Pool C

[CCHoopster]

Thanks for all the effort you guys put in! Love following your posts and certainly I speak for many I think when saying we appreciate the data, updates and careful thinking that goes into your posts. What a great time of year!

Im a Mid-Atlantic follower and was wondering how many Pool C bids you think the MA receives? Obviously Wesley gets one. Does Dickinson or Stevenson get one, do they both?

Thanks guys!

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

And this presents a problem to me as I think there is TOO MUCH emphasis on record vs. RRO as opposed to the quality of the RRO played.  There is a huge difference in beating MW#1, MW#2, MW#3, E#4 and beating E#5 twice, MW#8 and S#6, but there doesn't seem to be a mechanism to take that into account. 

But I think there is - it's "results" vs regionally ranked...not "record."  The committee can interpret that RRO data in a lot of different ways.

EXACTLY! And I am not saying they are putting a lot of emphasis on the criteria, but a change in the numbers makes a difference. We don't know who will enter or fall out of the last regional rankings as the teams at the bottoms can shift dramatically across the country. Then we don't know how the national committee will take in the new vRRO data the final rankings reveal and adjust again the rankings. It can make a huge difference as a team who played four games against RRO could all of the sudden have ten! We absolutely saw this last season and it is a factor we can't really predict or expect.

And to Bob's point... it is "results" meaning they are looking at the score of that data, not just a winning percentage. Because Stevenson played a ranked opponent in the championship game (and maybe one in the semis if Hood were to reenter the equation), they have some strong data that Dickinson does not add to their resume this week. Per that, you could make an argument that Messiah could move ahead of Dickinson... BUT losing in the semifinals gives Messiah one more game of data... Dickinson at least has two more games of data... can't see Messiah moving ahead especially since both team's SOSs were identical this past week... two more games for Dickinson will improve their SOS more than Messiah's will (in theory).

[Titan Q]

TitanQ, There are 19 Pool C bids, correct?

Yes, not sure why I was using 20.  Now edited above.

Way to break hearts in Springfield.

[CCHoopster]

And this presents a problem to me as I think there is TOO MUCH emphasis on record vs. RRO as opposed to the quality of the RRO played.  There is a huge difference in beating MW#1, MW#2, MW#3, E#4 and beating E#5 twice, MW#8 and S#6, but there doesn't seem to be a mechanism to take that into account. 

But I think there is - it's "results" vs regionally ranked...not "record."  The committee can interpret that RRO data in a lot of different ways.

EXACTLY! And I am not saying they are putting a lot of emphasis on the criteria, but a change in the numbers makes a difference. We don't know who will enter or fall out of the last regional rankings as the teams at the bottoms can shift dramatically across the country. Then we don't know how the national committee will take in the new vRRO data the final rankings reveal and adjust again the rankings. It can make a huge difference as a team who played four games against RRO could all of the sudden have ten! We absolutely saw this last season and it is a factor we can't really predict or expect.

And to Bob's point... it is "results" meaning they are looking at the score of that data, not just a winning percentage. Because Stevenson played a ranked opponent in the championship game (and maybe one in the semis if Hood were to reenter the equation), they have some strong data that Dickinson does not add to their resume this week. Per that, you could make an argument that Messiah could move ahead of Dickinson... BUT losing in the semifinals gives Messiah one more game of data... Dickinson at least has two more games of data... can't see Messiah moving ahead especially since both team's SOSs were identical this past week... two more games for Dickinson will improve their SOS more than Messiah's will (in theory).

Is there a difference matter that Dickinson's loss was to a non-ranked JHU and Messiahs was at a ranked and higher ranked Alvernia?

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Yes... thus why I indicated you could make an argument to place Messiah ahead of Dickinson, but that argument has to outweigh the fact Messiah was 0-1 this week and Dickinson was 1-1 an in the title game for that matter.

[CCHoopster]

Yes... thus why I indicated you could make an argument to place Messiah ahead of Dickinson, but that argument has to outweigh the fact Messiah was 0-1 this week and Dickinson was 1-1 an in the title game for that matter.

Makes sense, thank you. So is the question Dickinson having no results vs RRO's and being 1-1 vs Messiah being 0-1 but that game vs a RRO? Is that an example of a discussion the committees (regional/NCAA) will have regarding the Dickinson College?

Really wish I knew more about this, trying to learn so sorry for the elementary questions. Actually I don't even know if these are elementary questions or not. Anyway thanks for the info!

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

It is more of a question of how many games get added to the vRRO category... Messiah gets one game and they are 0-1... Dickinson gets no games. However, Dickinson also played two more games to bolster other data like SOS and they at least won a game this past week where Messiah didn't.

[Ralph Turner]

KnightSlappy do this, KnightSlappy do that...

RG   ##   WP      bSOS    bRPI    NAT   Pool   D3      RRO   CONFER   TEAM
NE   01   0.920   0.579   0.664   003   A      23-2    8-0   NESCAC   Amherst
NE   02   0.880   0.555   0.636   006   C      22-3    4-2   NESCAC   Williams
NE   03   0.769   0.567   0.618   015   C      20-6    3-5   NEWMAC   Babson
NE   04   0.760   0.564   0.613   019   A      19-6    2-4   NEWMAC   Springfield
NE   05   0.786   0.546   0.606   026   C      22-6    3-4   LEC      Eastern Connecticut
NE   06   0.963   0.486   0.605   027   A      26-1    1-0   GNAC     Albertus Magnus
NE   07   0.846   0.520   0.602   029   C      22-4    3-1   NEWMAC   WPI
NE   08   0.792   0.529   0.595   036   C      19-5    1-3   NESCAC   Bowdoin
NE   09   0.714   0.554   0.594   038   A      20-8    1-4   LEC      Rhode Island College
NE   10   0.786   0.521   0.587   046   C      22-6    0-2   CCC      Nichols
NE   11   0.640   0.562   0.582   054   C      16-9    3-6   NESCAC   Middlebury
ne   12   0.926   0.450   0.569   072   A      25-2    1-0   NAC      Husson
ne   13   0.704   0.512   0.560   086   C      19-8    3-5   NEWMAC   MIT
ne   14   0.720   0.501   0.556   093   C      18-7    1-2   GNAC     Johnson and Wales
ne   15   0.500   0.572   0.554   096   C      12-12   1-9   UAA      Brandeis
ne   16   0.654   0.520   0.553   099   C      17-9    1-3   MASCAC   Salem State
ne   17   0.643   0.513   0.546   113   C      18-10   1-3   GNAC     St. Josephs (Maine)
ne   18   0.654   0.510   0.546   114   C      17-9    0-6   LEC      Western Connecticut
ne   19   0.654   0.504   0.542   124   C      17-9    2-3   CCC      Salve Regina
ne   20   0.720   0.482   0.542   125   A      18-7    0-2   NECC     Mitchell
                              
RG   ##   WP      bSOS    bRPI    NAT   Pool   D3      RRO   CONFER   TEAM
EA   01   0.885   0.553   0.636   007   A      23-3    4-2   SUNYAC   Brockport State
EA   02   0.815   0.553   0.619   014   C      22-5    4-4   SUNYAC   Plattsburgh State
EA   03   0.769   0.554   0.607   023   C      20-6    2-4   SUNYAC   Geneseo State
EA   04   0.778   0.523   0.587   047   A      21-6    1-2   LL       Hobart
EA   05   0.667   0.546   0.576   061   C      16-8    0-6   UAA      New York University
EA   06   0.696   0.516   0.561   084   C      16-7    0-1   E8       Nazareth
ea   07   0.630   0.534   0.558   088   C      17-10   2-5   SUNYAC   Oswego State
ea   08   0.704   0.503   0.553   098   C      19-8    3-3   LL       Vassar
ea   09   0.615   0.532   0.553   101   C      16-10   2-4   LL       Skidmore
ea   10   0.640   0.521   0.551   102   A      16-9    0-3   E8       Hartwick
ea   11   0.625   0.522   0.548   107   C      15-9    1-2   E8       Stevens
ea   12   0.609   0.526   0.547   110   C      14-9    1-2   E8       St. John Fisher
ea   13   0.417   0.585   0.543   122   C      10-14   4-7   UAA      Rochester
ea   14   0.583   0.520   0.536   141   C      14-10   1-5   LL       Clarkson
ea   15   0.480   0.548   0.531   152   C      12-13   1-7   SUNYAC   Buffalo State
ea   16   0.625   0.488   0.522   171   C      15-9    2-4   LL       Rochester Tech
ea   17   0.538   0.515   0.521   175   C      14-12   1-5   SUNYAC   Cortland State
ea   18   0.462   0.537   0.518   179   C      12-14   0-7   SUNYAC   Oneonta State
ea   19   0.619   0.476   0.512   193   C      13-8    0-0   E8       Alfred
ea   20   0.667   0.450   0.504   203   C      16-8    0-2   NEAC     Morrisville State
                              
RG   ##   WP      bSOS    bRPI    NAT   Pool   D3      RRO   CONFER   TEAM
AT   01   0.926   0.522   0.623   013   A      25-2    5-1   SKY      SUNY-Purchase
AT   02   0.852   0.537   0.615   016   A      23-4    4-2   NJAC     Richard Stockton
AT   03   0.778   0.528   0.591   042   C      21-6    4-3   NJAC     William Paterson
AT   04   0.893   0.486   0.588   045   C      25-3    0-0   CUNYAC   Staten Island
AT   05   0.778   0.506   0.574   065   C      21-6    0-5   SKY      Mount St. Mary
AT   06   0.704   0.531   0.574   066   C      19-8    2-3   NJAC     Rutgers-Newark
at   07   0.741   0.503   0.562   081   A      20-7    1-4   CUNYAC   York (N.Y.)
at   08   0.520   0.546   0.540   128   C      13-12   1-8   NJAC     Kean
at   09   0.556   0.515   0.525   164   C      15-12   0-7   SKY      SUNY-Old Westbury
at   10   0.667   0.467   0.517   181   C      18-9    0-6   SKY      Farmingdale State
at   11   0.520   0.511   0.513   190   C      13-12   1-6   NJAC     New Jersey City
at   12   0.560   0.494   0.511   194   C      14-11   0-3   CUNYAC   Baruch
at   13   0.391   0.549   0.509   196   C      9-14    2-8   NJAC     Montclair State
at   14   0.480   0.516   0.507   197   C      12-13   2-4   CUNYAC   Brooklyn
at   15   0.417   0.535   0.506   200   C      10-14   1-3   LAND     Merchant Marine
at   16   0.542   0.480   0.495   221   C      13-11   0-4   SKY      Sage
at   17   0.458   0.496   0.486   242   C      11-13   0-4   CUNYAC   Lehman
at   18   0.360   0.529   0.486   243   C      9-16    1-7   NJAC     Ramapo
at   19   0.381   0.520   0.485   244   C      8-13    0-6   NJAC     Rowan
at   20   0.417   0.499   0.479   261   C      10-14   0-5   CUNYAC   Hunter
                              
RG   ##   WP      bSOS    bRPI    NAT   Pool   D3      RRO   CONFER   TEAM
MA   01   0.889   0.545   0.631   011   A      24-3    2-1   LAND     Scranton
MA   02   0.962   0.513   0.625   012   A      25-1    3-0   CSAC     Cabrini
MA   03   0.870   0.529   0.614   017   C      20-3    5-0   CAC      Wesley
MA   04   0.800   0.540   0.605   028   A      20-5    4-2   CAC      Mary Washington
MA   05   0.741   0.550   0.598   032   A      20-7    4-4   MACC     Alvernia
MA   06   0.778   0.529   0.592   039   C      21-6    2-1   CC       Dickinson
MA   07   0.654   0.571   0.592   040   C      17-9    4-7   CAC      Christopher Newport
MA   08   0.667   0.565   0.590   043   C      16-8    1-6   CAC      St. Marys (Md.)
MA   09   0.760   0.532   0.589   044   C      19-6    2-4   MACC     Messiah
ma   10   0.704   0.531   0.574   067   C      19-8    4-3   MACC     Stevenson
ma   11   0.692   0.527   0.568   074   C      18-8    1-4   CSAC     Neumann
ma   12   0.615   0.550   0.566   076   A      16-10   2-5   CC       Johns Hopkins
ma   13   0.692   0.510   0.556   092   C      18-8    0-3   CC       McDaniel
ma   14   0.583   0.543   0.553   100   C      14-10   0-4   LAND     Susquehanna
ma   15   0.615   0.527   0.549   104   C      16-10   2-5   MACC     Hood
ma   16   0.750   0.481   0.548   105   C      18-6    0-2   CSAC     Gwynedd-Mercy
ma   17   0.583   0.535   0.547   109   C      14-10   2-1   LAND     Juniata
ma   18   0.654   0.511   0.547   111   C      17-9    2-2   CC       Franklin and Marshall
ma   19   0.600   0.523   0.542   123   C      15-10   1-2   CC       Muhlenberg
ma   20   0.522   0.543   0.538   134   C      12-11   3-6   CAC      Salisbury
                              
RG   ##   WP      bSOS    bRPI    NAT   Pool   D3      RRO   CONFER   TEAM
SO   01   0.680   0.591   0.613   018   C      17-8    4-5   UAA      Emory
SO   02   0.769   0.559   0.612   020   C      20-6    4-3   ODAC     Randolph-Macon
SO   03   0.889   0.499   0.597   033   A      24-3    0-1   ASC      Texas-Dallas
SO   04   0.864   0.506   0.595   035   B      19-3    1-2   SAA      Centre
SO   05   0.769   0.537   0.595   037   A      20-6    3-2   ODAC     Virginia Wesleyan
SO   06   0.667   0.544   0.575   064   A      18-9    1-4   SCAC     Trinity (Texas)
SO   07   0.630   0.553   0.572   069   C      17-10   4-3   SAA      Birmingham-Southern
SO   08   0.760   0.505   0.569   071   C      19-6    3-4   SAA      Oglethorpe
so   09   0.571   0.564   0.566   077   C      16-12   3-7   ODAC     Hampden-Sydney
so   10   0.731   0.499   0.557   089   C      19-7    1-1   ASC      Hardin-Simmons
so   11   0.654   0.525   0.557   090   C      17-9    1-6   ODAC     Guilford
so   12   0.739   0.494   0.555   094   C      17-6    1-2   USAC     Maryville (Tenn.)
so   13   0.577   0.530   0.542   126   C      15-11   3-2   ODAC     Eastern Mennonite
so   14   0.680   0.491   0.538   132   C      17-8    0-3   SLIAC    Spalding
so   15   0.625   0.509   0.538   133   C      15-9    0-5   ODAC     Lynchburg
so   16   0.577   0.524   0.537   135   C      15-11   3-0   SCAC     Schreiner
so   17   0.654   0.498   0.537   136   C      17-9    2-1   ASC      Mary Hardin-Baylor
so   18   0.522   0.538   0.534   147   C      12-11   2-4   ODAC     Bridgewater (Va.)
so   19   0.600   0.504   0.528   159   C      15-10   0-2   ASC      Concordia (Texas)
so   20   0.577   0.511   0.527   160   C      15-11   0-3   ASC      Texas-Tyler
                              
RG   ##   WP      bSOS    bRPI    NAT   Pool   D3      RRO   CONFER   TEAM
GL   01   0.923   0.543   0.638   005   A      24-2    7-2   NCAC     Wooster
GL   02   0.760   0.555   0.606   024   C      19-6    2-4   MIAA     Hope
GL   03   0.741   0.541   0.591   041   C      20-7    3-5   NCAC     Ohio Wesleyan
GL   04   0.750   0.530   0.585   048   C      21-7    3-6   NCAC     Wittenberg
GL   05   0.720   0.538   0.583   051   C      18-7    0-4   OAC      Marietta
GL   06   0.692   0.545   0.582   052   C      18-8    4-5   NCAC     DePauw
GL   07   0.692   0.542   0.579   057   A      18-8    1-2   OAC      Wilmington
gl   08   0.769   0.514   0.578   058   C      20-6    0-1   OAC      Mount Union
gl   09   0.800   0.501   0.575   062   C      20-5    1-0   PrAC     Bethany
gl   10   0.826   0.483   0.569   073   A      19-4    2-4   MIAA     Calvin
gl   11   0.852   0.466   0.563   080   A      23-4    1-0   AMCC     Penn State-Behrend
gl   12   0.792   0.483   0.560   085   A      19-5    1-1   PrAC     St. Vincent
gl   13   0.615   0.534   0.554   095   C      16-10   1-2   OAC      Ohio Northern
gl   14   0.621   0.519   0.545   116   C      18-11   1-3   OAC      John Carroll
gl   15   0.560   0.540   0.545   118   C      14-11   3-6   UAA      Case Western Reserve
gl   16   0.556   0.534   0.540   129   C      15-12   1-4   PrAC     Thomas More
gl   17   0.731   0.473   0.537   137   C      19-7    0-0   AMCC     Hilbert
gl   18   0.519   0.543   0.537   138   C      14-13   0-4   OAC      Baldwin Wallace
gl   19   0.462   0.543   0.523   168   C      12-14   1-3   OAC      Capital
gl   20   0.417   0.555   0.520   176   C      10-14   1-8   UAA      Carnegie Mellon
                              
RG   ##   WP      bSOS    bRPI    NAT   Pool   D3      RRO   CONFER   TEAM
MW   01   0.920   0.589   0.672   002   A      23-2    9-2   UAA      Washington U.
MW   02   0.852   0.560   0.633   008   C      23-4    8-3   CCIW     Illinois Wesleyan
MW   03   0.958   0.523   0.632   009   A      23-1    0-1   MWC      St. Norbert
MW   04   0.704   0.607   0.631   010   A      19-8    8-5   CCIW     Wheaton (Ill.)
MW   05   0.625   0.599   0.606   025   C      15-9    4-7   CCIW     Carthage
MW   06   0.731   0.555   0.599   031   C      19-7    5-4   CCIW     Augustana
MW   07   0.815   0.523   0.596   034   A      22-5    2-1   HCAC     Rose-Hulman
MW   08   0.583   0.582   0.582   053   C      14-10   4-7   UAA      Chicago
mw   09   0.778   0.516   0.581   055   A      21-6    0-0   NATHC    Marian
mw   10   0.808   0.491   0.570   070   C      21-5    0-0   NATHC    Milwaukee Engineering
mw   11   0.792   0.494   0.568   075   C      19-5    0-3   HCAC     Defiance
mw   12   0.679   0.528   0.566   078   C      19-9    1-4   HCAC     Hanover
mw   13   0.500   0.587   0.566   079   C      11-11   3-8   CCIW     North Central (Ill.)
mw   14   0.667   0.527   0.562   082   C      18-9    0-1   NATHC    Aurora
mw   15   0.739   0.499   0.559   087   C      17-6    0-3   MWC      Grinnell
mw   16   0.654   0.520   0.554   097   C      17-9    1-4   HCAC     Mount St. Joseph
mw   17   0.583   0.538   0.550   103   C      14-10   2-6   CCIW     Elmhurst
mw   18   0.692   0.498   0.546   112   C      18-8    0-0   NATHC    Lakeland
mw   19   0.625   0.518   0.545   115   C      15-9    0-2   MWC      Ripon
mw   20   0.625   0.518   0.545   117   C      15-9    1-4   MWC      Carroll
                              
RG   ##   WP      bSOS    bRPI    NAT   Pool   D3      RRO   CONFER   TEAM
WE   01   0.962   0.579   0.675   001   A      25-1    5-1   WIAC     UW-Stevens Point
WE   02   0.885   0.564   0.645   004   C      23-3    4-1   WIAC     UW-Whitewater
WE   03   0.808   0.543   0.609   021   C      21-5    1-5   MIAC     St. Olaf
WE   04   0.846   0.528   0.608   022   A      22-4    4-2   MIAC     St. Thomas
WE   05   0.815   0.530   0.601   030   A      22-5    1-1   NWC      Whitworth
WE   06   0.783   0.517   0.584   049   C      18-5    1-0   IIAC     Dubuque
WE   07   0.625   0.570   0.584   050   C      15-9    1-5   WIAC     UW-La Crosse
WE   08   0.577   0.582   0.581   056   C      15-11   1-8   WIAC     UW-Platteville
we   09   0.783   0.509   0.577   059   A      18-5    1-2   IIAC     Central
we   10   0.818   0.496   0.577   060   C      18-4    1-1   SCIAC    Claremont-Mudd-Scripps
we   11   0.682   0.539   0.575   063   C      15-7    2-4   SCAC     Colorado College
we   12   0.750   0.514   0.573   068   C      18-6    3-1   SCIAC    Pomona-Pitzer
we   13   0.692   0.517   0.561   083   C      18-8    1-4   MIAC     Augsburg
we   14   0.583   0.548   0.557   091   C      14-10   1-2   IIAC     Luther
we   15   0.630   0.521   0.548   106   C      17-10   1-6   MIAC     Gustavus Adolphus
we   16   0.682   0.503   0.548   108   A      15-7    2-3   SCIAC    Chapman
we   17   0.600   0.525   0.544   120   C      15-10   3-4   MIAC     St. Johns
we   18   0.650   0.508   0.543   121   C      13-7    1-2   NWC      Lewis and Clark
we   19   0.583   0.524   0.539   130   C      14-10   1-2   IIAC     Buena Vista
we   20   0.615   0.510   0.536   140   C      16-10   0-5   NWC      Whitman
                              
RG   ##   WP      bSOS    bRPI    NAT   Pool   D3      RRO   CONFER   TEAM
B    01   0.864   0.506   0.595   035   B      19-3    1-2   SAA      Centre
b    02   0.630   0.553   0.572   069   C      17-10   4-3   SAA      Birmingham-Southern
b    03   0.760   0.505   0.569   071   C      19-6    3-4   SAA      Oglethorpe
b    04   0.556   0.510   0.522   172   C      15-12   1-5   SAA      Rhodes

KnightSlappy earn karma. +1! and thanks. 

[KnightSlappy]

These 16 look pretty good to me:

UW-Whitewater   WE   0.885   / 0.564   / 4-1
Williams   NE   0.880   / 0.555   / 4-2
Illinois Wesleyan   MW   0.852   / 0.560   / 8-3
Plattsburgh State   EA   0.815   / 0.553   / 4-4
Babson   NE   0.769   / 0.567   / 3-5
Wesley   MA   0.870   / 0.529   / 5-0
Emory   SO   0.680   / 0.591   / 4-5
Randolph-Macon   SO   0.769   / 0.559   / 4-3
St. Olaf   WE   0.808   / 0.543   / 1-5
Geneseo State   EA   0.769   / 0.554   / 2-4
Hope   GL   0.760   / 0.555   / 2-4
Carthage   MW   0.625   / 0.599   / 4-7
Eastern Connecticut   NE   0.786   / 0.546   / 3-4
WPI   NE   0.846   / 0.520   / 3-1
Augustana   MW   0.731   / 0.555   / 5-4
Bowdoin   NE   0.792   / 0.529   / 1-3

Bubble (not really in order):

Dickinson   MA   0.778   / 0.529   / 2-1
Christopher Newport   MA   0.654   / 0.571   / 4-7
Ohio Wesleyan   GL   0.741   / 0.541   / 3-5
William Paterson   AT   0.778   / 0.528   / 4-3
St. Marys (Md.)   MA   0.667   / 0.565   / 1-6
Messiah   MA   0.760   / 0.532   / 2-4
Staten Island   AT   0.893   / 0.486   / 0-0
Nichols   NE   0.786   / 0.521   / 0-2
Wittenberg   GL   0.750   / 0.530   / 3-6
Dubuque   WE   0.783   / 0.517   / 1-0
DePauw   GL   0.692   / 0.545   / 4-5

Both Virginia Wesleyan and Springfield would probably be in the top group should they lose today. Texas-Dallas would land on the bubble but would still have a decent shot of getting in.

[David Collinge]

KnightSlappy do this, KnightSlappy do that...

Someday, your prince will come, dude.

RG   ##   WP      bSOS    bRPI    NAT   Pool   D3      RRO   CONFER   TEAM
GL   01   0.923   0.543   0.638   005   A      24-2    7-2   NCAC     Wooster
GL   02   0.760   0.555   0.606   024   C      19-6    2-4   MIAA     Hope
GL   03   0.741   0.541   0.591   041   C      20-7    3-5   NCAC     Ohio Wesleyan
GL   04   0.750   0.530   0.585   048   C      21-7    3-6   NCAC     Wittenberg
GL   05   0.720   0.538   0.583   051   C      18-7    0-4   OAC      Marietta
GL   06   0.692   0.545   0.582   052   C      18-8    4-5   NCAC     DePauw
GL   07   0.692   0.542   0.579   057   A      18-8    1-2   OAC      Wilmington

REALLY surprised to see OWU emerge from the weekend as the #3 GL team. Common sense dictates (to me, at least) that it would have been Wittenberg, who has a comparable SOS and record, one more RRO, and two wins over the Bishops. (And had a better weekend.) Also surprised to see Marietta still hanging around with a chance to reach the table. What a season it has been in Ohio.

[Titan Q]

My updated Pool C breakdown, now with numbers through last night - thanks KnightSlappy!

(Regional ranking noted is the most current - this will change in the final, super secret regional rankings)


Relevant games today
* Amherst (NESCAC) - .920/.579/8-0   Northeast #1   vs Williams, 12:00pm
* UW-Stevens Point (WIAC) - .962/.579/5-1    West #1   vs UW-Whitewater, 3:00pm
* St. Thomas (MIAC) - .846/.528/4-2   West #3   vs St. Olaf, 3:00pm
* Virginia Wesleyan (ODAC) - .769/.537/3-2   South #3   vs Hampden-Sydney, 3:30pm
* Centre** (SAA) - .864/.506/1-2   South #5   vs Oglethorpe, 1:00pm
* Texas-Dallas (ASC) - .889/.499/0-1   South #4   vs Hardin-Simmons, 3:00pm


Pool C candidates
---In safely:
1. Illinois Wesleyan* (CCIW) - .852/.560/8-3   Midwest #2
2. UW-Whitewater (WIAC) - .885/.564/4-1   West #2   vs UW-Stevens Point, 3:00pm
3. Williams (NESCAC) - .880/.555/4-2   Northeast #2    vs Amherst, 12:00pm
4. Wesley* (CAC) - .870/.529/5-0   Mid-Atlantic #3
5. Plattsburgh State* (SUNYAC) - .815/.553/4-4   East #2
6. Randolph-Macon* (ODAC) - .769/.559/4-3   South #1
7. Babson (NEWMAC)* - .769/.567/3-5   Northeast #3
8. Augustana* (CCIW) - .731/.555/5-4   Midwest #4
9. Eastern Connecticut* (LEC) - .786/.546/3-4   Northeast #4
10. Geneseo State* (SUNYAC) - .769/.554/2-4   East #3
11. WPI* (NEWMAC) - .846/.520/3-1  Northeast #5
12. Hope* (MIAA) - .760/.555/2-4   Great Lakes #2 
13. Carthage* (CCIW) - .625/.599/4-7   Midwest #6
14. Emory* (UAA) - .680/.591/4-5  South #2
15. DePauw* (NCAC) - .692/.545/4-5   Great Lakes #5
16. Wittenberg* (NCAC) - .750/.530/3-6   Great Lakes #6

---The Bubble (pick 3):
17. St. Olaf (MIAC) - .808/.543/1-5   West #4   vs St. Thomas, 3:00pm
18. Ohio Wesleyan* (NCAC) - .741/.541/3-5   Great Lakes #7
19. William Paterson* (NJAC) - .778/.528/4-3   Atlantic #4
--------------------
20. Springfield (NEWMAC) - .760/.564/2-4   Northeast #6   vs MIT, 1:00pm
21. Middlebury* (NESCAC) - .640/.562/3-6   Northeast #11
22. Dickinson* (CC) - .778/.529/2-1   Mid-Atlantic #4
23. Stevenson* (MACC) - .704/.531/4-3   Mid-Atlantic #5
24. Messiah* (MACC) - .760/.532/2-4   Mid-Atlantic #6

---Out:
25. Birmingham-Southern** (SAA) - .630/.553/4-3   South #6
26. Rutgers-Newark* (NJAC) - .704/.531/2-3   Atlantic #5
27. Staten Island* (CUNYAC) - .893/.486/0-0   Atlantic #3
28. Bowdoin* (NESCAC) - .792/.529/1-3   Northeast #7
29. Claremont-Mudd-Scripps* (SCIAC) - .818/.496/1-1  West #7
30. Pomona-Pitzer* (SCIAC) .750/.514/3-1   West #8
31. Bethany* (PrAC) - .800/.501/1-0   Great Lakes #3
32. Nichols* (CCC) - .786/.521/0-2   Northeast #9
33. Guilford* (ODAC) - .654/.525/1-6   South #7
34. St. Mary's* (CAC) - .667/.565/1-6   Mid-Atlantic #9
35. Augsburg* (MIAC) - .692/.517/1-4   West #9
36. NYU* (UAA) - .667/.546/0-6   East #6
37. Mount St. Mary* (Sky) - .778/.506/0-5   Atlantic #6
38. Mount Union* (OAC) - .769/.514/0-1   Great Lakes #4
39. Augsburg* (MIAC) - .692/.517/1-4   West #926.
40. Dubuque* (IIAC) - .783/.517/1-0   West #6
41. Chicago* (UAA) - .583/.582/4-7   Midwest #8
42. NYU (UAA)# - .667/.546/0-6   East #6
43. Skidmore* (LL) - .615/.532/2-4   East #6


* Teams that are done playing and officially Pool C candidates

** Pool B

[KnightSlappy]

KnightSlappy do this, KnightSlappy do that...

Someday, your prince will come, dude.

RG   ##   WP      bSOS    bRPI    NAT   Pool   D3      RRO   CONFER   TEAM
GL   01   0.923   0.543   0.638   005   A      24-2    7-2   NCAC     Wooster
GL   02   0.760   0.555   0.606   024   C      19-6    2-4   MIAA     Hope
GL   03   0.741   0.541   0.591   041   C      20-7    3-5   NCAC     Ohio Wesleyan
GL   04   0.750   0.530   0.585   048   C      21-7    3-6   NCAC     Wittenberg
GL   05   0.720   0.538   0.583   051   C      18-7    0-4   OAC      Marietta
GL   06   0.692   0.545   0.582   052   C      18-8    4-5   NCAC     DePauw
GL   07   0.692   0.542   0.579   057   A      18-8    1-2   OAC      Wilmington

REALLY surprised to see OWU emerge from the weekend as the #3 GL team. Common sense dictates (to me, at least) that it would have been Wittenberg, who has a comparable SOS and record, one more RRO, and two wins over the Bishops. (And had a better weekend.) Also surprised to see Marietta still hanging around with a chance to reach the table. What a season it has been in Ohio.

The order is only based on WP and SOS, so you have to adjust for head-to-head and vRRO. OWU should still stay behind Witt, and Marietta outside the rankings.

[sac]

The random D3 game watcher in me would like St. Olaf to make it, I really think that's a good team.

[David Collinge]

Ah, thanks, KS. So much about this I don't understand anymore.

[Greek Tragedy]

GREEN is Pool A bid/#1 seed/Conference leader

RED POOL C

TEAM-ATLANTIC	RECORD	CON	SCHEDULE
SUNY-Purchase	23-2, 23-2	SKY	WON vs SUNY-Old Westbury 88-73; WON vs Mount St. Mary 100-82 in Final
Richard Stockton	21-4, 21-4	NJAC	WON vs Kean 64-63; WON vs William Paterson 65-44 in Final
Staten Island	24-2, 24-2	CUNYAC	WON vs Hunter 92-74; LOST vs York (N.Y.) 87-84 in Final
William Paterson	20-5, 20-5	NJAC	WON vs Rutgers-Newark 75-66; LOST vs Richard Stockton 65-44 in Final
Rutgers-Newark	19-7, 19-7	NJAC	LOST at William Paterson 75-66 in semifinal
Mt. St. Mary (N.Y.)	20-5, 20-5	SKY	WON vs Farmingdale State 95-75; LOST vs SUNY-Purchase 100-82 in Final
TEAM-EAST	RECORD	CON	SCHEDULE
Brockport State	21-3, 22-3	SUNYAC	WON vs Oswego 77-56; WON vs Plattsburgh State 57-56 in Final
Plattsburgh State	21-4, 21-4	SUNYAC	WON vs Geneseo 73-69; LOST vs Brockport State 57-56 in Final
Geneseo State	19-5, 20-5	SUNYAC	WON vs Oneonta State 79-67; LOST vs Plattsburgh St. 73-69 in semifinal
Hobart	19-6, 19-6	LL	WON vs Clarkson 78-69 OT; WON vs Vassar 75-74 2OT in Final
NYU	16-8, 16-8	UAA	at Brandeis 3/2
Skidmore	16-9, 16-9	LL	LOST to Vassar 66-62 in LL semifinal
TEAM-GREAT-LAKES	RECORD	CON	SCHEDULE
Wooster	21-2, 22-3	NCAC	WON vs. Oberlin 89-56; WONvs Ohio Wesleyan 78-67; WON vs Wittenberg in 71-63 Final
Hope	18-5, 19-6	MIAA	WON vs Trine 65-62 OT; LOST vs Calvin 78-53 in Final
Bethany	20-4, 21-4	PAC	LOST vs Geneva 61-59 in quarterfinals
Mount Union	20-5, 20-5	OAC	LOST John Carroll 83-81 in semifinal
DePauw	17-7, 18-7	NCAC	WON vs Wabash 73-59; LOST vs Wittenberg 63-61 in semifinal 2/28
Wittenberg	19-6, 19-6	NCAC	WON vs Denison 64-49; WON vs DePauw 63-61; LOST vs Wooster 71-63 in Final
Ohio Wesleyan	19-6, 19-6	NCAC	WON vs Kenyon 78-67; LOST vs Wooster 78-67 in semifinal
TEAM-MIDDLE-ATLANTIC	RECORD	CON	SCHEDULE
Cabrini	23-1, 23-1	CSAC	WON vs Rosemont 109-97; WON vs Neumann 96-79 in Final
Scranton	22-3, 22-3	LAND	WON vs Merchant Marine 82-64; WON vs Susquechanna 71-56 in Final 3/1
Wesley	20-2, 22-2	CAC	LOST vs Christopher Newport 59-54 in semifinal
Dickinson	20-5, 20-5	CC	WON vs McDaniel 77-63; LOST vs Johns Hopkins 60-55 in Final
Stevenson	18-7, 18-7	MACC	WON vs Hood 83-72; LOST vs Alvernia 70-69 in Final
Messiah	19-5, 19-5	MACC	LOST vs Alvernia 81-77 in MACC semifinal
Alvernia	18-7, 18-7	MACC	WON vs Messiah 81-77; WON vs Stevenson 70-69 in Final
Mary Washington	18-5, 20-5	CAC	WON  St. Mary's (Md.) 70-65; WON vs Christopher Newport 65-48 in Final 3/1
St. Mary's (Md.)	15-7, 18-7	CAC	LOST vs Mary Washington 70-65 in semifinal
TEAM-MIDWEST	RECORD	CON	SCHEDULE
Washington U.	22-2, 22-2	UAA	WON at Chicago 86-73
Illinois Wesleyan	22-3, 22-3	CCIW	WON vs Carthage 76-71; LOST vs Wheaton 87-66 in Final
Wheaton (Ill.)	17-8, 17-8	CCIW	WON vs Augustana 66-55; WON vs Illinois Wesleyan 87-66 in Final
Augustana	19-6, 19-6	CCIW	LOST vs Wheaton (IL) 66-55 in semifinal
St. Norbert	21-1, 22-1	MWC	WON vs Carroll; WONvs Grinnell in Final 99-86
Carthage	15-8, 16-9	CCIW	LOST at Illinois Wesleyan 76-71 in semifinal
Rose-Hulman	20-5, 20-5	HCAC	WON vs Mount St. Joseph 68-54; WON vs Hanover 70-56 in Final
Chicago	14-9, 15-9	UAA	LOST vs Washington U. 86-73
TEAM-NORTHEAST	RECORD	CON	SCHEDULE
Amherst	22-3, 22-3	NESCAC	WON vs Trinity (CT) 80-62; vs Williams in Final 3/2
Williams	21-3, 22-3	NESCAC	WON vs Middlebury 78-75; vs Amherst in Final 3/2
Babson	20-5, 20-5	NEWMAC	LOST vs Springfield 85-77 OTin semifinal
Eastern Connecticut	20-5, 20-5	LEC	WON vs Mass-Boston 61-55; WON vs Western Connecticut 88-75; LOST vs RIC 70-61 in Final
WPI	22-3, 22-3	NEWMAC	LOST vs MIT 64-46 in semifinal 3/1
Springfield	18-6, 19-6	NEWMAC	WON vs Babson 85-77 OT; vs MIT in Final 3/2
Bowdoin	19-5, 19-5	NESCAC	LOST to Trinity (Conn.) 71-67 3OT in semifinal
Albertus Magnus	23-1, 23-2	GNAC	WON vs Norwich 87-69; WON vs Lasell 91-72; WON vs St. Joseph's (Me.) 84-49 in Final 3/1
Nichols	20-5, 20-5	CCC	WON vs Western New England 73-54; WON vs Salva Regina 83-80 OT; LOST vs Gordon 69-65 in Final 3/1
Rhode Island College	17-8, 17-8	LEC	WON vs Southern Maine 74-66; WON vs Mass-Dartmouth 82-69; WON vs Eastern Connecticut 70-61 in Final
Middlebury	16-8, 17-8	NESCAC	LOST vs Williams 78-75 in semifinal
TEAM-SOUTH	RECORD	CON	SCHEDULE
Randolph-Macon	20-5, 20-5	ODAC	LOST vs Hampden-Sydney 68-55 in quarterfinal
Emory	17-7, 17-7	UAA	LOST at Rochester 97-83
Virgina Wesleyan	18-6, 19-6	ODAC	WON vs Bridgewater 91-70; WON vs Washington and Lee 74-60; vs Hampden-Sydney in Final 3/2
Texas-Dallas	22-3, 22-3	ASC	WON vs East Texas Baptist 80-65; WON vs Texas-Tyler 103-83; vs Hardin-Simmons in Final 3/2
Centre	17-3, 20-4	SAA	WON vs Berry 77-60; WON vs Rhodes 64-61; vs Olgethorpe in Final 3/2
Birmingham-Southern	16-9, 16-9	SAA	WON vs Hendrix 77-62; LOST vs Oglethorpe 72-70
Guilford	17-8, 17-8	ODAC	LOST vs Washington and Lee 77-70 in quarterfinal
Trinity (TX)	16-9, 16-9	SCAC	WON vs Texas Lutheran 78-65; vs WON Colorado College 64-48;vs Centenary in Final 3/2
TEAM-WEST	RECORD	CON	SCHEDULE
UW-Stevens Point	24-1, 24-1	WIAC	WON vs Platteville 66-47; vs Whitewater in Final 3/2
UW-Whitewater	22-3, 22-3	WIAC	WON vs La Crosse i76-73; at Stevens Point in Final 3/2
St. Thomas	21-4, 21-4	MIAC	WON vs Bethel 74-59; vs St. Olaf in Final 3/2
St. Olaf	20-5, 20-5	MIAC	WON vs Gustavus Adolphus 66-53; vs St. Thomas in Final 3/2
Whitworth	20-5, 20-5	NWC	WON vs Lewis and Clark 87-62; WON vs Puget Sound 71-68 in Final
Dubuque	18-4, 21-4	IIAC	LOST vs Luther 87-83 in semifinal
C-M-S	17-3, 19-5	SCIAC	LOST vs Cal Lutheran 54-53 in semifinal
Pomona-Pitzer	18-5, 18-7	SCIAC	LOST vs Chapman 69-54 in semifinal
Augsburg	18-7, 18-7	MIAC	LOST vs Bethel 70-67 in quarterfinal