Pool C

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North Central's SOS is slightly better than Elmhurst. But Elmhurst has 2 less losses and beat NCC twice.  They also have a better vRRO than NCC (4-2 vs 3-5).

Despite Elmhurst being ranked below IWU (17-7 D3 record) and NCC (15-7 D3 record), I would Elmhurst think has the best shot at Pool C. And they are already 1-0 against IWU with two to play. But that's just me, and I'm not an expert on this Pool C stuff, nor have I ever played one on TV.

The CCIW Pool C picture became very complicated with IWU's loss to North Park.  Its possible they play themselves out of a third slot and even possible 4 get in.    The semi-final loser between IWU/Elmhurst is in some trouble probably.  They all have good resume's except the w% relative to everyone else.

Hasn't committee been inconsistent in dealing with the vRRO in the past? Dealt positively with some teams that have a 1-0 vRRO compared to other teams that have many more regionally ranked teams... And then penalizing a team that had roughly the same number of losses as wins (5-5, for example) because they had the 5 losses?

We heard from one coach who stated he felt a 2-1 should be considered better than a 5-5 based on the entire resume and as he said looking at the fact most of those results came in a conference who had other teams ranked... it doesn't necessarily jive with what others said in that same region or nationally.

I think they look at the "results" which means they don't take a number or a winning percentage and automatically decide what that means. They look at who the wins were against, who the losses were against, what those scores where (in the sense where the games close), etc., etc., etc. and use that information as best as possible. There is no absolutes in that criteria which gives them room to better understand the information.

I can't say whether they have been consistent because it is hard to determine that, but the comments of one person don't necessarily reveal the ideas of all.

Under the guise of "results" as Dave noted, it seems to me a "when" component could also be used in looking at this criterion. For instance, maybe a 3-3 looks better if the last three were wins instead of a 3-3 in which the last three games were losses.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

All part of looking at the results... yes.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

To follow up... the regional rankings will still be released on Thursday this week despite the NCAA stat computers coming back online a day earlier than expected this weekend.

[Greek Tragedy]

Some big games this week involving last week's regional rankings teams with most conferences finishing up their regular season schedules.

GREAT LAKES
#4 CWR hosts Emory (South #3) 2/20
#7 Mount Union travels to #8 John Carroll 2/18

NORTHEAST
#9 Bowdoin hosts #11 Williams in a non conference tilt 2/21

SOUTH
#2 VWU hosts #8 Guilford 2/21
#3 Emory travels to CWR (GL #4) 2/20

WEST
#1 St. Thomas beat #2 St. Olaf last night
#4 Buena Vista heads to #5 Dubuque 2/18

ATLANTIC
#3 Baruch travels to #4 Brooklyn tonight

CENTRAL
#4 Washington U. hosts NYU (#5 East) 2/20
#5 IWU welcomes #7 Elmhurst 2/21

MID-ATLANTIC
#2 Catholic travels to #4 Scranton 2/21
#3 Dickinson heads to #5 Franklin and Marshall 2/21

EAST
#4 Clarkson visits #6 Skidmore 2/22
#5 NYU TRAVELS TO Washington U. (#4 Central) 2/20

[FCGrizzliesGrad]

Some big games this week involving last week's regional rankings teams with most conferences finishing up their regular season schedules.

CENTRAL
#4 Washington U. hosts NYU (#5 East) 2/20

EAST
#5 NYU hosts Washington U. (#4 Central) 2/20

I know they travel a lot in the UAA but that seems excessive

[Greek Tragedy]

Some big games this week involving last week's regional rankings teams with most conferences finishing up their regular season schedules.

CENTRAL
#4 Washington U. hosts NYU (#5 East) 2/20

EAST
#5 NYU hosts Washington U. (#4 Central) 2/20

I know they travel a lot in the UAA but that seems excessive

It's a split squad. 

[Greek Tragedy]

Brooklyn topped Burach

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Some big games this week involving last week's regional rankings teams with most conferences finishing up their regular season schedules.

CENTRAL
#4 Washington U. hosts NYU (#5 East) 2/20

EAST
#5 NYU hosts Washington U. (#4 Central) 2/20

I know they travel a lot in the UAA but that seems excessive

It's a split squad. 

ROFL... well done by all parties!

[gordonmann]

NORTHEAST
#9 Bowdoin hosts #11 Williams in a non conference tilt 2/21

That's the first round of the NESCAC tournament.

[Greek Tragedy]

NORTHEAST
#9 Bowdoin hosts #11 Williams in a non conference tilt 2/21

That's the first round of the NESCAC tournament.

Thanks.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Week 2's regional rankings made an early appearance today: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/?p=2630

[KnightSlappy]

I don't understand Rhode Island College in the Northeast rankings ahead of Williams.

WP      bSOS    bRPI    NAT   Pool   D3      RRO   CONFER   TEAM
0.696   0.555   0.591   038   C      16-7    0-3   LEC      Rhode Island College (0-1 vs. Amherst, 1-0 vs. Tufts)
0.609   0.596   0.600   027   C      14-9    3-6   NESCAC   Williams (1-1 vs. Amherst, 1-0 vs. Tufts)

I know. I know Williams' WP is only .609 (two games worse than RIC), but they have a .041 SOS advantage, and a 3-6 to 0-3 RvRRO advantage (or, at least, not a disadvantage), and a small common opponent advantage (or, at least, not a disadvantage).

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

I will say this... I know they are balancing between WL and SOS... and at some point the SOS is not going to win out. They don't want "false SOS" numbers to be rewarded (i.e. great SOS, but can't win). A .609 WL is not going to garner much love.

And you see it on the flip side with Albertus Magnus. I am somewhat surprised they are in 9th with just one loss despite a struggling SOS. At some point, I know the WL will trump the SOS as well.

Personally, I think the Northeast committee (new chair this year) is trying to find themselves and the national committee may be letting them get their legs... I am not sure, though.

[KnightSlappy]

I will say this... I know they are balancing between WL and SOS... and at some point the SOS is not going to win out. They don't want "false SOS" numbers to be rewarded (i.e. great SOS, but can't win). A .609 WL is not going to garner much love.

Not only can Williams win, they've done it more than they've lost!

And it's not like they're only beating bad teams. They've had something like a .562 SOS in their 14 wins (RIC has a .514 SOS in 16 wins).

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

I don't know why RIC stayed in.  I thought they were out.

Interesting to see Southern Vermont in, though - the head-to-head with Williams must finally be helping them.  Williams only had to lose 8 more times.