Pool C

[Mr. Ypsi]

So, who do we have as definite?

William Patterson
Stevens Point
WashU
Marietta
Ohio Wesleyan
Wooster
Hopkins
Trinity
Amherst
Bates
E Conn
ODAC loser
St. Olaf

That leaves six spots left.

I think IWU will go in before several of those teams.  Can't offhand think of any other 'locks' you omitted.

[bopol]

HoopsFan how can you have Amherst in over Trinity. Both have 20 wins. Trinity beat the daylights out of Amherst AT Amherst. Trinity finishes the regular season league play at 9-1. Amherst 6-4. Regular season way harder to win in any league then the playoffs where a team can just get hot. It would be a total joke if Amherst gets in and Trinity doesn't. It would show all people at D3 care about is the name not about the season at hand.

Also would anyone happen to know if this is true and Trinity doesn't get in are they the first ever NESCAC team with 20 wins who WON the NESCAC Regular Season to not get in the NCAA's?

I've got to believe North Central is ahead of Springfield and Bowdoin though.  And North Central is my last pick and I'm probably being overly generous.


I took another look at it - Trinity is definitely in.  I do think Amherst is ahead of them in the rankings, though - a slightly better SOS now and a much better vRRO.

Bowdoin and Springfield have nearly identical resumes.  Bowdoin got the advantage last week; I'm not so sure they will this time.  It'll be hard, though, to take one and not the other.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

So, who do we have as definite?

William Patterson
Stevens Point
WashU
Marietta
Ohio Wesleyan
Wooster
Hopkins
Trinity
Amherst
Bates
E Conn
ODAC loser
St. Olaf

That leaves six spots left.

After this, I think we're then looking at a table of:

Brooklyn
IWU
Plattsburgh (NYU's didn't do quite enough to get there)
John Carroll
Catholic
Springfield (virtually identical numbers - Bowdoin was ahead in last week's rankings, but Springfield had a slightly better week)
Hardin-Simmons (I think they'll get the nod over Centre)
Bethel (Whitman and Buena Vista will both be right there, too)

[TrinColl1]

Hoops Fan As long as Trinity is in I won't complain where or who is higher or what not but if Amherst is higher I don't care SOS or any of that it would only be because of Amherst name. Trinity buried them on their own home court and went 9-1 in conference while Amherst went 6-4. Head to Head has to mean something especially when the road team wins by double figures. And then finishes 3 games ahead of them in league.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Tom's number have Catholic's SOS creeping up over .500.  I think that get's them in (along with their .800+ winning percentage).

IWU for sure as well.

Then it's tough because I think North Central has a better case than Elmhurst, but they were in the opposite order last week.  If that doesn't change it could be a block.

Springfield and Bowdoin likely get in.

Then you've got Bethel.


Maybe we add IWU and Catholic to the locks and throw the final four spots into the toss up.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Hoops Fan As long as Trinity is in I won't complain where or who is higher or what not but if Amherst is higher I don't care SOS or any of that it would only be because of Amherst name. Trinity buried them on their own home court and went 9-1 in conference while Amherst went 6-4. Head to Head has to mean something especially when the road team wins by double figures. And then finishes 3 games ahead of them in league.

Amherst has way better numbers.  They're not looking at conference records and they only look at head to head if it's really close and, quite frankly, it's not anymore.

[Greek Tragedy]

I think NYU gets in with that vRRO and SOS.

[David Collinge]

Trinity buried them on their own home court and went 9-1 in conference while Amherst went 6-4. Head to Head has to mean something especially when the road team wins by double figures. And then finishes 3 games ahead of them in league.

Head to Head means something; it is one of the primary criteria. League record, in and of itself, however, means nothing; it is not one of the criteria, either primary or secondary.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

I think NYU gets in with that vRRO and SOS.

I'm not sure they'll get to the table.

Right now (according to Matt's numbers) Plattsburgh is 19-8 with a .534, while NYU is 17-8 with a .544.  If they're sticking to the "two wins equals .03" then this is the perfect test case for it.  Plattsburgh should stay ahead.

[KnightSlappy]

Trinity buried them on their own home court and went 9-1 in conference while Amherst went 6-4. Head to Head has to mean something especially when the road team wins by double figures. And then finishes 3 games ahead of them in league.

Head to Head means something; it is one of the primary criteria. League record, in and of itself, however, means nothing; it is not one of the criteria, either primary or secondary.

In a way though it is, because common opponents is a primary criteria. So it will be taken into account.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Tom's number have Catholic's SOS creeping up over .500.  I think that get's them in (along with their .800+ winning percentage).

IWU for sure as well.

Then it's tough because I think North Central has a better case than Elmhurst, but they were in the opposite order last week.  If that doesn't change it could be a block.

Springfield and Bowdoin likely get in.

Then you've got Bethel.


Maybe we add IWU and Catholic to the locks and throw the final four spots into the toss up.

I did forget that Springfield is losing right now.  It should help their SOS, but obviously the winning percentage is going down.

[KnightSlappy]

I think NYU gets in with that vRRO and SOS.

I'm not sure they'll get to the table.

Right now (according to Matt's numbers) Plattsburgh is 19-8 with a .534, while NYU is 17-8 with a .544.  If they're sticking to the "two wins equals .03" then this is the perfect test case for it.  Plattsburgh should stay ahead.

Here's another interesting comparison:

New York University   EA   0.680   / 0.544   / 3-2
Hope                         GL   0.680   / 0.558   / 2-6

Is .014 SOS worth an extra win vRRO? I'd say yes (after all, these RvRRO are already baked into the WP and SOS), but I'm not sure what the committee says.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Trinity buried them on their own home court and went 9-1 in conference while Amherst went 6-4. Head to Head has to mean something especially when the road team wins by double figures. And then finishes 3 games ahead of them in league.

Head to Head means something; it is one of the primary criteria. League record, in and of itself, however, means nothing; it is not one of the criteria, either primary or secondary.

In a way though it is, because common opponents is a primary criteria. So it will be taken into account.

Sure, but the SOS is such a huge disparity, plus you'll likely have Eastern Connecticut ranked between them.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

I think NYU gets in with that vRRO and SOS.

I'm not sure they'll get to the table.

Right now (according to Matt's numbers) Plattsburgh is 19-8 with a .534, while NYU is 17-8 with a .544.  If they're sticking to the "two wins equals .03" then this is the perfect test case for it.  Plattsburgh should stay ahead.

Do you think Hope will get to the table before John Carroll?

Here's another interesting comparison:

New York University   EA   0.680   / 0.544   / 3-2
Hope                         GL   0.680   / 0.558   / 2-6

Is .014 SOS worth an extra win vRRO? I'd say yes (after all, these RvRRO are already baked into the WP and SOS), but I'm not sure what the committee says.

Do you think Hope gets to the table before John Carrol?  What about NYU and Plattsubrgh?

[TrinColl1]

HoopsFan Trinity's vRRO is 4-1 at 80% win total. Amherst is 5-3 at a 62% win total (Ill give you 63% we will round up). Not sure how you are saying Amherst is better there.

All I am saying is if Trinity doesn't get in and Amherst does its a total joke and only because of Amherst name.