Pool C

[KnightSlappy]

Here's what I'm looking at in the South right now, sort is RPI as per usual.

RG   ##   WP      bSOS    bRPI    NAT   Pool   D3      RRO   CONFER   TEAM
SO   01   0.708   0.587   0.617   014   A      17-7    5-4   UAA      Emory
SO   02   0.778   0.541   0.600   026   A      21-6    3-2   ODAC     Lynchburg
SO   03   0.778   0.535   0.596   030   A      21-6    3-0   SCAC     Texas Lutheran

Texas Lutheran is 3-0 vRRO, but those are ETBU, who will be 7th or worse in the region, and Alma who will be no higher than 4th in the GL.

[KnightSlappy]

Looks like MSJ is going to lose to Rose-Hulman. There goes a team who could get to Emory.

[pg04]

Looks like MSJ is going to lose to Rose-Hulman. There goes a team who could get to Emory.

You jinxed them.

[KnightSlappy]

Looks like MSJ is going to lose to Rose-Hulman. There goes a team who could get to Emory.

You jinxed them.

WELP spoke too soon.

[bopol]

I'm sure there are still mistakes, but I'll share this.  Still going off of my last Pool C projection, except I dropped St. John Fisher for Middlebury.

Bracket of 16 (top team is home team for pod) - intention for St. Thomas or Augustana to host second weekend.

St Thomas
bye
Texas Lutheran (home vs. Hardin-Simmons on Thursday and then winner to St. Thomas)
Hardin-Simmons

Emory
Covenent
LaGrange
Birmingham Southern

Augustana
Northwestern
Hope
Carroll

Whitworth
bye
Chapman
Whitman

Bracket of 16 (plan for Benedictine or John Carroll to host second weekend):

Benedictine
Westimister
Wooster
Ohio Wesleyan

John Carroll
Pitt-Greenburg
North Central
Denison

Marietta
Lycoming
Gwynedd Mercy
Elmhurst

St. Norbert
Central
UW-Oshkosh
Alma

Bracket of 16 (eye to Newport hosting second weekend)

Newport
Delaware Valley
Scranton
Franklin and Marshall

Catholic
Mt St. Joseph
Rochester
Middlebury

Lynchberg
St Vincent
NYU
Brooklyn

Susquenhanna
SUNY-Old Westbury
WPI
Trinity

Bracket of 16 (with eye to Amherst hosting 2nd weekend)

Amherst
Endicott
Lancaster Bible
Southern Vermont

Babson
Keene St.
Tufts
Skidmore

Plattsburgh St
Husson
Johnson and Wales
Hartwick

Stockton
Fitchsburg St
Salisbury
Cortland

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

I'm sure there are still mistakes, but I'll share this.  Still going off of my last Pool C projection, except I dropped St. John Fisher for Middlebury.

Bracket of 16 (top team is home team for pod) - intention for St. Thomas or Augustana to host second weekend.

St Thomas
bye
Texas Lutheran (home vs. Hardin-Simmons on Thursday and then winner to St. Thomas)
Hardin-Simmons

Emory
Covenent
LaGrange
Birmingham Southern

Augustana
Northwestern
Hope
Carroll

Whitworth
bye
Chapman
Whitman

Bracket of 16 (plan for Benedictine or John Carroll to host second weekend):

Benedictine
Westimister
Wooster
Ohio Wesleyan

John Carroll
Pitt-Greenburg
North Central
Denison

Marietta
Lycoming
Gwynedd Mercy
Elmhurst

St. Norbert
Central
UW-Oshkosh
Alma

Bracket of 16 (eye to Newport hosting second weekend)

Newport
Delaware Valley
Scranton
Franklin and Marshall

Catholic
Mt St. Joseph
Rochester
Middlebury

Lynchberg
St Vincent
NYU
Brooklyn

Susquenhanna
SUNY-Old Westbury
WPI
Trinity

Bracket of 16 (with eye to Amherst hosting 2nd weekend)

Amherst
Endicott
Lancaster Bible
Southern Vermont

Babson
Keene St.
Tufts
Skidmore

Plattsburgh St
Husson
Johnson and Wales
Hartwick

Stockton
Fitchsburg St
Salisbury
Cortland

Mt. St. Joseph can't get to Catholic.  More than 500 miles.

[bopol]

Mt. St. Joseph can't get to Catholic.  More than 500 miles.

What does the NCAA use (link, if you have it) because I got 499 miles.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

They're going to be #1 in their region.  That's what the committee typically looks at for hosting. 

Are you sure about this? 

Doesn't it just simply come down to the numbers?  A #3 from one region can be "seeded" higher than a #1 from another region.

At least in recent times, they've worked hard to have two hosts from each region, unless geography changes things.

I don't think they're going to entirely stiff one region.  I mean, if Whitworth has to travel (because Whitman doesn't get it), they're not going to replace them with another West host, because there isn't a good candidate, but usually they try to have two from each.

Things will be a little easier this time, geography-wise, because you can have a full south pod at either lynchburg or emory.  This will be the year to know, because the East and Atlantic sure don't deserve more than one host a piece.

I also don't think they'll deny a #1 team in any region the chance to host.  If TXLutheran is #1 AND there are only two west coast teams, I think they'll host a four-teamer.

I did double check - the priority is getting two hosts from each region, if they can swing it.  Geography often plays a part, but they don't award hosts nationally; they try to keep it regional.  You won't see three MA hosts like the mock bopol did.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Mt. St. Joseph can't get to Catholic.  More than 500 miles.

What does the NCAA use (link, if you have it) because I got 499 miles.

https://web1.ncaa.org/TES/exec/miles

[bopol]

I did double check - the priority is getting two hosts from each region, if they can swing it.  Geography often plays a part, but they don't award hosts nationally; they try to keep it regional.  You won't see three MA hosts like the mock bopol did.

There are going to be some weak hosts this year then. 

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

I did double check - the priority is getting two hosts from each region, if they can swing it.  Geography often plays a part, but they don't award hosts nationally; they try to keep it regional.  You won't see three MA hosts like the mock bopol did.

There are going to be some weak hosts this year then.

Rochester will probably host, which isn't a super strong team, but they're not terrible.  Brooklyn might get one.

I'd love to see a pod that's like, Brooklyn, Salisbury, St. Vincent, and Keene State.  That might be fun.

By the way, this is often why the east side of the bracket is easier and why we encourage them to cross the Appalachians with the pods to mix things up.


But everything's really going to hinge on whether Whitman and/or Lagrange is in.

[magicman]

From a 'making brackets' standpoint, the Middlebury-Amherst thing makes picking sites in the Northeast even worse.  You've already got questionable teams in the East and Atlantic and more deserving teams and Mid-Atlantic and South, so it's a bit chaotic trying to figure out who deserves to even host in the northeast part of the country.

Many times the NCAA sends teams from the Northeast Region over to Plattsburgh. Two years ago Plattsburgh hosted a first round pod and the NCAA sent Eastern Connecticut, Husson and MIT into Northern New York State. Almost everybody in New England and maybe all of the Northeast Region can drive to Plattsburgh. Plattsburgh is the #1 team in the East and stands a good chance to host. Cortland State could also host and is accessible for many Northeast Region teams as well. Middlebury may end up there.

Edit: You were posting as I was typing. I see you brought some Northeast teams to Plattsburgh.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

From a 'making brackets' standpoint, the Middlebury-Amherst thing makes picking sites in the Northeast even worse.  You've already got questionable teams in the East and Atlantic and more deserving teams and Mid-Atlantic and South, so it's a bit chaotic trying to figure out who deserves to even host in the northeast part of the country.

Many times the NCAA sends teams from the Northeast Region over to Plattsburgh. Two years ago Plattsburgh hosted a first round pod and the NCAA sent Eastern Connecticut, Husson and MIT into Northern New York State. Almost everybody in New England and maybe all of the Northeast Region can drive to Plattsburgh. Plattsburgh is the #1 team in the East and stands a good chance to host. Cortland State could also host and is accessible for many Northeast Region teams as well. Middlebury may end up there.

I think the other one is more likely to be Rochester, but yeah, the East often gets the NE overflow.  I try to put a team from four different regions into pods in the E, A, and MA regions when I do my mocks - just to try and mix things up a bit.  It all depends on how many are stuck in NE, though.  We have less teams from ME this year, so that should help.

[sac]

St. Olaf is beating St. Thomas about to go under 5 to play
http://tommiesports.com/broadcast/w7vf6i

[magicman]

I think the other one is more likely to be Rochester, but yeah, the East often gets the NE overflow.  I try to put a team from four different regions into pods in the E, A, and MA regions when I do my mocks - just to try and mix things up a bit.  It all depends on how many are stuck in NE, though.  We have less teams from ME this year, so that should help.

I'm still not convinced that Rochester gets a bid.

Bracket of 16 (with eye to Amherst hosting 2nd weekend)

Amherst
Endicott
Lancaster Bible
Southern Vermont

Babson
Keene St.
Tufts
Skidmore

Plattsburgh St
Husson
Johnson and Wales
Hartwick

Stockton
Fitchsburg St
Salisbury
Cortland

Having Amherst host the 2nd weekend may conflict with the Amherst women. Don't they have priority for the 2nd weekend?