Pool C

[Ralph Turner]

The Emory and ETBU brackets don't have the diversity, but they are close enough for the families, friends and students to travel to the games.

[ronk]

Could someone answer these questions for me?

1. It used to be once ranked, always ranked, but I thought that was changed, so that if you drop out of the rankings it will affect other teams vRRO.

2. I was told today that the National committee doesn't update the vRRO after last week's published record. In other words if a team makes the next set of rankings that wasn't previously regionally ranked it won't alter another team's vRRO.

Example: KnightSlappy says Keene State will replace Southern Vermont in the NE Regional Rankings. Keene State hasn't been ranked at all this year. Plattsburgh currently has a 1-0 record vRRO. They own a win against Keene State. When they are at the table will the committee see that they are now 2-0 vRRO because Keene State is now ranked or will they be looking at last week's 1-0 record.  I was told they would be looking at last week's record, which doesn't make sense to me.   

1. once ranked, always ranked is no longer;if u drop out it does affect their opponents' vrro, as would newly-ranked opponents.
2. the vrros are updated with previous ranking to come up with the data for the new rankings to be decided.
  for example, for the next Mid-Atlantic rankings, both Scranton and Catholic will add an additional vrro because Misericordia and St. Vincent became regionally ranked since the previous ranking. However, most importantly, I don't see that Keene St is regionally ranked.

[magicman]

Thanks ronk,

Plus K.

[ronk]

Could someone answer these questions for me?

1. It used to be once ranked, always ranked, but I thought that was changed, so that if you drop out of the rankings it will affect other teams vRRO.

2. I was told today that the National committee doesn't update the vRRO after last week's published record. In other words if a team makes the next set of rankings that wasn't previously regionally ranked it won't alter another team's vRRO.

Example: KnightSlappy says Keene State will replace Southern Vermont in the NE Regional Rankings. Keene State hasn't been ranked at all this year. Plattsburgh currently has a 1-0 record vRRO. They own a win against Keene State. When they are at the table will the committee see that they are now 2-0 vRRO because Keene State is now ranked or will they be looking at last week's 1-0 record.  I was told they would be looking at last week's record, which doesn't make sense to me.   

1. once ranked, always ranked is no longer;if u drop out it does affect their opponents' vrro, as would newly-ranked opponents.
2. the vrros are updated with previous ranking to come up with the data for the new rankings to be decided.
  for example, for the next Mid-Atlantic rankings, both Scranton and Catholic will add an additional vrro because Misericordia and St. Vincent became regionally ranked since the previous ranking. However, most importantly, I don't see that Keene St is regionally ranked.

  I think Pat and Dave said tonight on Hoopsville that they were PROJECTING that Keene St would become regionally ranked; if that's the case, then Plattsburgh would get the additional vrro for the Pool C deliberation.

[KnightSlappy]

I made selections and tried to pod teams together. I never envy the bracket makers when I try to do this.

http://tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com/2015/03/mock-selection-and-bracket.html

[bopol]

I made selections and tried to pod teams together. I never envy the bracket makers when I try to do this.

http://tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com/2015/03/mock-selection-and-bracket.html

Just a thought about the West...the regional rankings really haven't made sense throughout.  I don't think you are going to see Bethel move from 7 to 2 just because it would require a totally new thinking that would go against typical groupthink.  It'll be St Olaf out of the West and maybe Bethel, but I wouldn't be surprised if they end up stuck behind Buena Vista.

In the Northeast, I think the order will be Springfield/WPI/Bowdoin.  The thing is WPI might look better in the last few picks, but if Springfield blocks them, I don't think they get the same consideration.  I agree with you that Springfield is a worthy candidate, but I think they and North Central won't get picked until the very end if at all.  So WPI could end up never quite getting to the table.

[bopol]

Of the four that posted projections of the field, we all agree on

Virginia Wesleyan
UW-Stevens Point
Washington U.
Johns Hopkins
Amherst
Marietta
Illinois Wesleyan
William Paterson
Ohio Wesleyan
Wooster
Trinity (Conn.)
Bates
Eastern Connecticut
Elmhurst
Catholic (!)

Then for the last few picks, we have the following breakdown:

St Olaf   3   (7, titan, bopol)
John Carroll   3   (titan, bopol, Knight)
WPI   2   (7, titan)
Franklin & Marshall   2   (7, bopol)
Bethel   2   (titan, knight)
North Central   2   (bopol, knight)
Springfield   1   (Knight)
Plattsburgh   1   (7)

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

We've been told Bethel is behind Buena Vista.

[7express]

We've been told Bethel is behind Buena Vista.

If that's the case I'm fairly confident in my "no Bethel in the tournament" prediction.  I don't see how Buena Vista clears and gives way to Bethel.

[Pat Coleman]

This has been out for a bit, but glad you guys are able to get some sleep:
http://www.d3hoops.com/playoffs/men/2015/projected-mens-bracket

[Titan Q]

We've been told Bethel is behind Buena Vista.

If that is the case, I'd go with North Central in my #19 spot. I like NCC's wins over Augustana, UW-Stevens Point, and IWU...in addition to an SOS that jumps off the page in that final round.

I like Bethel's resume better than Buena Vista's. 


1. (GL) Marietta (.893/.519/4-3)
2. (MA) Johns Hopkins (.852/.539/3-3)
3. (C) UW-Stevens Point (.808/.575/2-4)
4. (C)  Washington U. (.800/.565/4-2)
5. (GL) Ohio Wesleyan (.815/.537/3-1)
6. (NE) Trinity-Conn. (.792/.535/5-1)
7. (NE) Amherst (.741/.579/6-3)
8. (NE) Bates (.760/.609/4-5)
9. (AT) William Patterson (.741/.565/4-3)
10. (GL) Wooster (.786/.551/3-2)
11. (C) Illinois Wesleyan (.704/.591/5-5)
12. (C) Elmhurst (.731/.551/4-4)
13. (S) Virginia Wesleyan (.815/.554/0-4)
14. (GL) John Carroll (.769/.527/3-3)
15. (W) St. Olaf (.808/.527/1-5)
16. (MA) Catholic (.846/.506/1-3)[/b]
17. (NE) Eastern Conn. (.815/.550/0-2)
18. (NE) WPI (.808/.515/2-3)
19. (C) North Central (.667/.587/3-6)

My Round 19 (assuming BV over Bethel in West)
AT - Brooklyn (.786/.507/2-3)
C - North Central (.667/.587/3-6)
E - Plattsburgh State (.704/.534/1-0)
GL - Hope (.680/.558/2-6)
MA - Franklin & Marshall (.769/.517/3-3)
NE - Bowdoin (.692/.571/1-6)
S - Centre (.800/.513/1-2)
W - Buena Vista (.720/.527/3-1)

For me, that #19 pick comes down to two groups.

The .550+ SOS Group
C - North Central (.667/.587/3-6)
GL - Hope (.680/.558/2-6)
NE - Bowdoin (.692/.571/1-6)

(I like Bethel as the .550+ SOS pick if there are there - .679/.564/4-3.)

The .700+ Winning % Group
AT - Brooklyn (.786/.507/2-3)
E - Plattsburgh State (.704/.534/1-0)
MA - Franklin & Marshall (.769/.517/3-3)
S - Centre (.800/.513/1-2)
W - Buena Vista (.720/.527/3-1)

I end up with North Central vs Franklin & Marshall, and I pick North Central due to SOS and RRO (specifically, the wins over Augustana, UW-Stevens Point, and IWU).  I considered the fact that NCC lost to Dickinson in a non-conference game, while F&M has a win over Dickinson...but F&M also has two losses to Dickinson, so I don't think the common opponent win really helps F&M at the end of the day.

We will all know in about 5 hours.

[bopol]

This has been out for a bit, but glad you guys are able to get some sleep:
http://www.d3hoops.com/playoffs/men/2015/projected-mens-bracket

A few pods only have 2 regions represented and the Randolph Macon bracket is going to require at least one flight.

Back to the drawing board.

[FCGrizzliesGrad]

This has been out for a bit, but glad you guys are able to get some sleep:
http://www.d3hoops.com/playoffs/men/2015/projected-mens-bracket

A few pods only have 2 regions represented and the Randolph Macon bracket is going to require at least one flight.

Back to the drawing board.

Westfield is the furthest of the pod at 467 miles so no flight there. If you're referring to the entire quadrant then perhaps but it's hard to set up a bracket without a bit of flying on the 2nd weekend

[AO]

We've been told Bethel is behind Buena Vista.

If that's the case I'm fairly confident in my "no Bethel in the tournament" prediction.  I don't see how Buena Vista clears and gives way to Bethel.

So Head to Head is the most important criteria now?  If it is wouldn't they put Bethel in front of St. Olaf?

Bethel (19-9 .679/.564/4-3)  RR Wins over #1 St. Thomas and 3 wins over St. Olaf (likely ranked higher than Buena Vista)
Buena Vista (18-7 .720/.527/3-1) RR Wins over Dubuque and Bethel

WP should be considered the same as Bethel played more RR.  Bethel has a clear SOS advantage and a clear RR wins advantage.  The Bethel vs. Buena game was played before Bridge joined the team.

[bopol]

This has been out for a bit, but glad you guys are able to get some sleep:
http://www.d3hoops.com/playoffs/men/2015/projected-mens-bracket

A few pods only have 2 regions represented and the Randolph Macon bracket is going to require at least one flight.

Back to the drawing board.

Westfield is the furthest of the pod at 467 miles so no flight there. If you're referring to the entire quadrant then perhaps but it's hard to set up a bracket without a bit of flying on the 2nd weekend

For the 2nd weekend, the Emory and ETBU pods are lost causes, but you can certainly set up a bracket that avoids it otherwise because I did.