Pool C

[Titan Q]

Who is your Pool A team from the NESCAC---Williams or Amherst?

Williams when I did that.

Amherst not competitive for Pool C at this time due to .437 SOS.

https://tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com/p/division-iii-mens-regional-rankings.html

[Titan Q]

And Bob is insane to try and predict Pool C bids anytime before mid-January.

Actually, there is plenty of data to start to see the Pool C picture develop, and, most importantly, to start to have a sense of where some of the key battles might be, what key metrics to keep an eye on, etc.

[Titan Q]

Matt Snyder compiles Pool C data here...

https://tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com/p/division-iii-mens-regional-rankings.html

It's extremely helpful.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Matt Snyder compiles Pool C data here...

https://tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com/p/division-iii-mens-regional-rankings.html

It's extremely helpful.

His numbers project a .391 SOS for Yeshiva. They better get that AQ.

[SpringSt7]

What are the guidelines and criteria for the committee to compare teams that play a different amount of games? Thinking ahead with COVID cancelled games that may not get postponed. How would the committee compare a 17-2 team to a 21-6 team?

I know it would probably be unlikely that some teams would play 8 less games than others but for the sake of argument.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

What are the guidelines and criteria for the committee to compare teams that play a different amount of games? Thinking ahead with COVID cancelled games that may not get postponed. How would the committee compare a 17-2 team to a 21-6 team?

I know it would probably be unlikely that some teams would play 8 less games than others but for the sake of argument.

The criteria are winning percentage and SOS, neither of which requires the same number of games.  Results vs RRO can benefit teams with more games, but there are lots of other factors at play there, too.  It hurts St. Joe's to lose the Marietta game more than it hurts Marietta to lose it.

I've never heard any committee member note the overall total of a team's wins, unless the winning percentage is close - something like 18-7 vs 20-8 kind of thing - and even then only after comparing SOS and vRRO first.

If its a huge disparity like your example, they make take the SOS and vRRO into a higher consideration (or at least higher than they would with a .100 difference in winning percentage otherwise) - but you'll see basically the same process play out.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

We have differences in the number of games played in normal seasons. UAA plays 25... team in a conference that plays three or four rounds of a conference tournament has 28 to 29 games. Sometimes teams haven't gotten their full allotment of 24 games. And when teams don't play teams that count to primary criteria, there are a few more games lost.

So this is somewhat common place to work with resumes that don't have the exact number of games played.

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[Titan Q]

If the season ended today, I think we'd have brackets built around these four top seeds:

1) RMC: .929/.649/6-1
2) Marietta:.867/.628/5-2
3) IWU: .867/.608/6-2
4) UWO: .875/.643/6-1
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In the conversation:

*CNU: .882/.625/3-2
*WashU: .923/.556/3-0

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

If the season ended today, I think we'd have brackets built around these four top seeds:

1) RMC: .929/.649/6-1
2) Marietta:.867/.628/5-2
3) IWU: .867/.608/6-2
4) UWO: .875/.643/6-1
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In the conversation:

*CNU: .882/.625/3-2
*WashU: .923/.556/3-0

You don't think CNU would be ranked ahead of RMC, based on head-to-head results?

And if not, wouldn't UWO be head of IWU for the same reason?

[Titan Q]

If the season ended today, I think we'd have brackets built around these four top seeds:

1) RMC: .929/.649/6-1
2) Marietta:.867/.628/5-2
3) IWU: .867/.608/6-2
4) UWO: .875/.643/6-1
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In the conversation:

*CNU: .882/.625/3-2
*WashU: .923/.556/3-0

You don't think CNU would be ranked ahead of RMC, based on head-to-head results?

And if not, wouldn't UWO be head of IWU for the same reason?

The head-to-head is one data point, but not all, as you know.

I view RMCs WP/SOS/RRO metrics to be enough better than CNU's to be safely ahead there.

I don't think that quite applies for UWO over IWU.  I think UWO/IWU is close enough that the head to head is the tie-breaker.

[nescac1]

I think it's been said the committee is trying to be less geographically-constrained, but are they really going to have three midwest teams as top seeds?  Right now, that to four seems fair, but there are plenty of contenders from the northeast quadrant of the country ...

The winner of Yeshiva - St. Joe's, if they go undefeated the rest of the way (especially if that winner is St. Joe's)
Whoever ends up with the best record among Williams / Wesleyan / Midd, so long as that team has no more than two regular season losses.
Swarthmore, if they win out. 
Oswego or Nazareth, if either win out. 

All of those, I'd think, would be good candidates to be seeded 1st and 2nd in a region (and maybe Swarthmore would actually slide to the RMC region, where it would be 1, 2 or 3 depending on how things go the rest of the way ...). 

I think this will actually end up being a year with plenty of strong teams in each quadrant of the country.  The top two WIAC teams in one region (with teams from the West Coast, Texas, a few from the midwest), IWU/Marietta/Wash U. leading another midwest-heavy region, RMC / Swarthmore / CNU in a third southern and mid-atlantic region (with some northeast teams tossed in), and some combo of St. Joe's / Yeshiva/ the top NESCAC teams / Oswego / Nazreth heading up a fourth northeast heavy region, depending on which from that group emerge mostly unscathed the rest of the way ....  I just can't imagine that an undefeated St. Joe's team, or a  NESCAC team that wins the league tourney with say 2 total regular season losses, would not end up seeded first in a regional ...

[Titan Q]

I think it's been said the committee is trying to be less geographically-constrained, but are they really going to have three midwest teams as top seeds?  Right now, that to four seems fair, but there are plenty of contenders from the northeast quadrant of the country ...

The winner of Yeshiva - St. Joe's, if they go undefeated the rest of the way (especially if that winner is St. Joe's)
Whoever ends up with the best record among Williams / Wesleyan / Midd, so long as that team has no more than two regular season losses.
Swarthmore, if they win out. 
Oswego or Nazareth, if either win out. 

All of those, I'd think, would be good candidates to be seeded 1st and 2nd in a region (and maybe Swarthmore would actually slide to the RMC region, where it would be 1, 2 or 3 depending on how things go the rest of the way ...). 

I think this will actually end up being a year with plenty of strong teams in each quadrant of the country.  The top two WIAC teams in one region (with teams from the West Coast, Texas, a few from the midwest), IWU/Marietta/Wash U. leading another midwest-heavy region, RMC / Swarthmore / CNU in a third southern and mid-atlantic region (with some northeast teams tossed in), and some combo of St. Joe's / Yeshiva/ the top NESCAC teams / Oswego / Nazreth heading up a fourth northeast heavy region, depending on which from that group emerge mostly unscathed the rest of the way ....  I just can't imagine that an undefeated St. Joe's team, or a  NESCAC team that wins the league tourney with say 2 total regular season losses, would not end up seeded first in a regional ...

I think St. Joseph (CT) is a candidate...but it depends how much they weigh RRO.  St. Joseph just won't have anywhere near the RRO wins as those schools I have above.

Yeshiva has a huge SOS problem -- .493 with a bunch of Skyline games still to play.

From my conversation with Mike Schauer back in November, it sure sounded like RRO and SOS are important to this committee.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMpILST1VyQ&t=735s

I believe there is a way to build a bracket around the 4 top seeds I proposed and stay within the flight requirements, etc.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Marietta is close enough East to make it work, maybe, if the right mix of teams get in.

[Titan Q]

Marietta is close enough East to make it work, maybe, if the right mix of teams get in.

The change to 600 miles is big.