Pool C

[Greek Tragedy]

Light schedule involving regionally ranked teams tonight.

In the Atlantic...

York plays #4 Baruch in the CUNYAC semis with #5 Brooklyn hosting Lehman. Even with wins, I don't see either getting Pool C bids with their low SOSs. The CUNYAC will probably be a 1-team league.

In the East...

Things are looking ugly in the Liberty League with all three at the bottom of the rankings. #6 Clarkson plays at #4 Hobart and RIT plays at #5 Skidmore in the other semifinal. Skidmore may have the best chance at a Pool C bid considering their good SOS, but they also have the worst record among the 3.

Finishing up in the Mid-Atlantic...

The Landmark have their semis with #3 Catholic and #5 Scranton hosting Drew and Susquehanna. Due to their poor SOSs, I think both need wins in the semis to have a shot at Pool C.

[magicman]

Light schedule involving regionally ranked teams tonight.

In the Atlantic...

York plays #4 Baruch in the CUNYAC semis with #5 Brooklyn hosting Lehman. Even with wins, I don't see either getting Pool C bids with their low SOSs. The CUNYAC will probably be a 1-team league.

In the East...

Things are looking ugly in the Liberty League with all three at the bottom of the rankings. #6 Clarkson plays at #4 Hobart and RIT plays at #5 Skidmore in the other semifinal. Skidmore may have the best chance at a Pool C bid considering their good SOS, but they also have the worst record among the 3.

Finishing up in the Mid-Atlantic...

The Landmark have their semis with #3 Catholic and #5 Scranton hosting Drew and Susquehanna. Due to their poor SOSs, I think both need wins in the semis to have a shot at Pool C.

Greek,

Skidmore will probably jump from the #5 spot over Hobart, NYU, and Plattsburgh into the #2 spot when the new rankings come out later today. This is what the East Regional Rankings will probably look like, which doesn't make me happy because Plattsburgh has beaten Skidmore in head to head play at Skidmore. It means Plattsburgh will probably get into the NCAA tournament only if they win the automatic bid of the SUNYAC tournament. The fact that there were 3 Liberty League teams ranked and no other SUNYAC teams gives Skidmore a 2-4 vRRO while Plattsburgh is only 1-0 vRRO.       


Probable Regional Rankings  for Week # 3
1. St. John Fisher 21-4
2. Skidmore   17-7
3. Plattsburgh  18-7
4. Hobart   18-7
5. NYU   16-8
6. Clarkson  19-6

[KnightSlappy]

Light schedule involving regionally ranked teams tonight.

In the Atlantic...

York plays #4 Baruch in the CUNYAC semis with #5 Brooklyn hosting Lehman. Even with wins, I don't see either getting Pool C bids with their low SOSs. The CUNYAC will probably be a 1-team league.

In the East...

Things are looking ugly in the Liberty League with all three at the bottom of the rankings. #6 Clarkson plays at #4 Hobart and RIT plays at #5 Skidmore in the other semifinal. Skidmore may have the best chance at a Pool C bid considering their good SOS, but they also have the worst record among the 3.

Finishing up in the Mid-Atlantic...

The Landmark have their semis with #3 Catholic and #5 Scranton hosting Drew and Susquehanna. Due to their poor SOSs, I think both need wins in the semis to have a shot at Pool C.

Greek,

Skidmore will probably jump from the #5 spot over Hobart, NYU, and Plattsburgh into the #2 spot when the new rankings come out later today. This is what the East Regional Rankings will probably look like, which doesn't make me happy because Plattsburgh has beaten Skidmore in head to head play at Skidmore. It means Plattsburgh will probably get into the NCAA tournament only if they win the automatic bid of the SUNYAC tournament. The fact that there were 3 Liberty League teams ranked and no other SUNYAC teams gives Skidmore a 2-4 vRRO while Plattsburgh is only 1-0 vRRO.       


Probable Regional Rankings  for Week # 3
1. St. John Fisher 21-4
2. Skidmore   17-7
3. Plattsburgh  18-7
4. Hobart   18-7
5. NYU   16-8
6. Clarkson  19-6

I'm not really loving the Pool C chances of any of those teams. St. John Fisher and Skidmore would be in the mix, but not a lock by any stretch. Plattsburgh on down look like Pool A or bust.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

I agree... I am not sure there is a strong argument for an at-large bid coming out of the East this year except if the dominoes all fall the right way.

[Greek Tragedy]

I will go against the grain and say Plattsburgh State stays. They'll have a similar record and SOS as Skidmore and the head to head road win. Skidmore definitely wins out on vRRO, but that H2H may win out. Regardless,  the whole rwgion doesn't look promising.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Final public men's basketball regional rankings are out: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2015/02/25/final-public-ncaa-regional-rankings-released/

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

I will go against the grain and say Plattsburgh State stays. They'll have a similar record and SOS as Skidmore and the head to head road win. Skidmore definitely wins out on vRRO, but that H2H may win out. Regardless,  the whole rwgion doesn't look promising.

I thought the same except, the SOS wasn't that close... it was a hair away from the .030 significance.

[KnightSlappy]

I will go against the grain and say Plattsburgh State stays. They'll have a similar record and SOS as Skidmore and the head to head road win. Skidmore definitely wins out on vRRO, but that H2H may win out. Regardless,  the whole rwgion doesn't look promising.

Pretty bold statement after the rankings had already been released! 

[Greek Tragedy]

NCAA had Skidmore at 1-5 vRRO, unless I cpoied it wrong.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

I see Skidmore on their sheets at a correct 2-4.

[ronk]

 As we await the last public regional rankings, I wonder about the mechanics of RAC voting:
   In the Mid-Atlantic, for example, in the vote for #1, suppose the Centennial rep votes for Johns Hopkins and the Landmark rep votes for Catholic, do the other 2 reps decide? Does the chair have a 5th equal vote or does he only break ties among the other 4? Can they tell the national committee that they're deadlocked and need them to break the tie?
  Considering this venue, it's ironic that this is not an academic discussion. It affects Pool C selection and hosting considerations. In this era of professed transparency(it's the other sport committees that don't want final RRs revealed), there may be other similar scenarios that should be brought to light.   
   

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

First off... the rankings are out

Secondly... no, each member on the committee votes on their own. It doesn't come down to just those representatives. Everyone has an equal vote. The chair could, if necessary, break a tie. They won't tell the national committee that. However, I will also say, that the vote takes place AFTER the conference call. So the regional chair will see the vote and probably make any changes he needs in the case of a tie (though, I will double check that). Then the national committee can make changes after that if necessary.

[Greek Tragedy]

Wow. Brooklyn beats Baruch last week and stays behind them. Baruch's SOS goes from.492 to .513 and Brooklyn's goes from .490 to .491. Uh?

[magicman]

I will go against the grain and say Plattsburgh State stays. They'll have a similar record and SOS as Skidmore and the head to head road win. Skidmore definitely wins out on vRRO, but that H2H may win out. Regardless,  the whole rwgion doesn't look promising.

That was my argument over on the East Regional Ranking board that Plattsburgh should be #2 because of the h2h road win. I was pretty sure it wouldn't happen though. I love it when I'm wrong  in a situation like this.

2 years ago Plattsburgh was 2nd in the East Region rankings going into the semifinals of the SUNYAC tournament. They won their semifinal game and lost in the finals and finished with a 19-8 record. They got a Pool C bid and a 1st round home game that year. This year if the same thing happens they will finish with that same 19-8 record. I hope they don't have to sweat out the Monday selection show, because they win both games this weekend, but at least we still may have a chance if we win the first and lose the 2nd game. 

[LJ0608]

With the new Top 25 comes my ballot: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/?p=2636

Continues to be a challenging season as a voter.

FYI, the St. Olaf - St. Thomas game last Monday was at St. Thomas.