Pool C

[Pat Coleman]

Is Yeshiva able to play on Friday night or do they have to adjust the schedule for religious purposes? I don't see how the NCAA has a pod with Yeshiva hosting due to their resume and then factors of when they can play games and handle hosting responsibilities.  It's a can of worms I doubt the NCAA would be willing to open if there are alternative options. They were most likely not going to get in if they lost in the conference tournament.

I don't think that their time restrictions should impact how they/whether they host. The committee already has those things in mind and I think it is actually less of a problem if they are at home because of less travel.

Last time Yeshiva qualified for the tournament they played at York (Pa.) in the middle of Friday afternoon and it was great. The committee is hoping to schedule more mid- to late-afternoon Friday games this year and spread that first round out more.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Is Yeshiva able to play on Friday night or do they have to adjust the schedule for religious purposes? I don't see how the NCAA has a pod with Yeshiva hosting due to their resume and then factors of when they can play games and handle hosting responsibilities.  It's a can of worms I doubt the NCAA would be willing to open if there are alternative options. They were most likely not going to get in if they lost in the conference tournament.

Our mock had Yeshiva hosting largely because geography limited options out west and we didn't think the committee would give the nescac three pods.  There are a lot of options with that spot (including RPI, probably).  When Yeshiva was in the tournament two years ago, they did adjust the schedule so they could play early Friday afternoon.  If they win, the second game will be late Saturday night (after sundown).

However, the committee is hoping to stagger start times the first weekend if they can anyway - so we may seen games from 1pm on through the rest of the day.  But certainly Yeshiva will be playing early on Friday, no matter where they end up.

[Bartman]

Here's our projected bracket:
https://www.d3hoops.com/playoffs/men/2020/projected-mens-bracket

Hobart last team in, hoping it happens

[D3RetiredHooper]

Our mock had Yeshiva hosting largely because geography limited options out west and we didn't think the committee would give the nescac three pods.  There are a lot of options with that spot (including RPI, probably).  When Yeshiva was in the tournament two years ago, they did adjust the schedule so they could play early Friday afternoon.  If they win, the second game will be late Saturday night (after sundown).

However, the committee is hoping to stagger start times the first weekend if they can anyway - so we may seen games from 1pm on through the rest of the day.  But certainly Yeshiva will be playing early on Friday, no matter where they end up.

My two points were Yeshiva's resume was probably bubble out if they lost in the Skyline tournament so to go from being out to hosting is a bit of a stretch.  Their resume is not better than Wooster's (2-GL), RPI's (2-E), or York's (3-MA) who all are solid viable hosting options and can get to a lot of the other host sites.  In addition to that, on the official box score from the Purchase game, which was standing room only packed, it said official attendance 950.  Is that enough for the NCAA to allow Yeshiva to host?  I am not sure what the capacity requirement is for a host pod.

Also, it's my understanding Yeshiva practices orthodox Judiasm.  I am no religious expert but from sun down Friday to sun down Saturday you are not allowed to pretty much do anything, correct?  How would that work for practice time for the opposing winning team? I assume everyone that works/attends Yeshiva is Jewish orthodox and would not be available to unlock the gym, clean up from the prior game, do laundry etc... that a host site typically would handle.

I understand it's a mock bracket but that is what I meant when saying the NCAA probably does not want to open up that can of worms when there are plenty of other viable options.

[sac]

Yeshiva has 1100 seat capacity listed on the d3hoops.com site, I believe similarly sized gyms have been to small to host in the past.

[ronk]

Yeshiva has 1100 seat capacity listed on the d3hoops.com site, I believe similarly sized gyms have been to small to host in the past.

In the past, no minimums have been listed for the 1st weekend, only the 2nd.

[Caz Bombers]

Our mock had Yeshiva hosting largely because geography limited options out west and we didn't think the committee would give the nescac three pods.  There are a lot of options with that spot (including RPI, probably).  When Yeshiva was in the tournament two years ago, they did adjust the schedule so they could play early Friday afternoon.  If they win, the second game will be late Saturday night (after sundown).

However, the committee is hoping to stagger start times the first weekend if they can anyway - so we may seen games from 1pm on through the rest of the day.  But certainly Yeshiva will be playing early on Friday, no matter where they end up.

My two points were Yeshiva's resume was probably bubble out if they lost in the Skyline tournament so to go from being out to hosting is a bit of a stretch.  Their resume is not better than Wooster's (2-GL), RPI's (2-E), or York's (3-MA) who all are solid viable hosting options and can get to a lot of the other host sites.  In addition to that, on the official box score from the Purchase game, which was standing room only packed, it said official attendance 950.  Is that enough for the NCAA to allow Yeshiva to host?  I am not sure what the capacity requirement is for a host pod.

Also, it's my understanding Yeshiva practices orthodox Judiasm.  I am no religious expert but from sun down Friday to sun down Saturday you are not allowed to pretty much do anything, correct?  How would that work for practice time for the opposing winning team? I assume everyone that works/attends Yeshiva is Jewish orthodox and would not be available to unlock the gym, clean up from the prior game, do laundry etc... that a host site typically would handle.

I understand it's a mock bracket but that is what I meant when saying the NCAA probably does not want to open up that can of worms when there are plenty of other viable options.

a really inaccurate assumption tbh

[Greek Tragedy]

Yeshiva has 1100 seat capacity listed on the d3hoops.com site, I believe similarly sized gyms have been to small to host in the past.

In the past, no minimums have been listed for the 1st weekend, only the 2nd.

I always thought it was 1,000. That was enough to clear out the gym after the 1st game.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Yeshiva has 1100 seat capacity listed on the d3hoops.com site, I believe similarly sized gyms have been to small to host in the past.

In the past, no minimums have been listed for the 1st weekend, only the 2nd.

I always thought it was 1,000. That was enough to clear out the gym after the 1st game.

I've heard 800 for first weekend - and they'd do two sessions.  I really don't think Yeshiva is going to get to host, although their chances did improve in my mind (obviously) while bracketing.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Our mock had Yeshiva hosting largely because geography limited options out west and we didn't think the committee would give the nescac three pods.  There are a lot of options with that spot (including RPI, probably).  When Yeshiva was in the tournament two years ago, they did adjust the schedule so they could play early Friday afternoon.  If they win, the second game will be late Saturday night (after sundown).

However, the committee is hoping to stagger start times the first weekend if they can anyway - so we may seen games from 1pm on through the rest of the day.  But certainly Yeshiva will be playing early on Friday, no matter where they end up.

My two points were Yeshiva's resume was probably bubble out if they lost in the Skyline tournament so to go from being out to hosting is a bit of a stretch.  Their resume is not better than Wooster's (2-GL), RPI's (2-E), or York's (3-MA) who all are solid viable hosting options and can get to a lot of the other host sites.  In addition to that, on the official box score from the Purchase game, which was standing room only packed, it said official attendance 950.  Is that enough for the NCAA to allow Yeshiva to host?  I am not sure what the capacity requirement is for a host pod.

Also, it's my understanding Yeshiva practices orthodox Judiasm.  I am no religious expert but from sun down Friday to sun down Saturday you are not allowed to pretty much do anything, correct?  How would that work for practice time for the opposing winning team? I assume everyone that works/attends Yeshiva is Jewish orthodox and would not be available to unlock the gym, clean up from the prior game, do laundry etc... that a host site typically would handle.

I understand it's a mock bracket but that is what I meant when saying the NCAA probably does not want to open up that can of worms when there are plenty of other viable options.

Typically, if the committee can't go with the criteria-justified hosts, they will stick to regional rankings.  RPI definitely would fit that bill, as would Wooster (although Wooster created more geographical problems than it solved in the end).  At some point, though, with all the work we're doing on this, we just have to call it.

Two years ago, the committee had trouble finding a host who could accommodate Yeshiva's needs for the weekend.  If that becomes an issue again, there's plenty of justification to just have them stay home.  I don't think Yeshiva will host, but it would not be an unprecedented or unjustified decision if they do.

[Titan Q]

2019-20 Season
1. (MA) Swarthmore: .963/.570/11-1
2. (C) Platteville: .833/.567/8-1
3. (NE) Springfield: .846//.579/5-2
4. (NE) Middlebury: .800/.571/5-4
5. (W) St. Thomas: .889/.557/3-3
6. (NE) Colby: .889/.541/4-3
7. (GL) Wittenberg: .929/.513/3-2
8. (C) North Central: .808/.547/2-3
9. (C) Wash U: 800/.557/3-3
10. (MA) Christopher Newport: .778/.544/4-5
11. (S) Texas-Dallas: .778/.549/4-3
12. (GL) Marietta: .778/.529/4-4
13. (W) Whitworth: .778/.531/3-6
14. (NE) WPI: .741/.553/3-5
15. (E) RPI: .846/.519/3-2
16. (NE) Babson: .769/.534/3-4
17. (C) Benedictine: .769/.508/3-0
18. (C) St. Norbert: .852/.535/2-2
19. (E) Hobart: .808/.521/3-4
20. (C) UW-Eau Claire: .679/.591/3-8

2018-19 Season
1. (C) Augustana: .889, 24-3/.547/8-3
2. (S) Randolph-Macon: .893, 25-3/.534/6-3
3. (NE) Hamilton: .885, 23-3/.553/4-3
4. (NE) Williams: .769, 20-6/.598/6-5
5. (C) UW-Oshkosh: .885, 23-3/.542/3-3
6. (W) Loras: .778, 21-6/.587/2-2
7. (GL) Marietta: .769, 20-6/.549/6-4
8. (MA) York (Pa.): .750, 21-7/.561/6-4
9. (W) St. Thomas: .846, 22-4/.532/4-1
10. (GL) Wooster: .821, 23-5/.543/3-4
11. (E) Rochester: .800, 20-5/.539/5-2
12. (GL) Capital: .741, 20-7/.546/6-4
13. (E) Plattsburgh State: .760, 19-6/.531/6-6
14. (AT) New Jersey City: .741, 20-7/.551/6-6
15. (NE) MIT: .846, 22-4/.555/1-0
16. (NE) Middlebury: .708, 17-7/.600/4-5
17. (MA) Salisbury: .704, 19-8/.575/4-7
18. (C) Wheaton: .704, 19-8/.574/4-5
19. (AT) Ramapo: .667, 18-9/.567/8-5
20. (C) UW-La Crosse .654, 17-9/.574/4-4

2017-18 Season
1. Hamilton (NE/NESCAC): .846 (22-4)/.573/6-3 
2. Wesleyan (NE/NESCAC): .778 (21-6)/.590/8-4   
3. UW-Platteville (CE/WIAC: .833 (20-4)/.577/4-1   
4. Whitman (WE/NWC): .962 (25-1)/.515/4-1
5. Swarthmore (MA/CC): .815 (22-5)/.542/3-4   
6. St. John's (WE/MIAC): .880 (22-3)/.524/3-2 
7. Middlebury (NE/NESCAC): .760 (19-6).590/4-6   
8. Wooster (GL/NCAC): .778 (21-6)/.565/4-3
9. Marietta (GL/OAC): .778 (21-6)/.564/4-5   
10. New Jersey City (AT/NJAC): .731 (19-7)/.567/6-4   
11. Emory (SO/UAA): .840 (21-4)/.530/4-2 
12. Christopher Newport (MA/CAC): .777 (21-6)/.546/3-2   
13. UW-Oshkosh (CE/WIAC): .741 (20-7)/.554/2-4   
14. St. Olaf (WE/MIAC): .731 (19-7)/.544/3-2   
15. Albright (MA/Commonwealth): .769 (20-6)/.544/3-2   
16. Franklin and Marshall (MA/CC): .769 (20-6)/.536/3-4 
17. North Central (CE/CCIW): .692 (18-8)/.563/4-5   
18. Illinois Wesleyan (CE/CCIW): .731 (19-7)/.550/3-6 
19. Springfield (NE/NEWMAC): .692 (18-8)/.558/4-2 
20. Brockport (E/SUNYAC): .731/.529/3-3
21. LeTourneau (SO/ASC): .852 (23-4)/.511/2-2

2016-17 Season
1. Babson (NE/NEWMAC): .926/.574/4-1
2. Williams (NE/NESCAC): .731/.592/7-4   
3. Susquehanna (MA/LAND): .800/.556/4-4
4. UW-Whitewater (C/WIAC): .769/.567/3-5
5. Rochester (E/UAA): .840/.534/4-2
6. Amherst (NE/NESCAC): .708/.598/5-5
7. Tufts (NE/NESCAC): .769/.566/4-4
8. Wesleyan (NE/NESCAC): .760/.560/4-3
9. Whitworth (W/NWC): .852/.544/0-3
10. Salisbury (MA/CAC): .741/.546/3-4
11. New Jersey City (AT/NJAC): .750/.533/5-4
12. Hope (GL/MIAA): .800/.525/2-1
13. Cabrini (AT/CSAC): .760/.531/2-3
14. Emory (S/UAA): .720/.547/2-3
15. Skidmore (E/LL): .731/.527/6-1
16. St. Lawrence (E/LL): .769/.526/3-5
17. Augustana (C/CCIW): .704/.542/2-2
18. Keene State (NE/LEC): .679/.575/3-4
19. Endicott (NE/CCC): .786/.532/1-1
20. St. Thomas (W/MIAC): .731/.530/1-2
21. UW-Oshkosh: (C/WIAC): .630/.601/5-6

[Greek Tragedy]

Those two years the WIAC rep was picked last, it lost in the 1st round, I believe.

[HOPEful]

I have minimal problems with these selections.

I do find the order a little perplexing. I feel like Albion and Hobart have almost identical resumes, with the tie-breaker going to Hobart via RROs. I find it interesting then, that the committee picked Hobart AHEAD of Eau Clare, but left Albion at the table.

If it were me, I would have picked Virginia Wesleyan over both and left both Hobart and Albion at the table.

[Titan Q]

I have minimal problems with these selections.

I do find the order a little perplexing. I feel like Albion and Hobart have almost identical resumes, with the tie-breaker going to Hobart via RROs. I find it interesting then, that the committee picked Hobart AHEAD of Eau Clare, but left Albion at the table.

If it were me, I would have picked Virginia Wesleyan over both and left both Hobart and Albion at the table.

We don't know the order.  The order above is just my guess.  It is somewhere in the ballpark, but certainly not perfect.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

I think Hobart was either 19 or 20.  The Potsdam resume (with a 5-3 vRRO) is very impressive.  No one else at the table would likely beat it - outside of maybe Eau Claire - I can't imagine they sat there for any length of time at all.