Pool C

[ronk]

ronk... one win isn't going to make a difference and you are not considering what Dickinson's SOS could do... let alone the fact, the wins by the other teams (far from guaranteed), won't make that large a difference that they a that close. Also, Salisbury and Cabrini could pick up wins to help Dickinson.

Scranton would have "benefitted" equally with Dickinson wrt any Cabrini decisions. What if by winning their AQs, Hanover, Husson, and Alvernia all become regionally ranked giving Scranton 3 more vrro results.

[ronk]

First off... the rankings are out

Secondly... no, each member on the committee votes on their own. It doesn't come down to just those representatives. Everyone has an equal vote. The chair could, if necessary, break a tie. They won't tell the national committee that. However, I will also say, that the vote takes place AFTER the conference call. So the regional chair will see the vote and probably make any changes he needs in the case of a tie (though, I will double check that). Then the national committee can make changes after that if necessary.

Further ? on final weekend voting mechanics: is this the order of events?
  the RAC gets the NCAA data sheet on its teams, then ranks its region.
  does it stop there or does it change the vrro because of this new ranking?
if the latter, can the new vrro cause the ranking to be changed again?
if so, when does the cycle end?

Same ? with the national committee after they get the rankings from the RACs?

[Greek Tragedy]

If yoou are curious... maroon and brown so far look black.

Red and blue work because they are seperate. I.e. someone can be red/green or yellow/blue (or black/whit) color deficient... no other combo options.

Yes, but what color is the dress?

It was only a matter of time. 

[sac]

Dickinson plays Johns Hopkins away (.916 wp w/results vs removed)
Scranton plays Catholic away (.875 wp w/results vs removed)

Dickinson's current SOS is .548
Scranton's current SOS is .528

They will both receive an SOS boost of similar high quality but Dickinson's will be higher than Scranton's.   Dickinson's SOS is going to remain at least .020 better than Scranton's.

[sac]

Hosting tangent:

I think we have a problem in the West Region.  If we stick with the top two seeds hosting, it should be St. Thomas plus St.Olaf/Buena Vista.  I'm just not sure there will be enough teams to fill those two locations while still feeding into the expected Whitewater/Augustana hosting combo from the Central.  The West might lose one of its hosting slots.

The Great Lakes/Central/West needs 6 host schools, but the Great Lakes is leaning heavily East in teams/potential teams.

[KnightSlappy]

Hosting tangent:

I think we have a problem in the West Region.  If we stick with the top two seeds hosting, it should be St. Thomas plus St.Olaf/Buena Vista.  I'm just not sure there will be enough teams to fill those two locations while still feeding into the expected Whitewater/Augustana hosting combo from the Central.  The West might lose one of its hosting slots.

The Great Lakes/Central/West needs 6 host schools, but the Great Lakes is leaning heavily East in teams/potential teams.

Since St. Thomas can't host due to the women likely hosting, and since St. Olaf and Buena Vista lost, might it make sense for the West not to receive a host bid? They'll all be seeded lower than a bunch of deserving Central region teams, especially if IWU wins the CCIW Pool A bid.

[sac]

good points, maybe St. Norbert/Stevens Point gets the extra Central spot.  St. Thomas not hosting would make it easier for St. Olaf/Buena Vista/IIAC winner to host I think.  I think you still need one host school up there.

I was even thinking maybe the Great Lakes gets a third host, but they'd all be in Ohio.  That would be unprecedented.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Hosting tangent:

I think we have a problem in the West Region.  If we stick with the top two seeds hosting, it should be St. Thomas plus St.Olaf/Buena Vista.  I'm just not sure there will be enough teams to fill those two locations while still feeding into the expected Whitewater/Augustana hosting combo from the Central.  The West might lose one of its hosting slots.

The Great Lakes/Central/West needs 6 host schools, but the Great Lakes is leaning heavily East in teams/potential teams.

I really hope they use this reality that only like 6 or 8 teams have a resume that demands hosting.  They can be really creative to mix things up if they want to do so.

[Greek Tragedy]

good points, maybe St. Norbert/Stevens Point gets the extra Central spot.  St. Thomas not hosting would make it easier for St. Olaf/Buena Vista/IIAC winner to host I think.  I think you still need one host school up there.

I was even thinking maybe the Great Lakes gets a third host, but they'd all be in Ohio.  That would be unprecedented.

I don't see Point hosting after falling in the WIAC semis.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

good points, maybe St. Norbert/Stevens Point gets the extra Central spot.  St. Thomas not hosting would make it easier for St. Olaf/Buena Vista/IIAC winner to host I think.  I think you still need one host school up there.

I was even thinking maybe the Great Lakes gets a third host, but they'd all be in Ohio.  That would be unprecedented.

I don't see Point hosting after falling in the WIAC semis.

Who is going to host, though?  Stockton, Babson, the Centennial winner (and maybe the runner up), Macon, Emory, Wooster (if they win), Augie, Whitewater, St. Thomas.

That's only nine, maybe ten.  After that, Point has as good a resume as anyone.

[KnightSlappy]

So here's where we're at with geographical outliers

SCIAC winner -- will have to fly, probably to Texas
NWC winner -- will have to fly, probably to Texas

ASC/SCAC winner will likely host a pod in the Texas area with teams flying in.

Emory looks like they'll beat Rochester which will put them in position to host. USAC winner will be able to get there within 500 miles.

SAA winner will be able to get to Emory within 500 miles unless it's Hendrix, but Hendrix might be able to get to a Texas pod, depending on who comes out (can get to ETBU and Centenary (La.) but not Texas Lutheran or Concordia (TX.)).

Spalding could get to Emory within 500 miles if they beat Fontbonne today.

I'm guessing the committee wants to pair the flying schools together in the opening rounds as much as possible to reduce the potential number of flights for the second weekend.

The messiest situation looks like Hendrix, Fontbonne, and Concordia (Tx.) winning Pool A bids.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Emory won.  So that officially puts the rest of the UAA into Pool C.

[Greek Tragedy]

Hopefully everyone can read this now. 

WK3	TEAM	W%/vRRO/SOS	WEEK	SCHEDULE
Atl#1	Richard Stockton (NJAC)	.800/5-1/.573	2-0	WON vs #6 Rutgers-Newark 70-54; WON vs #2 William Paterson 65-61 in Final
Atl#2	William Paterson (NJAC)	.760/5-2/.557	1-1	WON vs NJCU 63-61; LOST  vs #1 Richard Stockton 65-61 in Final
Atl#3	Baruch (CUNYAC)	.760/3-2/.513	2-0	WON vs CCNY 72-55; WON vs Brooklyn 90-83 in Final
Atl#4	Brooklyn (CUNYAC)	.808/3-3/.491	1-1	WON vs Lehman 80-70; LOST at Baruch 90-83 in Final
Atl#5	Rutgers-Newark (NJAC)	.692/1-5/.566	0-1	LOST at #1 Richard Stockton 70-54 in semis
Atl#6	Sage College (SKY)	.833/1-1/.455		WON vs SUNY-Old Westbury 92-74; vs St. Joseph's (L.I.) in Final on Sat.
Atl#7	Misericordia  (MACF)	.760/1-3/.482		WON vs King's 57-52 OT; vs Delaware Valley in Final on Sat.
WK3	TEAM	W%/vRRO/SOS	WEEK	SCHEDULE
C#1	Augustana (CCIW)	.840/5-2/.577		WON vs #8 North Central 82-76; vs #6 IWU in Final on Sat.
C#2	Whitewater (WIAC)	.913/2-2/.549		WON vs Eau Claire 82-60; vs Oshkosh in Final on Sat.
C#3	Stevens Point (WIAC)	.840/2-4/.575	0-1	LOST vs Oshkosh 50-47 in semis
C#4	Washington U. (UAA)	.792/4-3/.563		vs Chicago on Sat.
C#5	St. Norbert (MWC)	.957/0-1/.494		vs WON Ripon 85-74; vs Grinnell in Final on Sat.
C#6	IWU (CCIW)	.720/4-4/.576		WON vs #7 Elmhurst 80-67; vs #1 Augustana in Final on Sat.
C#7	Elmhurst (CCIW)	.760/4-3/.544	0-1	LOST vs #6 IWU 80-67 in semis
C#8	North Central (CCIW)	.696/3-5/.573	0-1	LOST  at #1 Augustana82-76 in semis
WK3	TEAM	W%/vRRO/SOS	WEEK	SCHEDULE
E#1	St. John Fisher (E8)	.840/0-0/.508		WON vs Ithaca 90-75; vs Alfred in Final on Sat.
E#2	Plattsburgh St.  (SUNYAC)	.720/1-0/.527		WONvs Brockport State i71-50; vs Oswego St. in Final on Sat.
E#3	Hobart (LL)	.750/3-1/.505	0-1	LOST to #6 Clarkson 69-59 in semis
E#4	Skidmore (LL)	.708/2-4/.552		WON vs RIT 72-51; vs #6 Clarkson in Final on Sat.
E#5	NYU (UAA)	.667/4-3/.547		vs Brandeis on Sat.
E#6	Clarkson (LL)	.750/1-4/.493		WON at #3 Hobart 69-59 in semis; vs #4 Skidmore in Final on Sat.
WK3	TEAM	W%/vRRO/SOS	WEEK	SCHEDULE
GL#1	Marietta (OAC)	.920/3-2/.506		WON vs Capital 78-55; WONvs Bald. Wa.l 78-74; vs #5 Mt. Union in Final on Sat.
GL#2	Ohio Wesleyan (NCAC)	.840/3-1/.534	1-1	WON vs Oberlin 83-66; LOST vs DePauw 69-65 in semis
GL#3	Wooster (NCAC)	.800/2-2/.543		WON vs Denison 69-60; WON vs Wabash 68-55; vs DePauw in Final on Sat.
GL#4	John Carroll (OAC)	.792/3-2/.517	1-1	WON vs Heidelberg 75-66; LOST vs #5 Mt. Union 89-88 in semis
GL#5	Mount Union (OAC)	.760/2-4/.530		WON vs Ohio Northern 101-82; WON at #4 JCU 89-88; at #1 Marietta in Final on Sat.
GL#6	PS-Behrend (AMCC)	.920/0-1/.457	0-1	LOST  vs Hilbert 64-59 in semis
GL#7	Calvin (MIAA)	.783/2-1/.502		WON vs Alma 73-65; vs #9 Hope in Final on Sat.
GL#8	St. Vincent (PAC)	.750/2-2/.516		WON vs Westminster 87-79; WON vs Thomas More 86-73; vs Waynesburg in Final on Sat.
GL#9	Hope (MIAA)	.696/2-5/.543		WON at Trine 55-44; at #7 Calvin in Final on Sat.
WK3	TEAM	W%/vRRO/SOS	WEEK	SCHEDULE
MA#1	Johns Hopkins (CC)	.880/3-2/.528		WON vs Gettysburg 80-67; vs #2 Dickinson in Final on Sat.
MA#2	Dickinson (CC)	.800/3-2/.539		WON at Franklin and Marshall 82-68; vs #1 Johns Hopkins in Final on Sat.
MA#3	Catholic (LAND)	.875/1-1/.495		WON vs Drew 79-53; vs #5 Scranton in Final on Sat.
MA#4	Franklin and Marshall (CC)	.800/3-2/.504	0-1	LOST vs #2 Dickinson 82-68 in semis
MA#5	Scranton (LAND)	.800/1-1/.514		WON vs Susquehanna 67-53; at #3 Catholic in Final on Sat.
MA#6	St. Mary's (Md.) (CAC)	.818/0-0/.480	0-1	LOST vs Christopher Newport 83-69 in semis
WK3	TEAM	W%/vRRO/SOS	WEEK	SCHEDULE
NE#1	Babson (NEWMAC)	.920/6-2/.559		vs MIT in semis on Sat.
NE#2	Trinity (Ct.) (NESCAC)	.826/4-0/.530		WON vs Colby 66-63; vs #11 Wesleyan in semis on Sat.
NE#3	Amherst (NESCAC)	.760/4-2/.568		WON at Tufts 92-66; at #8 Bowdoin in semis on Sat.
NE#4	Bates (NESCAC)	.760/3-4/.611	0-1	LOST to Wesleyan 66-59 in quarters
NE#5	Eastern Connecticut (LEC)	.840/2-2/.554	1-1	WON vs Southern Main 80-39; LOST  vs Keene St. 81-63 in semis
NE#6	WPI (NEWMAC)	.840/2-2/.507		vs #9 Springfield in semis on Sat.
NE#7	Albertus Magnus (GNAC)	.960/0-1/.473		WON vs Suffolk 108-82; WON vs St. Joseph's 81-51; vs J&W in Final on Sat.
NE#8	Bowdoin (NESCAC)	.720/1-4/.565		WON vs Williams 87-74; vs #3 Amherst in semis on Sat.
NE#9	Springfield (NEWMAC)	.720/2-4/.564		at #6 WPI in semis on Sat.
NE#10	Southern Vermont (NECC)	.913/0-1/.478		WON vs Becker 71-66; vs Regis in Final on St.
NE#11	Wesleyan (NESCAC)	.680/3-4/.547		WON at Bates 66-59; at #2 Trinity in semis on Sat.
WK3	TEAM	W%/vRRO/SOS	WEEK	SCHEDULE
So#1	RMC (ODAC)	.920/4-0/.536		WON vs Randolph 72-63; vs Eastern Mennonite in semis Sat.
So#2	Emory (UAA)	.792/5-3/.562		WON vs Rochester 88-69
So#3	VWU (ODAC)	.833/0-3/.538		WON vs Washington and Lee 81-53; vs Guilford in semis on Sat.
So#4	East Texas Baptist (ASC)	.800/4-2/.515		WON vs Univ. of Ozarks 67-52; WON vs How. Pay. 75-73; vs Concordia in Final on Sat.
So#5	Centre (SAA)	.826/0-1/.517		WONvs Berry 90-74; vs Hendrix in semis on Sat.
So#6	Hardin-Simmons (ASC)	.760/3-3/.520	1-1	WON vs Texas-Dallas 77-63; LOST  vs Concordia (TX) 72-66 in semis
So#7	Rhodes (SAA)	.783/1-2/.497		WON vs Millsaps 68-46; vs Birmingham-Southern in semis on Sat.
So#8	MHB (ASC)	.680/2-5/.534	0-1	LOST at Howard Payne 72-64 in quarters
WK3	TEAM	W%/vRRO/SOS	WEEK	SCHEDULE
W#1	St. Thomas (MIAC)	.880/5-0/.568		WON vs Gustavus Adolphus 83-79 OT; vs Bethel in Final on Sat.
W#2	St. Olaf (MIAC)	.840/1-2/.522	0-1	LOST vs #7 Bethel 75-67 in semis
W#3	Buena Vista (IIAC)	.750/2-1/.526	0-1	LOST vs Wartburg 93-88 OT in semis
W#4	Whitman (NWC)	.826/2-3/.514	0-1	LOST vs Lewis and Clark 84-73 in semis
W#5	Whitworth (NWC)	.880/1-3/.480		WON vs Willamette 89-64; vs Lewis and Clark in Final on Sat.
W#6	Dubuque (IIAC)	.792/0-3/.523		WON at Coe 71-59; vs Wartburg in Final on Sat.
W#7	Bethel (MIAC)	.680/3-2/.539		WON vs Con.-Moorhead 71-53; WON at #2 St. Olaf 75-67; vs #1 St. Thomas in Final on Sat.

[KnightSlappy]

good points, maybe St. Norbert/Stevens Point gets the extra Central spot.  St. Thomas not hosting would make it easier for St. Olaf/Buena Vista/IIAC winner to host I think.  I think you still need one host school up there.

I was even thinking maybe the Great Lakes gets a third host, but they'd all be in Ohio.  That would be unprecedented.

I don't see Point hosting after falling in the WIAC semis.

Who is going to host, though?  Stockton, Babson, the Centennial winner (and maybe the runner up), Macon, Emory, Wooster (if they win), Augie, Whitewater, St. Thomas.

That's only nine, maybe ten.  After that, Point has as good a resume as anyone.

The committee doesn't care about conference champions/conference finals/conference semifinals. It's just about the criteria, and UWSP is very strong at .808/.575.

[Greek Tragedy]

Here's the updated Pool C teams with all the UAA teams included after Emory won the AQ

WK3	TEAM	W%/vRRO/SOS	WEEK	SCHEDULE
NE#4	Bates (NESCAC)	.760/3-4/.611	0-1	LOST to Wesleyan 66-59 in quarters
Atl#4	Brooklyn (CUNYAC)	.808/3-3/.491	1-1	WON vs Lehman 80-70; LOST at Baruch 90-83 in Final
W#3	Buena Vista (IIAC)	.750/2-1/.526	0-1	LOST vs Wartburg 93-88 OT in semis
NE#5	Eastern Connecticut (LEC)	.840/2-2/.554	1-1	WON vs Southern Main 80-39; LOST  vs Keene St. 81-63 in semis
C#7	Elmhurst (CCIW)	.760/4-3/.544	0-1	LOST vs #6 IWU 80-67 in semis
MA#4	Franklin and Marshall (CC)	.800/3-2/.504	0-1	LOST vs #2 Dickinson 82-68 in semis
So#6	Hardin-Simmons (ASC)	.760/3-3/.520	1-1	WON vs Texas-Dallas 77-63; LOST  vs Concordia (TX) 72-66 in semis
E#3	Hobart (LL)	.750/3-1/.505	0-1	LOST to #6 Clarkson 69-59 in semis
GL#4	John Carroll (OAC)	.792/3-2/.517	1-1	WON vs Heidelberg 75-66; LOST vs #5 Mt. Union 89-88 in semis
So#8	MHB (ASC)	.680/2-5/.534	0-1	LOST at Howard Payne 72-64 in quarters
C#8	North Central (CCIW)	.696/3-5/.573	0-1	LOST  at #1 Augustana82-76 in semis
E#5	NYU (UAA)	.667/4-3/.547		vs Brandeis on Sat.
GL#2	Ohio Wesleyan (NCAC)	.840/3-1/.534	1-1	WON vs Oberlin 83-66; LOST vs DePauw 69-65 in semis
GL#6	PS-Behrend (AMCC)	.920/0-1/.457	0-1	LOST  vs Hilbert 64-59 in semis
Atl#5	Rutgers-Newark (NJAC)	.692/1-5/.566	0-1	LOST at #1 Richard Stockton 70-54 in semis
MA#6	St. Mary's (Md.) (CAC)	.818/0-0/.480	0-1	LOST vs Christopher Newport 83-69 in semis
W#2	St. Olaf (MIAC)	.840/1-2/.522	0-1	LOST vs #7 Bethel 75-67 in semis
C#3	Stevens Point (WIAC)	.840/2-4/.575	0-1	LOST vs Oshkosh 50-47 in semis
C#4	Washington U. (UAA)	.792/4-3/.563		vs Chicago on Sat.
W#4	Whitman (NWC)	.826/2-3/.514	0-1	LOST vs Lewis and Clark 84-73 in semis
Atl#2	William Paterson (NJAC)	.760/5-2/.557	1-1	WON vs NJCU 63-61; LOST  vs #1 Richard Stockton 65-61 in Final