Pool C

[ronk]

Except... the brackets are done well in advance of the shows... so there wouldn't be any time to change things anyway. I have it on good authority both brackets are completed earlier in the morning and not based on when they are being broadcast. Furthermore, the men have been first for a number of years; women second as a result.

Doesn't mean that they couldn't(shouldn't) change it.

What I am trying to say... it doesn't matter what time the shows air... both brackets are done at the same time earlier in the day. Furthermore, considering how many parts there are to move around if you want to adjust something and how much the production crew needs to work on the show prior... there isn't enough time to adjust if there is some "slight."

Except... the brackets are done well in advance of the shows... so there wouldn't be any time to change things anyway. I have it on good authority both brackets are completed earlier in the morning and not based on when they are being broadcast. Furthermore, the men have been first for a number of years; women second as a result.

Doesn't mean that they couldn't(shouldn't) change it.

Eastern... sorry, I usually point that kind of thing out.

I thought there was an adjustment last year when the Scranton men lost the opportunity to host because it was given to Emory, allowing the women to give a host to Scranton when it would have been precluded by men's priority, save for the late adjustment.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

I know it won't be good for the bubble, teams, but I think things might be easier to predict if Bethel beats St. Thomas this afternoon.

[Greek Tragedy]

I think John Carroll and Plattsburgh State will get to the table before Hope and NYU.

Me, too - and I'm not sure either one gets in.

What about the Elmhurst/NCC problem?  Do you agree NCC has the better chance to get in?  The committee last week thought Elmhurst was better.

Both Elmhurst and NCC lost in the semis. I don't see why they would flip positions.

[KnightSlappy]

I had NYU at 4-3 and Hope 2-6. But I've been wrong before.

I have NYU down for wins against Wash U, Emory, Emory, and losses vs. Sage and Wash U. (1-1 vs. Case Western Reserve, but they fell out of the rankings last week and will not return this week).

I wrote down what the NCAA had. They probably didn't adjust those vRRO like they didn't adjust St. Thomas'  when Bethel entered the rankings.

I think those data sheets are the raw numbers that the committees get before the rankings process starts. They take into account the new numbers as things change, but they don't go back and update the sheets for us. So RvRRO is always one week behind on the sheets.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

I think John Carroll and Plattsburgh State will get to the table before Hope and NYU.

Me, too - and I'm not sure either one gets in.

What about the Elmhurst/NCC problem?  Do you agree NCC has the better chance to get in?  The committee last week thought Elmhurst was better.

Both Elmhurst and NCC lost in the semis. I don't see why they would flip positions.

Yeah.  As good as NCC's SOS is, they just don't have enough wins.

[kiko]

I think John Carroll and Plattsburgh State will get to the table before Hope and NYU.

Me, too - and I'm not sure either one gets in.

What about the Elmhurst/NCC problem?  Do you agree NCC has the better chance to get in?  The committee last week thought Elmhurst was better.

Both Elmhurst and NCC lost in the semis. I don't see why they would flip positions.

Yeah.  As good as NCC's SOS is, they just don't have enough wins.

Elmhurst beat North Central twice H2H.  They will stay in the same order in the final rankings.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

William Patterson
Stevens Point
WashU
Marietta
Ohio Wesleyan
Wooster
Hopkins
Trinity
Amherst
Bates
E Conn
VA Wesleyan
St. Olaf
IWU

Those are the only teams I can talk myself into as locks right now.

So then we've got a table with: Brooklyn (.786/.507), Plattsburgh (.704/.534), Catholic (.846/.506), Springfield (.731/.573 - before the loss to Babson today), Elmhurst (.731/.551), John Carroll (.769/.527), Centre (.800/.512), and Whitman (.792/.519)

Behind them you've got Bethel (.704/.552 - plus a potential loss to St. Thomas today), North Central (.667/.588), Hope (.680/.558), Hardin-Simmons (.741/.531), F&M (.769/.517), Rutgers-Newark (.667/.572), NYU (.680/.544), and Bowdoin (.692/.571)

Possible stranglers: WPI (.808/.515), PSU-Behrend (.885/.469), Buena Vista (.720/.528)

Obviously, I don't know the ranking order, so they could get moved around.  I don't see anyone not on this list getting in though.

[bopol]

Updated Brackets:

Cheesehead Bracket (target Sweet 16 at St. Thomas or Stevens Points):

UWSP
DePauw
Calvin
Elmhurst

Emory
Spaudling
Lagrange
CMS

St Norbert
Concordia WI
Defiance
St Thomas

Augustana
Northwestern
Dubuque
St Olaf

Maple Syrup Bracket (target Sweet 16 at Babson or Richard Stockton):

Babson
SUNY-Cobleskill
Franklin and Marshall
Bates

St John Fisher
Neumann
Endicott
Albertus Magnus

Richard Stockton
Colby-Sawyer
Scranton
Amherst

Johns Hopkins
Regis
Keene State
Eastern Connecticut


Hot Dog Bracket (Target Sweet 16 at Whitewater or OWU):

UWW
*BYE
North Central
John Carroll

East Texas Baptist
Rhodes
Texas Lutheran
Whitworth

Ohio Wesleyan
SUNY-Oswego
Mount Union
Wash U

Wooster
Medaille
St Vincent
IWU




Grits Bracket (Targeting 2nd weekend at Randolph Macon or Dickinson):

Randolph-Macon
*BYE
Barach
Trinity

Dickinson
Sage
Westfield State
Wesleyan

Marietta
Misicordia
William Paterson
Catholic

Virginia Wesleyan
Salisbury
Alvernia
Skidmore



Thoughts:
1) The Hendrix-Rhodes game hasn't finished yet, so give me a break if Hendrix wins.
2) I managed to get every region hosting a pod, but the East is really borderline.
3) I had a hard time breaking down the Northeast and they ended up losing their 2nd pod hosting to St. John Fisher, but I could easily see it the other way around.
4) The Maple Syrup bracket is heavy in the NE so that I don't have to worry about 500 miles to Randolph Macon for Bates or some other far NE team.
5) Similarly, the Grits bracket is skewed south as a result that a few teams can't get to Babson in 500 miles and Virginia Beach is quite far south.
6) Ditto for Cheesehead Bracket with Central/West so that teams can get to Stevens Point or St. Thomas.
7) My final five teams in are Elmhurst, Catholic, John Carroll, F&M and North Central.  On the table are: Brooklyn, NYU, Springfield, St. Mary's, Springfield, Centre and Buena Vista.  I agree with Knightslappy though that Bethel would make a better case than Buena Vista at this point. 

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Now that Hendrix won - they can go to St. Louis.  You can give Emory the bye and have Spalding go to LaGrange.  Fly CMS and Whitworth to Texas (unless Whitman gets in, for some reason - then you'd be screwed).

Or, if Centenary beats TX Lutheran, you can do a four team pod at Hendrix - WashU wouldn't like to travel, but that would make the brackets a little more fun (IWU is 509 miles, so just missed being able to send them to Arkansas).

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Bohol. Eastern CT and Keene State will not be in the same pod never mind playing each other. They are both from the Little East Conference. Committee will not do that.

Well, not in New England, anyway.

[bopol]

So then we've got a table with: Brooklyn (.786/.507), Plattsburgh (.704/.534), Catholic (.846/.506), Springfield (.731/.573 - before the loss to Babson today), Elmhurst (.731/.551), John Carroll (.769/.527), Centre (.800/.512), and Whitman (.792/.519)

Behind them you've got Bethel (.704/.552 - plus a potential loss to St. Thomas today), North Central (.667/.588), Hope (.680/.558), Hardin-Simmons (.741/.531), F&M (.769/.517), Rutgers-Newark (.667/.572), NYU (.680/.544), and Bowdoin (.692/.571)

Possible stranglers: WPI (.808/.515), PSU-Behrend (.885/.469), Buena Vista (.720/.528)

Obviously, I don't know the ranking order, so they could get moved around.  I don't see anyone not on this list getting in though.

Is there any compelling reason to put Whitman in front of Buena Vista based on them being behind last week and not much changing (both teams getting dropped in their conference semis)?

Right now, I have the NE as Springfield, Bowdoin, WPI in that order and Springfield being left on the table.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Now that Hendrix won - they can go to St. Louis.  You can give Emory the bye and have Spalding go to LaGrange.  Fly CMS and Whitworth to Texas (unless Whitman gets in, for some reason - then you'd be screwed).

Or, if Centenary beats TX Lutheran, you can do a four team pod at Hendrix - WashU wouldn't like to travel, but that would make the brackets a little more fun.

St. Louis? Wash U men aren't going to be hosting.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Now that Hendrix won - they can go to St. Louis.  You can give Emory the bye and have Spalding go to LaGrange.  Fly CMS and Whitworth to Texas (unless Whitman gets in, for some reason - then you'd be screwed).

Or, if Centenary beats TX Lutheran, you can do a four team pod at Hendrix - WashU wouldn't like to travel, but that would make the brackets a little more fun.

St. Louis? Wash U men aren't going to be hosting.

If they ended up with three teams at Emory and three in the NW , they'd make WashU travel.

[KnightSlappy]

Now that Hendrix won - they can go to St. Louis.  You can give Emory the bye and have Spalding go to LaGrange.  Fly CMS and Whitworth to Texas (unless Whitman gets in, for some reason - then you'd be screwed).

Or, if Centenary beats TX Lutheran, you can do a four team pod at Hendrix - WashU wouldn't like to travel, but that would make the brackets a little more fun.

St. Louis? Wash U men aren't going to be hosting.

And Hendrix can bus to East Texas Baptist, so they'll probably be there.

[bopol]

Bohol. Eastern CT and Keene State will not be in the same pod never mind playing each other. They are both from the Little East Conference. Committee will not do that.

Well, not in New England, anyway.

Ah heck, well, I'll fix that later.