnis this weekend, they'll be a 7 loss team with a very good SOS and a good RRO record.  Even if they don't get picked among the first ten, they'll be up against the Carthages (9 losses, similar SOS and better 'wins') or 6 loss teams with no quality wins.

Interested in hearing on the concerns.

Not a concern but if Chicago doesn't stay in the Midwest rankings (this week #8) Emory loses two RRO's

True.  I was surprised by Chicago being in there over Defiance, which is getting no love, or Marian.

That said, the MW has been remarkably stable so far and Carthage didn't drop when they lost to IWU, so I wonder if they'll shift Chicago out if they lose to Wash U.

Also, I was surprised by NYU hanging in there in the East, but there really don't seem to be better qualified teams there either.

Does the selection committee just look at RRO or does it consider the quality of RRO as well?  This would play into Carthage's advantage as the team with wins against regional ranked MW#1 Wash U, MW#2 IWU, MW#3 Wheaton and NE#4 Eastern Connecticut as opposed to wins vs teams barely in the regional rankings.

[KnightSlappy]

KS, do we have a list of the 18 strongest Pool A's?

Here's the Top 19 sorted by RPI

UW-Stevens Point
Washington U.
Amherst
Illinois Wesleyan
Scranton
Brockport State
Wooster
St. Norbert
Cabrini
Randolph-Macon
SUNY-Purchase
Richard Stockton
Hope
WPI
Eastern Connecticut
St. Thomas
Albertus Magnus
Mary Washington
Whitworth

Pool A's also above the dashed line Pool C cutoff:

Dickinson
Nichols
Texas-Dallas
Staten Island

[imderekpoe]

Are teams in New Jersey eligible to host this year?  I seem to remember that they weren't last year (or maybe it was the year before) due to sports gambling.

[hopefan]

Atlantic Region - NCAA data sheet
1 SUNY-Purchase 23-2 23-2
2 Richard Stockton 21-4 21-4
3 Staten Island 24-2 24-2
4 William Paterson 20-5 20-5
5 Rutgers-Newark 19-7 19-7    ELIMINATED from Conference Tourney
6 Mount St. Mary 20-5 20-5

East - NCAA data sheet
1 Brockport State 21-3 22-3
2 Plattsburgh State 21-4 21-4
3 Geneseo State 19-5 20-5
4 Hobart 19-6 19-6
5 NYU 16-8 16-8
6 Skidmore 16-9 16-9  ELIMINATED from Conference Tourney

Great Lakes - NCAA data sheet
1 Wooster 21-2 22-3
2 Hope 18-5 19-6
3 Bethany 20-4 21-4  ELIMINATED from Conference Tourney
4 Mount Union 20-5 20-5  ELIMINATED from Conference Tourney
5 DePauw 17-7 18-7
6 Wittenberg 19-6 19-6
7 Ohio Wesleyan 19-6 19-6

Mid-Atlantic - NCAA data sheet
1 Cabrini 23-1 23-1
2 Scranton 22-3 22-3
3 Wesley 20-2 22-2  ELIMINATED from Conference Tourney
4 Dickinson 20-5 20-5
5 Stevenson 18-7 18-7
6 Messiah 19-5 19-5  ELIMINATED from Conference Tourney
7 Alvernia 18-7 18-7
8 Mary Washington 18-5 20-5
9 St. Mary's (Md.) 15-7 18-7  ELIMINATED from Conference Tourney

Midwest - NCAA data sheet
1 Washington U. 22-2 22-2
2 Illinois Wesleyan 22-3 22-3
3 Wheaton (Ill.) 17-8 17-8
4 Augustana 19-6 19-6
5 St. Norbert 21-1 22-1
6 Carthage 15-8 16-9
7 Rose-Hulman 20-5 20-5
8 Chicago 14-9 15-9

Northeast - NCAA data sheet
1 Amherst 22-2 22-3
2 Williams 21-3 22-3
3 Babson 20-5 20-5
4 Eastern Connecticut 20-5 20-5
5 WPI 22-3 22-3
6 Springfield 18-6 19-6
7 Bowdoin 19-5 19-5  ELIMINATED from Conference Tourney
8 Albertus Magnus 23-1 23-2
9 Nichols 20-5 20-5
10 Rhode Island College 17-8 17-8
11 Middlebury 16-8 17-8

South - NCAA data sheet
1 Randolph-Macon 20-5 20-5
2 Emory 17-7 17-7
3 Virgina Wesleyan 18-6 19-6
4 Texas-Dallas 22-3 22-3
5 Centre 17-3 20-4  Pool B Candidate
6 Birmingham-Southern 16-9 16-9
7 Guilford 17-8 17-8
8 Trinity (Texas) 16-9 16-9

West - NCAA data sheet
1 UW-Stevens Point 24-1 24-1
2 UW-Whitewater 22-3 22-3
3 St. Thomas 21-4 21-4
4 St. Olaf 20-5 20-5
5 Whitworth 20-5 20-5
6 Dubuque 18-4 21-4  Eliminated from Conference tourney
7 Claremont-Mudd-Scripps 17-3 19-5
8 Pomona-Pitzer 18-5 18-7
9 Augsburg 18-7 18-7 Eliminated from Conference tourney

[ronk]

Are teams in New Jersey eligible to host this year?  I seem to remember that they weren't last year (or maybe it was the year before) due to sports gambling.

Yes, I've been told that they're able to host this year.

[Greek Tragedy]

Hopefan,

My list not good enough for you?        

[pjunito]

Great work Hoops Fan

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