Pool C

[SpringSt7]

Of the potential bubble bursters today, which teams would have the best chance at getting Pool C bids? I'm guessing WPI and RPI are already in, but what about teams like St. Joe's, Centre, and Yeshiva?

[sac]

Just to clarify, I hate RRO's because so many of them are conference related.  Its an extra, unneeded boost to bigger better and sometimes better bigger conferences.


Just an example
Albion played Mt. Union and Marietta out of conference, they'll have 2 RRO's
Wittenberg played Elmira out out of conference, they'll have 6 RRO's

I fixed it for you. 

Massey
MIAA #7
NCAC #8

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Of the potential bubble bursters today, which teams would have the best chance at getting Pool C bids? I'm guessing WPI and RPI are already in, but what about teams like St. Joe's, Centre, and Yeshiva?

Centre has a pretty good chance, then St Joe's, then Yeshiva - and I would not want to be either of those last two.

[SpringSt7]

Of the potential bubble bursters today, which teams would have the best chance at getting Pool C bids? I'm guessing WPI and RPI are already in, but what about teams like St. Joe's, Centre, and Yeshiva?

Centre has a pretty good chance, then St Joe's, then Yeshiva - and I would not want to be either of those last two.

Has any 2 loss team ever missed out on the tournament? Because that's what Yeshiva would be, and I can't imagine it's many.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Of the potential bubble bursters today, which teams would have the best chance at getting Pool C bids? I'm guessing WPI and RPI are already in, but what about teams like St. Joe's, Centre, and Yeshiva?

Centre has a pretty good chance, then St Joe's, then Yeshiva - and I would not want to be either of those last two.

Has any 2 loss team ever missed out on the tournament? Because that's what Yeshiva would be, and I can't imagine it's many.

I'm almost positive it's happened.  A lot of times there are teams with really good records in very weak conferences who lose in conference tournaments and miss out with very few losses.  Southern Vermont comes to mind, although I think they were 24-3 in the year they missed out.  Some of these teams never even make the regional rankings so we sometimes forget about them after the fact.  It seems like Albertus Magnus missed out one year with just 2 losses.

[Fifth and Putnam]

La Roche missed last year at 24-3...a few years back in the same conference (AMCC) Penn St.-Behrend missed out at 23-3.

[Viking Mike]

So frustrating to see so many tournament worth teams being left home in the Central!

If they leave the CCIW, WIAC, Wash U, St Norbert, etc all in the Central region going forward, they should consider expanding the # of regionally ranked teams to 10, or something.  There are just too many skilled and talented teams in this part of the country to say "you get a regionally ranked win for this team at #8, but not for this lesser team at #9.  I think the # of regionally ranked teams is based on # of schools in the area, but shouldn't there be other factors involved?  Perhaps taking into account the # of teams from the Central that have made the Final Four over the years, or won the championship?  or collective winning percentage?

Early season injuries and players leaving team really handcuffed the Vikings this year. (freshman Duwa, junior Fraikes with injuries and freshmen McDonald, junior Tribble -left team)  New rotations and inexperience really cost Augie in the Oshkosh, Wash U, Lacrosse , and IWU games early on.  Only 2 wins instead of 4 losses would have likely made the difference.

IWU has really come on strong at the end of the year and they certainly are deserving of an NCAA bid, but it doesn't look good for them either.

Time to look forward to recruiting and building on the success of this year for the 2020-21 Vikings! 

[SpringSt7]

Of the potential bubble bursters today, which teams would have the best chance at getting Pool C bids? I'm guessing WPI and RPI are already in, but what about teams like St. Joe's, Centre, and Yeshiva?

Centre has a pretty good chance, then St Joe's, then Yeshiva - and I would not want to be either of those last two.

Has any 2 loss team ever missed out on the tournament? Because that's what Yeshiva would be, and I can't imagine it's many.

I'm almost positive it's happened.  A lot of times there are teams with really good records in very weak conferences who lose in conference tournaments and miss out with very few losses.  Southern Vermont comes to mind, although I think they were 24-3 in the year they missed out.  Some of these teams never even make the regional rankings so we sometimes forget about them after the fact.  It seems like Albertus Magnus missed out one year with just 2 losses.

Crazy to think that Yeshiva very well could have come into this game undefeated and still have been squarely on the bubble. Watching them play Williams in early February, there was a playoff like intensity to them, like they knew they needed to have it for resume purposes.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Of the potential bubble bursters today, which teams would have the best chance at getting Pool C bids? I'm guessing WPI and RPI are already in, but what about teams like St. Joe's, Centre, and Yeshiva?

Centre has a pretty good chance, then St Joe's, then Yeshiva - and I would not want to be either of those last two.

Has any 2 loss team ever missed out on the tournament? Because that's what Yeshiva would be, and I can't imagine it's many.

I'm almost positive it's happened.  A lot of times there are teams with really good records in very weak conferences who lose in conference tournaments and miss out with very few losses.  Southern Vermont comes to mind, although I think they were 24-3 in the year they missed out.  Some of these teams never even make the regional rankings so we sometimes forget about them after the fact.  It seems like Albertus Magnus missed out one year with just 2 losses.

Crazy to think that Yeshiva very well could have come into this game undefeated and still have been squarely on the bubble. Watching them play Williams in early February, there was a playoff like intensity to them, like they knew they needed to have it for resume purposes.

It would be harder to live with because they actually scheduled really well this year and their opponents largely had down seasons.  Their Non-conference SOS is pretty good, though, so maybe the committee would find a way to get them in.  It's not like it would be impossible.

They are currently on a 20-2 run in their conference championship game, so hopefully they'll be in with the AQ and not worried about it.

[Greek Tragedy]

BOLD is AQ
CROSSED OUT is Pool C
Atlantic           
Rank   School   vs. D3   Overall
1   Stevens   21-4   21-4
2   Yeshiva   24-1   24-1 FINAL TODAY
3   Eastern   14-9   16-9
4   TCNJ   17-8   17-8
5   DeSales   17-8   17-8
6   Wesley   16-8   16-9 POOL B
7   Stockton   17-8   17-8
8   Gwynedd Mercy   19-6   19-6
           
Central           
1   UW-Platteville   20-3   22-3
2   Washington U.   20-4   20-4
3   Benedictine    20-5   20-5
4   North Central (Ill.)   21-4   21-4
5   Elmhurst   20-5   20-5
6   St. Norbert   22-3   22-3
7   UW-Oshkosh   17-8   17-8
8   UW-La Crosse   20-5   20-5
           
East           
1   Brockport   22-3   22-3
2   RPI   21-3   22-3 IN FINAL TODAY
3   Hobart   21-4   21-4
4   Rochester   16-8   16-8
5   SUNY Potsdam   19-5   19-6
6   SUNY Oneonta   18-7   18-7
7   Oswego State   18-7   18-7
8   Ithaca   20-5   20-5 FINAL TODAY
           
Great Lakes     
1   Mount Union   22-3   22-3
2   Wittenberg   24-1   24-1
3   Marietta   20-5   20-5
4   Wooster   18-7   18-7
5   Albion   21-4   21-4
6   Wabash   17-8   17-8
7   John Carroll   17-8   17-8
8   Transylvania   17-8   17-8 FINAL TODAY
9   La Roche   19-6   19-6
           
Middle Atlantic     
1   Swarthmore   25-0   25-0
2   Johns Hopkins   22-3   22-3
3   Christopher Newport   20-5   20-5
4   York (Pa.)   20-5   20-5
5   Drew   20-5   20-5
6   Widener   19-5   19-6
7   Muhlenberg   18-7   18-7
8   Arcadia   15-10   15-10
           
Northeast     
1   Springfield   22-3   22-3
2   Middlebury   20-5   20-5
3   Tufts   19-6   19-6 IN FINAL
4   Colby   23-2   23-2 IN FINAL
5   WPI   19-6   19-6 IN FINAL
6   Babson   20-5   20-5
7   St. Joseph (Conn.)   21-2   23-2 IN FINAL
8   Amherst   18-7   18-7
9   Trinity (Conn.)   17-8   17-8
10   New England College   19-6   19-6
11   Albertus Magnus   20-4   20-4 IN FINAL
           
South           
1   Emory   20-4   20-4
2   Randolph-Macon   23-2   23-2 IN FINAL
3   Texas-Dallas   20-5   20-5
4   LeTourneau   20-5   20-5
5   Centre   21-4   22-4 IN FINAL
6   Virginia Wesleyan   20-4   21-4 IN FINAL
7   Guilford   18-7   18-7
8   East Texas Baptist   19-6   19-6
           
West           
1   St. Thomas   23-2   23-2
2   Nebraska Wesleyan   22-3   22-3
3   St. John's    23-2   23-2
4   Whitworth   20-5   20-5
5   Loras   17-8   17-8
6   Redlands   17-6   18-6
7   Linfield   15-5   20-5
8   Pomona-Pitzer   17-3   19-5

[Titan Q]

Just to clarify, I hate RRO's because so many of them are conference related.  Its an extra, unneeded boost to bigger and sometimes better conferences.

But if the process is meant to identify the best teams, isn't it good to have a metric where they can discuss some of the specific results?

For example, UW-Eau Claire:

* RRO Wins - Whitworth, Oshkosh, Platteville
* RRO Losses - Wash U, St. Norbert, Platteville, Oshkosh, La Crosse, Platteville, La Crosse, Oshkosh

Seems being able to highlight these results and discuss them is valuable.  To me it is very helpful to be able to compare these results vs, say, a Hobart.  Who has the "best wins"?  Who has the "best losses"?  Etc.

[D3RetiredHooper]

Coast Guard from down 24 at half time bursts a bubble.  WPI definitely in, they were probably in discussion to host a pod.

[ronk]

Coast Guard from down 24 at half time bursts a bubble.  WPI definitely in, they were probably in discussion to host a pod.

Probably an all-time run for an AQ.

[Greek Tragedy]

Updated

BOLD is AQ
CROSSED OUT is Pool C
Atlantic           
Rank   School   vs. D3   Overall
1   Stevens   21-4   21-4
2   Yeshiva   24-1   24-1
3   Eastern   14-9   16-9
4   TCNJ   17-8   17-8
5   DeSales   17-8   17-8
6   Wesley   16-8   16-9 POOL B
7   Stockton   17-8   17-8
8   Gwynedd Mercy   19-6   19-6
           
Central           
1   UW-Platteville   20-3   22-3
2   Washington U.   20-4   20-4
3   Benedictine    20-5   20-5
4   North Central (Ill.)   21-4   21-4
5   Elmhurst   20-5   20-5
6   St. Norbert   22-3   22-3
7   UW-Oshkosh   17-8   17-8
8   UW-La Crosse   20-5   20-5
           
East           
1   Brockport   22-3   22-3
2   RPI   21-3   22-3
3   Hobart   21-4   21-4
4   Rochester   16-8   16-8
5   SUNY Potsdam   19-5   19-6
6   SUNY Oneonta   18-7   18-7
7   Oswego State   18-7   18-7
8   Ithaca   20-5   20-5
           
Great Lakes     
1   Mount Union   22-3   22-3
2   Wittenberg   24-1   24-1
3   Marietta   20-5   20-5
4   Wooster   18-7   18-7
5   Albion   21-4   21-4
6   Wabash   17-8   17-8
7   John Carroll   17-8   17-8
8   Transylvania   17-8   17-8
9   La Roche   19-6   19-6
           
Middle Atlantic     
1   Swarthmore   25-0   25-0
2   Johns Hopkins   22-3   22-3
3   Christopher Newport   20-5   20-5
4   York (Pa.)   20-5   20-5
5   Drew   20-5   20-5
6   Widener   19-5   19-6
7   Muhlenberg   18-7   18-7
8   Arcadia   15-10   15-10
           
Northeast     
1   Springfield   22-3   22-3
2   Middlebury   20-5   20-5
3   Tufts   19-6   19-6
4   Colby   23-2   23-2
5   WPI   19-6   19-6
6   Babson   20-5   20-5
7   St. Joseph (Conn.)   21-2   23-2
8   Amherst   18-7   18-7
9   Trinity (Conn.)   17-8   17-8
10   New England College   19-6   19-6
11   Albertus Magnus   20-4   20-4
           
South           
1   Emory   20-4   20-4
2   Randolph-Macon   23-2   23-2
3   Texas-Dallas   20-5   20-5
4   LeTourneau   20-5   20-5
5   Centre   21-4   22-4
6   Virginia Wesleyan   20-4   21-4
7   Guilford   18-7   18-7
8   East Texas Baptist   19-6   19-6
           
West           
1   St. Thomas   23-2   23-2
2   Nebraska Wesleyan   22-3   22-3
3   St. John's    23-2   23-2
4   Whitworth   20-5   20-5
5   Loras   17-8   17-8
6   Redlands   17-6   18-6
7   Linfield   15-5   20-5
8   Pomona-Pitzer   17-3   19-5

[Greek Tragedy]

RPI lost and WPI lost, those are two Pool Cs taken now because Ithaca and Coast Guard took their AQs