Pool C

[Greek Tragedy]

I guess this would be old news by now! None-the-less....

ALL GAMES FINAL

GREEN is Pool A bid/#1 seed/Conference leader

RED POOL C

TEAM-ATLANTIC	RECORD	CON	SCHEDULE
1. SUNY-Purchase	23-2, 23-2	SKY	WON vs SUNY-Old Westbury 88-73; WON vs Mount St. Mary 100-82 in Final
2. Richard Stockton	21-4, 21-4	NJAC	WON vs Kean 64-63; WON vs William Paterson 65-44 in Final
3. Staten Island	24-2, 24-2	CUNYAC	WON vs Hunter 92-74; LOST vs York (N.Y.) 87-84 in Final
4. William Paterson	20-5, 20-5	NJAC	WON vs Rutgers-Newark 75-66; LOST vs Richard Stockton 65-44 in Final
5. Rutgers-Newark	19-7, 19-7	NJAC	LOST at William Paterson 75-66 in semifinal
6. Mt. St. Mary (N.Y.)	20-5, 20-5	SKY	WON vs Farmingdale State 95-75; LOST vs SUNY-Purchase 100-82 in Final
TEAM-EAST	RECORD	CON	SCHEDULE
1. Brockport State	21-3, 22-3	SUNYAC	WON vs Oswego 77-56; WON vs Plattsburgh State 57-56 in Final
2. Plattsburgh State	21-4, 21-4	SUNYAC	WON vs Geneseo 73-69; LOST vs Brockport State 57-56 in Final
3. Geneseo State	19-5, 20-5	SUNYAC	WON vs Oneonta State 79-67; LOST vs Plattsburgh St. 73-69 in semifinal
4. Hobart	19-6, 19-6	LL	WON vs Clarkson 78-69 OT; WON vs Vassar 75-74 2OT in Final
5. NYU	16-8, 16-8	UAA	LOST at Brandeis 92-53
6. Skidmore	16-9, 16-9	LL	LOST to Vassar 66-62 in LL semifinal
TEAM-GREAT-LAKES	RECORD	CON	SCHEDULE
1. Wooster	21-2, 22-3	NCAC	WON vs. Oberlin 89-56; WONvs Ohio Wesleyan 78-67; WON vs Wittenberg in 71-63 Final
2. Hope	18-5, 19-6	MIAA	WON vs Trine 65-62 OT; LOST vs Calvin 78-53 in Final
3.Bethany	20-4, 21-4	PAC	LOST vs Geneva 61-59 in quarterfinals
4. Mount Union	20-5, 20-5	OAC	LOST John Carroll 83-81 in semifinal
5. DePauw	17-7, 18-7	NCAC	WON vs Wabash 73-59; LOST vs Wittenberg 63-61 in semifinal 2/28
6. Wittenberg	19-6, 19-6	NCAC	WON vs Denison 64-49; WON vs DePauw 63-61; LOST vs Wooster 71-63 in Final
7. Ohio Wesleyan	19-6, 19-6	NCAC	WON vs Kenyon 78-67; LOST vs Wooster 78-67 in semifinal
TEAM-MIDDLE-ATLANTIC	RECORD	CON	SCHEDULE
1. Cabrini	23-1, 23-1	CSAC	WON vs Rosemont 109-97; WON vs Neumann 96-79 in Final
2. Scranton	22-3, 22-3	LAND	WON vs Merchant Marine 82-64; WON vs Susquechanna 71-56 in Final 3/1
3.Wesley	20-2, 22-2	CAC	LOST vs Christopher Newport 59-54 in semifinal
4. Dickinson	20-5, 20-5	CC	WON vs McDaniel 77-63; LOST vs Johns Hopkins 60-55 in Final
5. Stevenson	18-7, 18-7	MACC	WON vs Hood 83-72; LOST vs Alvernia 70-69 in Final
6. Messiah	19-5, 19-5	MACC	LOST vs Alvernia 81-77 in MACC semifinal
7. Alvernia	18-7, 18-7	MACC	WON vs Messiah 81-77; WON vs Stevenson 70-69 in Final
8. Mary Washington	18-5, 20-5	CAC	WON  St. Mary's (Md.) 70-65; WON vs Christopher Newport 65-48 in Final 3/1
9. St. Mary's (Md.)	15-7, 18-7	CAC	LOST vs Mary Washington 70-65 in semifinal
TEAM-MIDWEST	RECORD	CON	SCHEDULE
1. Washington U.	22-2, 22-2	UAA	WON at Chicago 86-73
2. Illinois Wesleyan	22-3, 22-3	CCIW	WON vs Carthage 76-71; LOST vs Wheaton 87-66 in Final
3. Wheaton (Ill.)	17-8, 17-8	CCIW	WON vs Augustana 66-55; WON vs Illinois Wesleyan 87-66 in Final
4. Augustana	19-6, 19-6	CCIW	LOST vs Wheaton (IL) 66-55 in semifinal
5. St. Norbert	21-1, 22-1	MWC	WON vs Carroll; WONvs Grinnell in Final 99-86
6. Carthage	15-8, 16-9	CCIW	LOST at Illinois Wesleyan 76-71 in semifinal
7. Rose-Hulman	20-5, 20-5	HCAC	WON vs Mount St. Joseph 68-54; WON vs Hanover 70-56 in Final
8. Chicago	14-9, 15-9	UAA	LOST vs Washington U. 86-73
TEAM-NORTHEAST	RECORD	CON	SCHEDULE
1. Amherst	22-3, 22-3	NESCAC	WON vs Trinity (CT) 80-62; WON vs Williams 93-82 in Final
2. Williams	21-3, 22-3	NESCAC	WON vs Middlebury 78-75; LOST vs Amherst 93-82 in Final
3. Babson	20-5, 20-5	NEWMAC	LOST vs Springfield 85-77 OTin semifinal
4. Eastern Connecticut	20-5, 20-5	LEC	WON vs Mass-Boston 61-55; WON vs Western Connecticut 88-75; LOST vs RIC 70-61 in Final
5. WPI	22-3, 22-3	NEWMAC	LOST vs MIT 64-46 in semifinal 3/1
6. Springfield	18-6, 19-6	NEWMAC	WON vs Babson 85-77 OT; LOST vs MIT 67-56 in Final
7. Bowdoin	19-5, 19-5	NESCAC	LOST to Trinity (Conn.) 71-67 3OT in semifinal
8. Albertus Magnus	23-1, 23-2	GNAC	WON vs Norwich 87-69; WON vs Lasell 91-72; WON vs St. Joseph's (Me.) 84-49 in Final 3/1
9. Nichols	20-5, 20-5	CCC	WON vs Western New England 73-54; WON vs Salva Regina 83-80 OT; LOST vs Gordon 69-65 in Final 3/1
10. Rhode Island College	17-8, 17-8	LEC	WON vs Southern Maine 74-66; WON vs Mass-Dartmouth 82-69; WON vs Eastern Connecticut 70-61 in Final
11. Middlebury	16-8, 17-8	NESCAC	LOST vs Williams 78-75 in semifinal
TEAM-SOUTH	RECORD	CON	SCHEDULE
1. Randolph-Macon	20-5, 20-5	ODAC	LOST vs Hampden-Sydney 68-55 in quarterfinal
2. Emory	17-7, 17-7	UAA	LOST at Rochester 97-83
3. Virgina Wesleyan	18-6, 19-6	ODAC	WON vs Bridgewater 91-70; WON vs Washington and Lee 74-60; WON vs Hampden-Sydney 77-74 in Final
4. Texas-Dallas	22-3, 22-3	ASC	WON vs East Texas Baptist 80-65; WON vs Texas-Tyler 103-83; WON vs Hardin-Simmons 78-69 in Final
5. Centre	17-3, 20-4	SAA	WON vs Berry 77-60; WON vs Rhodes 64-61; WON vs Olgethorpe 76-75 OT in Final
6. Birmingham-Southern	16-9, 16-9	SAA	WON vs Hendrix 77-62; LOST vs Oglethorpe 72-70
7. Guilford	17-8, 17-8	ODAC	LOST vs Washington and Lee 77-70 in quarterfinal
8. Trinity (TX)	16-9, 16-9	SCAC	WON vs Texas Lutheran 78-65; vs WON Colorado College 64-48; WON vs Centenary 82-70 in Final
TEAM-WEST	RECORD	CON	SCHEDULE
1. UW-Stevens Point	24-1, 24-1	WIAC	WON vs Platteville 66-47; WON vs Whitewater 74-57 in Final
2. UW-Whitewater	22-3, 22-3	WIAC	WON vs La Crosse 76-73; LOST at Stevens Point 74-57 in Final
3. St. Thomas	21-4, 21-4	MIAC	WON vs Bethel 74-59; LOST vs St. Olaf 63-53 in Final
4. St. Olaf	20-5, 20-5	MIAC	WON vs Gustavus Adolphus 66-53; WON vs St. Thomas 63-53 in Final
5. Whitworth	20-5, 20-5	NWC	WON vs Lewis and Clark 87-62; WON vs Puget Sound 71-68 in Final
6. Dubuque	18-4, 21-4	IIAC	LOST vs Luther 87-83 in semifinal
7. C-M-S	17-3, 19-5	SCIAC	LOST vs Cal Lutheran 54-53 in semifinal
8. Pomona-Pitzer	18-5, 18-7	SCIAC	LOST vs Chapman 69-54 in semifinal
9. Augsburg	18-7, 18-7	MIAC	LOST vs Bethel 70-67 in quarterfinal

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[Greek Tragedy]

I guess this would be old news by now! None-the-less....

ALL GAMES FINAL


JUST POOL C TEAMS LISTED

TEAM-ATLANTIC	RECORD	CON	SCHEDULE
3. Staten Island	24-2, 24-2	CUNYAC	WON vs Hunter 92-74; LOST vs York (N.Y.) 87-84 in Final
4. William Paterson	20-5, 20-5	NJAC	WON vs Rutgers-Newark 75-66; LOST vs Richard Stockton 65-44 in Final
5. Rutgers-Newark	19-7, 19-7	NJAC	LOST at William Paterson 75-66 in semifinal
6. Mt. St. Mary (N.Y.)	20-5, 20-5	SKY	WON vs Farmingdale State 95-75; LOST vs SUNY-Purchase 100-82 in Final
TEAM-EAST	RECORD	CON	SCHEDULE
2. Plattsburgh State	21-4, 21-4	SUNYAC	WON vs Geneseo 73-69; LOST vs Brockport State 57-56 in Final
3. Geneseo State	19-5, 20-5	SUNYAC	WON vs Oneonta State 79-67; LOST vs Plattsburgh St. 73-69 in semifinal
5. NYU	16-8, 16-8	UAA	LOST at Brandeis 92-53
6. Skidmore	16-9, 16-9	LL	LOST to Vassar 66-62 in LL semifinal
TEAM-GREAT-LAKES	RECORD	CON	SCHEDULE
2. Hope	18-5, 19-6	MIAA	WON vs Trine 65-62 OT; LOST vs Calvin 78-53 in Final
3.Bethany	20-4, 21-4	PAC	LOST vs Geneva 61-59 in quarterfinals
4. Mount Union	20-5, 20-5	OAC	LOST John Carroll 83-81 in semifinal
5. DePauw	17-7, 18-7	NCAC	WON vs Wabash 73-59; LOST vs Wittenberg 63-61 in semifinal 2/28
6. Wittenberg	19-6, 19-6	NCAC	WON vs Denison 64-49; WON vs DePauw 63-61; LOST vs Wooster 71-63 in Final
7. Ohio Wesleyan	19-6, 19-6	NCAC	WON vs Kenyon 78-67; LOST vs Wooster 78-67 in semifinal
TEAM-MIDDLE-ATLANTIC	RECORD	CON	SCHEDULE
3.Wesley	20-2, 22-2	CAC	LOST vs Christopher Newport 59-54 in semifinal
4. Dickinson	20-5, 20-5	CC	WON vs McDaniel 77-63; LOST vs Johns Hopkins 60-55 in Final
5. Stevenson	18-7, 18-7	MACC	WON vs Hood 83-72; LOST vs Alvernia 70-69 in Final
6. Messiah	19-5, 19-5	MACC	LOST vs Alvernia 81-77 in MACC semifinal
9. St. Mary's (Md.)	15-7, 18-7	CAC	LOST vs Mary Washington 70-65 in semifinal
TEAM-MIDWEST	RECORD	CON	SCHEDULE
2. Illinois Wesleyan	22-3, 22-3	CCIW	WON vs Carthage 76-71; LOST vs Wheaton 87-66 in Final
4. Augustana	19-6, 19-6	CCIW	LOST vs Wheaton (IL) 66-55 in semifinal
6. Carthage	15-8, 16-9	CCIW	LOST at Illinois Wesleyan 76-71 in semifinal
8. Chicago	14-9, 15-9	UAA	LOST vs Washington U. 86-73
TEAM-NORTHEAST	RECORD	CON	SCHEDULE
2. Williams	21-3, 22-3	NESCAC	WON vs Middlebury 78-75; LOST vs Amherst 93-82 in Final
3. Babson	20-5, 20-5	NEWMAC	LOST vs Springfield 85-77 OTin semifinal
4. Eastern Connecticut	20-5, 20-5	LEC	WON vs Mass-Boston 61-55; WON vs Western Connecticut 88-75; LOST vs RIC 70-61 in Final
5. WPI	22-3, 22-3	NEWMAC	LOST vs MIT 64-46 in semifinal 3/1
6. Springfield	18-6, 19-6	NEWMAC	WON vs Babson 85-77 OT; LOST vs MIT 67-56 in Final
7. Bowdoin	19-5, 19-5	NESCAC	LOST to Trinity (Conn.) 71-67 3OT in semifinal
9. Nichols	20-5, 20-5	CCC	WON vs Western New England 73-54; WON vs Salva Regina 83-80 OT; LOST vs Gordon 69-65 in Final 3/1
11. Middlebury	16-8, 17-8	NESCAC	LOST vs Williams 78-75 in semifinal
TEAM-SOUTH	RECORD	CON	SCHEDULE
1. Randolph-Macon	20-5, 20-5	ODAC	LOST vs Hampden-Sydney 68-55 in quarterfinal
2. Emory	17-7, 17-7	UAA	LOST at Rochester 97-83
6. Birmingham-Southern	16-9, 16-9	SAA	WON vs Hendrix 77-62; LOST vs Oglethorpe 72-70
7. Guilford	17-8, 17-8	ODAC	LOST vs Washington and Lee 77-70 in quarterfinal
TEAM-WEST	RECORD	CON	SCHEDULE
2. UW-Whitewater	22-3, 22-3	WIAC	WON vs La Crosse 76-73; LOST at Stevens Point 74-57 in Final
3. St. Thomas	21-4, 21-4	MIAC	WON vs Bethel 74-59; LOST vs St. Olaf 63-53 in Final
6. Dubuque	18-4, 21-4	IIAC	LOST vs Luther 87-83 in semifinal
7. C-M-S	17-3, 19-5	SCIAC	LOST vs Cal Lutheran 54-53 in semifinal
8. Pomona-Pitzer	18-5, 18-7	SCIAC	LOST vs Chapman 69-54 in semifinal
9. Augsburg	18-7, 18-7	MIAC	LOST vs Bethel 70-67 in quarterfinal

[bopol]

My guess at the regional rankings:

ATL
1. Suny-Purchase (A)
2. Richard Stockton (A)
3. William Paterson
4. Staten Island
5. Rutgers-Newark
6. Mt. St Mary

* only WP and SI switch places.

East

1. Brockport St (A)
2. Plattsburg St
3. Geneseo St.
4. Hobart (A)
5. NYU
6. Vassar

* Skidmore drops out; Vassar gets into the Top 6

Great Lakes
1. Wooster (A)
2. Hope
3. Wittenberg
4. Ohio Wesleyan
5. DePauw
6. Bethany
7. Mount Union

This one has massive movement, so it justifies an explaination.  First Bethany and Mount Union don't have much going for either (Bethany beat Mount Union in both team's only game against RRO).  So, dropping out of their respective tournaments early means the drop is justified.  Wittenberg moves ahead of DePauw based on beating them in the semis of the NCAC tournament, taking away the benefit of the DePauw regular season sweep of Wittenberg.  Now, OWU gets ahead of DePauw because I am hard pressed to find enough of a reason to that DePauw can overcome the extra loss.

Mid Atlantic:

1. Cabrini (A)
2. Scranton (A)
3. Wesley
4. Alvernia (A)
5. Mary Washington (A)
6. Stevenson
7. Dickinson
8. Messiah
9. St Marys

Ok, this is a biggie.  After looking closely, I think Dickinson end up 1-1 vs. RRO since Guilford is going to drop out, but I think Stevenson is going to end up 4-4 vs. RRO because Oglethorpe will drop in and Messiah will be 1-4 (Guilford).  So, Stevenson, despite the worse record and similar RRO moves ahead of Dickinson and Messiah is in deep deep trouble.  I actually very much want to move Chris Newport in, but they lost twice to St. Marys.

Midwest:
1. Wash U (A)
2. IWU
3. Wheaton (A)
4. Augustana
5. St Norbert (A)
6. Carthage
7. Rose Holman (A)
8. Chicago

Basically, nothing changes.  I think Chicago sticks at the end of the RR, even though one could make an argument for Marian who is Pool A anyway.

Northeast:
1. Amherst (A)
2. William
3. Babson
4. Eastern Conn
5. WPI
6. Albertus Magnus (A)
7. Springfield
8. Bowdoin
9. Rhode Island College (A)
10. Nichols
11. Middlebury

Really wasn't much reason to move teams around given that there weren't massive upsets that really made you rethink ordering (WPI and E Conn lost; so why shuffle what was there last week?)

South:
1. Randolph Macon
2. Virginia Wesleyan (A)
3. Centre (B)
4. Texas Dallas (A)
5. Emory
6. Trinity (A)
7. Birmingham Southern
8. Oglethorpe

I put Oglethorpe back in and took out Guilford, which has some effects in Mid-Atlantic.

West:
1. UWSP (A)
2. UWW
3. St Thomas
4. St. Olaf (A)
5. Whitworth (A)
6. Central (A)
7. Dubuque
8. CMS
9. Pomona Pitzer

* The end of this one is a mess, with Dubuque in free fall and CMS and PP getting dumped early in the tournament.  That said, the effects on others is minimal.

[Titan Q]

I put Oglethorpe back in

This would really help Birmingham-Southern and put them in the mix down at the very end of the bubble.

[sac]

Great Lakes
1. Wooster (A)
2. Hope
3. Wittenberg
4. Ohio Wesleyan
5. DePauw
6. Bethany
7. Mount Union

This one has massive movement, so it justifies an explaination.  First Bethany and Mount Union don't have much going for either (Bethany beat Mount Union in both team's only game against RRO).  So, dropping out of their respective tournaments early means the drop is justified.  Wittenberg moves ahead of DePauw based on beating them in the semis of the NCAC tournament, taking away the benefit of the DePauw regular season sweep of Wittenberg.  Now, OWU gets ahead of DePauw because I am hard pressed to find enough of a reason to that DePauw can overcome the extra loss.

I actually like Wilmington and Calvin over Bethany.

[bopol]

My FINAL Pool C Picks:

1. IWU
2. UWW
3. Williams
4. Wesley
5. Plattsburgh St
6. Randolph Macon
7. Babson
8. St. Thomas
9. Eastern Conn
10. Augustana
11. Geneseo St
12. WPI
13. Hope
14. William Paterson
* Point where this got really hard*
15. Emory
16. Carthage
17. Stevenson
18. Wittenberg
19. OWU

Left on Board: Staten Island (didn't think I'd do that, but I just did), NYU, Dickinson, Chicago, Springfield (man, I wanted to pull the trigger on them starting at 16 or so and then never did), Birmingham Southern and Dubuque.

I could see any of the last 4 being substituted with Springfield, DePauw and Staten Island.  Messiah doesn't have a chance now, neither does Bowdoin. 

[bopol]

I put Oglethorpe back in

This would really help Birmingham-Southern and put them in the mix down at the very end of the bubble.

Yep, but their SOS is such that I never got that close to pulling the trigger.

[bopol]

Great Lakes
1. Wooster (A)
2. Hope
3. Wittenberg
4. Ohio Wesleyan
5. DePauw
6. Bethany
7. Mount Union

This one has massive movement, so it justifies an explaination.  First Bethany and Mount Union don't have much going for either (Bethany beat Mount Union in both team's only game against RRO).  So, dropping out of their respective tournaments early means the drop is justified.  Wittenberg moves ahead of DePauw based on beating them in the semis of the NCAC tournament, taking away the benefit of the DePauw regular season sweep of Wittenberg.  Now, OWU gets ahead of DePauw because I am hard pressed to find enough of a reason to that DePauw can overcome the extra loss.

I actually like Wilmington and Calvin over Bethany.

Wilmington maybe, but Calvin has such a poor SOS, I can't see that happening.

[sac]

Great Lakes
1. Wooster (A)
2. Hope
3. Wittenberg
4. Ohio Wesleyan
5. DePauw
6. Bethany
7. Mount Union

This one has massive movement, so it justifies an explaination.  First Bethany and Mount Union don't have much going for either (Bethany beat Mount Union in both team's only game against RRO).  So, dropping out of their respective tournaments early means the drop is justified.  Wittenberg moves ahead of DePauw based on beating them in the semis of the NCAC tournament, taking away the benefit of the DePauw regular season sweep of Wittenberg.  Now, OWU gets ahead of DePauw because I am hard pressed to find enough of a reason to that DePauw can overcome the extra loss.

I actually like Wilmington and Calvin over Bethany.

Wilmington maybe, but Calvin has such a poor SOS, I can't see that happening.

Calvin is a perfect example of how SOS tells you absolutely nothing about them.

[bopol]

Great Lakes
1. Wooster (A)
2. Hope
3. Wittenberg
4. Ohio Wesleyan
5. DePauw
6. Bethany
7. Mount Union

This one has massive movement, so it justifies an explaination.  First Bethany and Mount Union don't have much going for either (Bethany beat Mount Union in both team's only game against RRO).  So, dropping out of their respective tournaments early means the drop is justified.  Wittenberg moves ahead of DePauw based on beating them in the semis of the NCAC tournament, taking away the benefit of the DePauw regular season sweep of Wittenberg.  Now, OWU gets ahead of DePauw because I am hard pressed to find enough of a reason to that DePauw can overcome the extra loss.

I actually like Wilmington and Calvin over Bethany.

Wilmington maybe, but Calvin has such a poor SOS, I can't see that happening.

Calvin is a perfect example of how SOS tells you absolutely nothing about them.

Don't disagree, but I don't see them being regionally ranked (though I would love it as a Carthage fan).

[bopol]

Final Bracket (first team in 4 team pod hosts and play team right below it, with the other first round game between the bottom 2 teams)

Bracket I (Wheaton now gets to host at the expense of St Thomas)

UWSP
bye
Carthage
St Thomas

Wheaton
Northwestern (MN)
Marian
St Norbert

UT - Dallas
Chapman
Trinity
Whitworth

UWW
Central
Calvin
St Olaf

Bracket 2: (In a way, IWU is the winner here as the 2nd weekend games will probably end up in Bloomington)

Wash U
bye
Rose Holman
Augustana

Centre
La Grange
Emory
Wittenberg

Wooster
Penn St Behrand
Wilmington
Geneseo St

IWU
Webster
OWU
Hope

Bracket 3: (2nd weekend in Cabrini or Scranton)

Cabrini
Morrisville St
York
Richard Stockton

Randolph - Macon
Johns Hopkins
Stevenson
Mary Washington

Scranton
St Vincent
Rhode Island College
Virginia Wesleyan

SUNY - Purchase
DeSales
Alvernia
Wesley

Bracket IV (heading toward 2nd weekend in Amherst or Brockport)

Amhurst
Bridgewater St.
mit
Wlliam Patterson

Plattsburgh St.
Gordon
Husson
Babson

Williams
Mitchell
Albertus Magnus
WPI

Brockport St
Hartwick
Hobert
eastern conn

Ok, that's all.  I need to start doing work again tomorrow.

[Pat Coleman]

Huh -- are we all alone out here with Christopher Newport?

Christopher Newport 17-9 .654 .571 5-5

If we're putting in Carthage, pretty sure we also get CNU in.

[algernon]

Huh -- are we all alone out here with Christopher Newport?

Christopher Newport 17-9 .654 .571 5-5

If we're putting in Carthage, pretty sure we also get CNU in.

Why do you have CNU ahead of St. Mary's in your final regional ranking?

[northb]

I actually like Wilmington and Calvin over Bethany.

Welcome to the dark side, Sac

[CCHoopster]

Huh -- are we all alone out here with Christopher Newport?

Christopher Newport 17-9 .654 .571 5-5

If we're putting in Carthage, pretty sure we also get CNU in.

Yes, on an island.