Pool C

[hopefan]

Middlebury win... pop goes a bubble

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

MIT won't jump WPI, I don't think, but they'll be close and it might mean MIT gets to the table.

[Titan Q]

Update through NEWMAC and NESCAC finals...

Pool C Projection
Locks:
1. Marietta (OAC) 0.893/0.555/5-3, GL#1
2. Susquehanna (LAND) 0.840/0.554/4-3, MA#2
3. Amherst (NESCAC) .815/.561 (not updated)/5-2
4. Plattsburgh State (SUNYAC) 0.808/0.551/4-3, EA#1
5. Salisbury (CAC) 0.778/0.562/4-3, MA#3
6. Ohio Wesleyan (NCAC) 0.852/0.525/3-2, GL#2
7. North Central (CCIW) 0.720/0.600/3-7, CE#4
8. Tufts (NESCAC) 0.769/0.562/3-5, NE#3
9. Elmhurst (CCIW) 0.778/0.542/3-5, CE#5
10. Wooster (NCAC) 0.741/0.563/3-4, GL#6
11. Oswego State (SUNYAC) 0.714/0.552/6-2, EA#5
12. Trinity (NESCAC) 0.720/0.562/2-5, NE#2
13. Scranton (LAND) 0.720/0.556/2-4, MA#5
14. Hope (MIAA) 0.913/0.504/1-1, GL#4   
15. Rochester (UAA) 0.708/0.561/3-4, EA#2
16. WPI (NEWMAC) 0.769/0.521/5-3, NE#5

Bubble:
17. LaGrange (USAC) 0.708/0.551/3-2, SO#6
18. New Jersey City (NJAC) 0.692/0.525/4-2, AT#1
19. New York University (UAA) 0.800/0.509/3-3, EA#3
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20. Whitman (NWC) 0.840/0.509/1-2, WE#3
21. Carroll (MWC) 0.800/0.529/0-3, CE#8
22. North Carolina Wesleyan (USAC) 0.762/0.527/1-2, SO#5
23. Bethel (MIAC) 0.667/0.548/4-6, WE#7

Bubble Burster Games Remaining (in order of significance)
1. St. Olaf winning the MIAC (St. Thomas would be Pool C #1)  3:00pm
2. MSOE winning the NACC (Benedictine would be in Pool C top 3)  3:00pm
3. Randolph winning the ODAC (Lynchburg would be in the Pool C #12-13 range) 3:30pm
4. Colorado College winning the SCAC (Texas Lutheran would be in the Pool C #16-17 range)  1:00pm

[NCF]

Middlebury win... pop goes a bubble

Middlebury won!!

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

So, if TXLu wins, plus its looking like Whitman isn't going to get in - it's a no brainer to do a four team pod at TxLutheran with Whitworth and Chapman flying in (and Hardin-Simmons driving), right?  I think everyone else in the country can drive somewhere.

[KnightSlappy]

So, if TXLu wins, plus its looking like Whitman isn't going to get in - it's a no brainer to do a four team pod at TxLutheran with Whitworth and Chapman flying in (and Hardin-Simmons driving), right?  I think everyone else in the country can drive somewhere.

Tx Lutheran doesn't deserve to host a full pod based on their ranking. I'd love it if they could spend even one more flight to make a better bracket (but we don't know they can).

Whitman certainly isn't out of the discussion though.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

So, if TXLu wins, plus its looking like Whitman isn't going to get in - it's a no brainer to do a four team pod at TxLutheran with Whitworth and Chapman flying in (and Hardin-Simmons driving), right?  I think everyone else in the country can drive somewhere.

Tx Lutheran doesn't deserve to host a full pod based on their ranking. I'd love it if they could spend even one more flight to make a better bracket (but we don't know they can).

Whitman certainly isn't out of the discussion though.

They're going to be #1 in their region.  That's what the committee typically looks at for hosting.  If there's two orphans, it only makes sense to fly there.  If Whitman gets in, then I think they use a bye up there and fly the TX winner to the other.

[KnightSlappy]

So, if TXLu wins, plus its looking like Whitman isn't going to get in - it's a no brainer to do a four team pod at TxLutheran with Whitworth and Chapman flying in (and Hardin-Simmons driving), right?  I think everyone else in the country can drive somewhere.

Tx Lutheran doesn't deserve to host a full pod based on their ranking. I'd love it if they could spend even one more flight to make a better bracket (but we don't know they can).

Whitman certainly isn't out of the discussion though.

They're going to be #1 in their region.  That's what the committee typically looks at for hosting.  If there's two orphans, it only makes sense to fly there.  If Whitman gets in, then I think they use a bye up there and fly the TX winner to the other.

I'm not convinced of that yet. I could see Lynchburg and/or Emory jumping them.

[Titan Q]

They're going to be #1 in their region.  That's what the committee typically looks at for hosting. 

Are you sure about this? 

Doesn't it just simply come down to the numbers?  A #3 from one region can be "seeded" higher than a #1 from another region.

[bopol]

My guess is that Hardin-Simmons plays at Texas Lutheran on Thursday and the winner flies to Augustana, who gets a first round bye.

Chapman plays Whitworth with the winner getting Whitman (who also has a bye).

Emory gets a pod and takes Lagrange, Covenant and Birmingham-Southern.

Everyone else will drive.  Two flights for the first round.

From a 'making brackets' standpoint, the Middlebury-Amherst thing makes picking sites in the Northeast even worse.  You've already got questionable teams in the East and Atlantic and more deserving teams and Mid-Atlantic and South, so it's a bit chaotic trying to figure out who deserves to even host in the northeast part of the country.

[KnightSlappy]

I think St. Thomas is getting a bye. I think they'll be something like the top seeded team in the tournament and I don't think we'll need 2 geographical byes. Other deserving teams would be Christopher Newport and Benedictine.

Could fly the Texas winner to St. Thomas. I think the seeding there would be close to right.

[Greek Tragedy]

Why does Whitman get a bye and not Whitworth?

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

They're going to be #1 in their region.  That's what the committee typically looks at for hosting. 

Are you sure about this? 

Doesn't it just simply come down to the numbers?  A #3 from one region can be "seeded" higher than a #1 from another region.

At least in recent times, they've worked hard to have two hosts from each region, unless geography changes things.

I don't think they're going to entirely stiff one region.  I mean, if Whitworth has to travel (because Whitman doesn't get it), they're not going to replace them with another West host, because there isn't a good candidate, but usually they try to have two from each.

Things will be a little easier this time, geography-wise, because you can have a full south pod at either lynchburg or emory.  This will be the year to know, because the East and Atlantic sure don't deserve more than one host a piece.

I also don't think they'll deny a #1 team in any region the chance to host.  If TXLutheran is #1 AND there are only two west coast teams, I think they'll host a four-teamer.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

If LaGrange gets in, that does complicate things.  It puts an extra team down there and messes up that nice neat pod at Emory/Lynchburg.

[bopol]

Why does Whitman get a bye and not Whitworth?

Mostly because I always switch them in my head.