Pool C

[SaintPaulite]

That's not reseeding. That's just saying the #1 seed plays the lowest seed.

... Which is exactly what the NESCAC is doing here.  Highest remaining seed plays the lowest remaining seed.

No, it's not.

There is no "highest remaining seed" It's *the* #1 seed. There's no ambiguity. It will always be the #1 seed and there will only ever be one #1 seed.

I don't understand what you are saying

What the NFL does (and the MIAC for that matter) is rewards the #1 seed for being better than the #2 seed. They both get byes, but the 1 seed gets the added reward of playing the presumably lesser team (though they may not actually be, because it's a long season, but the assumption is that it is).

None of this is contingent on other results, because there are no other results that affect them. There is never a reseeding.

Reseeding is "ok the 1 seed lost, so the 2 seed is the new 1 seed" (hence the term reseeding).

[SaintPaulite]

I mean, I know it's just St. Paul and not Minneapolis, but why you gotta give one of the twin towns such a bad name?

I've lived in both, and you have no idea how little referring to Saint Paul as "just" Saint Paul bothers me. Even if I do move back to Minneapolis or god forbid a damn suburb, Saint Paul will always be the place that gets me, and I get it. Not everyone does (on either account) and that's fine with me, and I think fine with us as well.

[Pat Coleman]

I mean, I know it's just St. Paul and not Minneapolis, but why you gotta give one of the twin towns such a bad name?

I've lived in both, and you have no idea how little referring to Saint Paul as "just" Saint Paul bothers me. Even if I do move back to Minneapolis or god forbid a damn suburb, Saint Paul will always be the place that gets me, and I get it. Not everyone does (on either account) and that's fine with me, and I think fine with us as well.

No worries. I've spent enough time in the area to know to only associate you with rude behavior and not the entire city.

[Conts Fan]

That's not reseeding. That's just saying the #1 seed plays the lowest seed.

... Which is exactly what the NESCAC is doing here.  Highest remaining seed plays the lowest remaining seed.

No, it's not.

There is no "highest remaining seed" It's *the* #1 seed. There's no ambiguity. It will always be the #1 seed and there will only ever be one #1 seed.

I don't understand what you are saying

What the NFL does (and the MIAC for that matter) is rewards the #1 seed for being better than the #2 seed. They both get byes, but the 1 seed gets the added reward of playing the presumably lesser team (though they may not actually be, because it's a long season, but the assumption is that it is).

None of this is contingent on other results, because there are no other results that affect them. There is never a reseeding.

Reseeding is "ok the 1 seed lost, so the 2 seed is the new 1 seed" (hence the term reseeding).

Yes - I know all of that. So rewarding the 1 seed for being better than the 2 seed is okay, but rewarding the 2 seed for being better than the 3 seed is not?

[Pat Coleman]

He's just drawing the line between reseeding and rebracketing as terms, although most people understand what is done in the NESCAC and the NFL and the like to be reseeding.

[augie77]

I have a wild and crazy idea.  We should create a board to discuss likely Pool C teams.

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[SaintPaulite]

That's not reseeding. That's just saying the #1 seed plays the lowest seed.

... Which is exactly what the NESCAC is doing here.  Highest remaining seed plays the lowest remaining seed.

No, it's not.

There is no "highest remaining seed" It's *the* #1 seed. There's no ambiguity. It will always be the #1 seed and there will only ever be one #1 seed.

I don't understand what you are saying

What the NFL does (and the MIAC for that matter) is rewards the #1 seed for being better than the #2 seed. They both get byes, but the 1 seed gets the added reward of playing the presumably lesser team (though they may not actually be, because it's a long season, but the assumption is that it is).

None of this is contingent on other results, because there are no other results that affect them. There is never a reseeding.

Reseeding is "ok the 1 seed lost, so the 2 seed is the new 1 seed" (hence the term reseeding).

Yes - I know all of that. So rewarding the 1 seed for being better than the 2 seed is okay, but rewarding the 2 seed for being better than the 3 seed is not?

I thought you said you didn't understand? Seems like you understood just fine!

It's the conditional reward part of it that I think is "gaming". If you think being a 2 seed is reward-worthy then whatever. But if it's only under certain conditions, then I don't think that's right.

I recognize that reasonable people can differ on this.

[GoPerry]

Your false claim that Nescac faculty have no influence over Nescac athletic policies only against exposes your total lack of knowledge about the conference.

Faculty from the NESCAC schools have a great deal of influence over just about everything – believe me.

I have a child student-athlete who attended a NESCAC school.  Their team (spring sport) made the national tournament (first time in years) held in a southern state which happened to be during finals week.  One of their better players was not able to make the trip because one professor would not let them take the final at the competition site (which many other team mates did and for which the NCAA provides a hotel conference room for this purpose).  Pleading by coaches, parents etc had no effect and the President and AD made clear they were not going to get in the way.  None of us liked it.  But the player missed it.

The NESCAC schools make academics a priority over pretty much everything else and they make no apology for it.  Whether this benefits or disadvantages them in NCAA D3 Basketball, I don't think the school Presidents care either way.  It's really just a different philosophy overall.  Football an example.

[SaintPaulite]

I mean, I know it's just St. Paul and not Minneapolis, but why you gotta give one of the twin towns such a bad name?

I've lived in both, and you have no idea how little referring to Saint Paul as "just" Saint Paul bothers me. Even if I do move back to Minneapolis or god forbid a damn suburb, Saint Paul will always be the place that gets me, and I get it. Not everyone does (on either account) and that's fine with me, and I think fine with us as well.

No worries. I've spent enough time in the area to know to only associate you with rude behavior and not the entire city.

Well that's not a very Minnesota nice thing to say, is it?

Hopefully Amy K teaches the difference between Minnesota nice and "tough but fair" to the whole country soon. I think both are core values of the region. But I think both this and the invitation to comparison of the Twin Cities is off topic for most.

I think I'm both, and I think that's all I've ever been here. But whether or not people + or - me, I know people are reading, and the right people are reading.

Maybe someday we'll have a connected, coherent bracket with travel restrictions based on something other than an arbitrary mileage number. Maybe we'll have a way of evaluating for Pool C and for bracketing that reflects the data-rich age in which we live now rather than the very rough numbers we illogically rely on now. Maybe I can say I helped start that at-the-beginning-unpopular discussion.

I think (no, I know for a fact) there are more people that agree with me on many things here than feel at liberty to say so. And I'll leave you to ponder why that might be and what it means for you.

[SaintPaulite]

I have a wild and crazy idea.  We should create a board to discuss likely Pool C teams.

I tried. yesterday. No one seemed too interested.

Today we're choosing sides of the Mississippi (or 280), apparently.

[SaintPaulite]

Your false claim that Nescac faculty have no influence over Nescac athletic policies only against exposes your total lack of knowledge about the conference.

Faculty from the NESCAC schools have a great deal of influence over just about everything – believe me.

I have a child student-athlete who attended a NESCAC school.  Their team (spring sport) made the national tournament (first time in years) held in a southern state which happened to be during finals week.  One of their better players was not able to make the trip because one professor would not let them take the final at the competition site (which many other team mates did and for which the NCAA provides a hotel conference room for this purpose).  Pleading by coaches, parents etc had no effect and the President and AD made clear they were not going to get in the way.  None of us liked it.  But the player missed it.

NESCAC isn't unique on that in D3.

[SaintPaulite]

He's just drawing the line between reseeding and rebracketing as terms, although most people understand what is done in the NESCAC and the NFL and the like to be reseeding.

But it's not, and it's not either of those.

There is never a bracket for the 1 or 2 seeds until after the wild-card/play-in/first round is done.

I would liken it more to the FA Cup (only it's not a total blind draw, obviously) but it's not expected knowledge for a D3 basketball board.

[kiko]

He's just drawing the line between reseeding and rebracketing as terms, although most people understand what is done in the NESCAC and the NFL and the like to be reseeding.

But it's not, and it's not either of those.

There is never a bracket for the 1 or 2 seeds until after the wild-card/play-in/first round is done.

I would liken it more to the FA Cup (only it's not a total blind draw, obviously) but it's not expected knowledge for a D3 basketball board.

So the NFL has a system in which, after the first round, the highest remaining seed plays the lowest remaining seed.

And the NESCAC has a system in which, after the first round, the highest remaining seed plays the lowest remaining seed.

But one of these is good and one of these is the devil incarnate and creates a sham system.  Got it.

[SaintPaulite]

He's just drawing the line between reseeding and rebracketing as terms, although most people understand what is done in the NESCAC and the NFL and the like to be reseeding.

But it's not, and it's not either of those.

There is never a bracket for the 1 or 2 seeds until after the wild-card/play-in/first round is done.

I would liken it more to the FA Cup (only it's not a total blind draw, obviously) but it's not expected knowledge for a D3 basketball board.

So the NFL has a system in which, after the first round, the highest remaining seed plays the lowest remaining seed.

And the NESCAC has a system in which, after the first round, the highest remaining seed plays the lowest remaining seed.

But one of these is good and one of these is the devil incarnate and creates a sham system.  Got it.

Nope. You don't got it.

I'm not sure why people think "the highest remaining seed", which could be any number of possible seeds, is the same as the #1 seed -- always and forever.