Pool C

Pat Coleman · August 17, 2015, 04:04:09 PM

Quote from: Gregory Sager on August 17, 2015, 01:07:02 PM
Well, if we're currently at 413 participating programs, and if fourth-year provies Houghton, Southern Virginia, and Valley Forge Christian all complete the process and become full members for 2016-17, that would mean that we would reach the 416-participants threshold necessary to get a 64-team bracket for the 2017 D3 tourney, budget willing.

We might be getting McMurry back around that time as well.

KnightSlappy · August 17, 2015, 05:00:39 PM

Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 17, 2015, 04:04:09 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on August 17, 2015, 01:07:02 PM
Well, if we're currently at 413 participating programs, and if fourth-year provies Houghton, Southern Virginia, and Valley Forge Christian all complete the process and become full members for 2016-17, that would mean that we would reach the 416-participants threshold necessary to get a 64-team bracket for the 2017 D3 tourney, budget willing.

We might be getting McMurry back around that time as well.

I have them as being eligible for full membership in 2018-19, do you think they'll be sped up through the pipeline? That would be nice.

Gregory Sager · August 17, 2015, 05:38:45 PM

It would certainly make Ralph happy, if nothing else.

Pat Coleman · August 17, 2015, 08:30:17 PM

Quote from: KnightSlappy on August 17, 2015, 05:00:39 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 17, 2015, 04:04:09 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on August 17, 2015, 01:07:02 PM
Well, if we're currently at 413 participating programs, and if fourth-year provies Houghton, Southern Virginia, and Valley Forge Christian all complete the process and become full members for 2016-17, that would mean that we would reach the 416-participants threshold necessary to get a 64-team bracket for the 2017 D3 tourney, budget willing.

We might be getting McMurry back around that time as well.

I have them as being eligible for full membership in 2018-19, do you think they'll be sped up through the pipeline? That would be nice.

They thought so, but they don't have anything official on that as of yet.

Dave 'd-mac' McHugh · August 18, 2015, 12:04:19 PM

From what I've gathered... no one at the NCAA is inclined to speed up anything for McMurry after this back and forth they have done. I didn't get any sense they were going to get any breaks with this.

Pat Coleman · August 19, 2015, 11:07:28 AM

Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on August 18, 2015, 12:04:19 PM
From what I've gathered... no one at the NCAA is inclined to speed up anything for McMurry after this back and forth they have done. I didn't get any sense they were going to get any breaks with this.

Well, it seems kind of capricious to hold up their re-entry with student-athletes' postseason eligibility in the balance, but hey, whatever Indianapolis wants to do.

Dave 'd-mac' McHugh · August 19, 2015, 03:10:23 PM

There is nothing in the by-laws that says speed things up because a school is jumping back and forth between divisions. This is the school's bed they made... they are clearly the ones, from everything I have gathered, who have not been thinking about the student-athletes first... or even second.

sac · August 19, 2015, 03:21:38 PM

How are they not thinking of the student athlete when they are honoring all scholarships?

Dave 'd-mac' McHugh · August 19, 2015, 04:04:19 PM

sac - I was referencing the post-season topic... and I believe they are obligated to honor the scholarships since they are a contract, right?

sac · August 19, 2015, 04:14:31 PM

McMurry also faced cutting sports but chose to keep them and drop back to D3, that seems like directly thinking of the student athletes.

Dave 'd-mac' McHugh · August 19, 2015, 04:24:35 PM

Many in that region would tell you their goals and plan to move up a division was also ill-conceived and they put themselves in this situation based on some bad leadership - not necessarily from those with leader in their titles.

AO · August 19, 2015, 04:55:59 PM

Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on August 19, 2015, 04:04:19 PM
sac - I was referencing the post-season topic... and I believe they are obligated to honor the scholarships since they are a contract, right?

Are NAIA schools even allowed to offer multi-year agreements? I assumed they were one year scholarships that need to be renewed every year like NCAA D1 and D2 uses.

Gregory Sager · August 19, 2015, 07:06:38 PM

McMurry was going to move to NCAA D2, not to the NAIA.

AO · August 19, 2015, 08:20:46 PM

Quote from: Gregory Sager on August 19, 2015, 07:06:38 PM
McMurry was going to move to NCAA D2, not to the NAIA.

well then, they were definitely not giving out any multi-year scholarships. Coaches can choose to not renew the scholarship for any reason, but if they don't want to hurt their recruiting reputation the reason better be good.

Pat Coleman · August 20, 2015, 12:10:00 AM

Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on August 19, 2015, 03:10:23 PM
There is nothing in the by-laws that says speed things up because a school is jumping back and forth between divisions. This is the school's bed they made... they are clearly the ones, from everything I have gathered, who have not been thinking about the student-athletes first... or even second.

It's clear what side you're on here.

There's nothing in the bylaws about a situation like this whatsoever, right? I'm sure that McMurry would be allowed the same opportunity as anyone else to have a year of their transition waived, regardless of some people's apparent emotions about it.