Pool C

[FCGrizzliesGrad]

How's the SCAC going to work if St Thomas wins tomorrow? Are they eligible as a 3rd year provisional or is it only next year when they'll be able to take the bid? If they don't get it, does it go to who they beat in the final meaning the currently going semifinal game between Schriner vs Trinity game is essentially for the berth?

[deiscanton]

How's the SCAC going to work if St Thomas wins tomorrow? Are they eligible as a 3rd year provisional or is it only next year when they'll be able to take the bid? If they don't get it, does it go to who they beat in the final meaning the currently going semifinal game between Schriner vs Trinity game is essentially for the berth?

If St. Thomas wins the SCAC tournament tomorrow, the AQ goes to Trinity as the regular season 2nd place finisher under SCAC conference rules.

[FCGrizzliesGrad]

How's the SCAC going to work if St Thomas wins tomorrow? Are they eligible as a 3rd year provisional or is it only next year when they'll be able to take the bid? If they don't get it, does it go to who they beat in the final meaning the currently going semifinal game between Schriner vs Trinity game is essentially for the berth?

If St. Thomas wins the SCAC tournament tomorrow, the AQ goes to Trinity as the regular season 2nd place finisher under SCAC conference rules.

Interesting... almost makes it like a double elimination final. Schreiner has to win twice (now vs Trinity and tomorrow vs St Thomas) to get the bid, a loss today or tomorrow gives the bid to Trinity.

[FCGrizzliesGrad]

Updated as of Saturday's games

Bold is Pool A locked
Italic is one of multiple RR teams alive in a single conference tournament so at least one will fall to Pool C
Regular is only RR team left in conference tournament
Red is in Pool C

Region 1 (GNAC, MASCAC, NAC, NESCAC)           
1   Wesleyan    22-3   22-3
2   St. Joseph (Conn.)   22-1   23-1
3   Williams   16-3   16-3
4   Middlebury   18-5   18-5
5   Tufts   13-10   13-10
6   Trinity (Conn.)   16-8   16-8
7   Amherst   15-9   15-9
8   Albertus Magnus   15-6   15-6
9   Westfield State   20-4   20-4
NR   Husson

3 Williams vs 1 Wesleyan in NESCAC final tomorrow 12pm
8 Albertus Magnus vs 2 St Joseph in GNAC final tomorrow 3pm


Region 2 (CCC, LEC, NECC, NEWMAC, Brandeis)           
1   WPI   22-2   22-2
2   UMass Dartmouth   22-3   22-3
3   Nichols   22-3   22-3
4   Babson   18-6   18-6
5   Emerson   17-6   17-6
6   Brandeis   12-9   12-9
NR   Mitchell
NR   Keene St

           
Region 3 (E8, LL, Sky, SUNYAC, Rochester)           
1   Oswego   23-2   23-2
2   Rochester   16-7   16-7
3   RPI   21-4   21-4
4   Nazareth   21-4   21-4
5   Utica   22-3   22-3
6   St. John Fisher   19-6   19-6
7   Ithaca   17-8   17-8
8   Yeshiva   21-3   22-3
NR   LL Champ

Manhattanville vs 8 Yeshiva in Sky final tomorrow 1pm
Skidmore vs Vassar in LL final tomorrow

           
Region 4 (CUNYAC, MACF, NJAC, UEC, NYU)            
1   Stockton   21-4   21-4
2   DeSales   21-4   21-4
3   Rowan   21-4   21-4
4   Rutgers-Newark   16-8   16-8
5   NYU   14-9   14-9
6   Montclair St.   13-9   13-9
7   Stevens   13-8   13-8
NR    Baruch
NR   Penn St-Harrisburg

Lycoming vs 7 Stevens in MAC F final tomorrow 2pm

           
Region 5 (AEC, CC, CSAC, Land, MACC)           
1   Swarthmore   21-4   21-4
2   Eastern   19-4   19-5
3   Johns Hopkins   20-3   20-3
4   Susquehanna   21-4   21-4
5   Hood   17-6   17-6
6   Drew   17-8   17-8
7   Alvernia   17-6   18-6
8   Marymount   16-8   16-8
9   Neumann   16-7   18-7
NR   Wilson

5 Hood vs 2 Eastern in MAC C final tomorrow 2pm

           
Region 6 (C2C, ODAC, SAA, USAC, Emory)           
1   Randolph-Macon   24-1   24-1
2   Christopher Newport   22-2   22-2
3   Emory   18-5   18-5
4   Guilford   17-6   17-6
5   Roanoke   17-8   17-8
6   Maryville (Tenn.)   17-3   20-3
7   Berry   20-2   21-2
8   Virginia Wesleyan   16-8   16-9
NR    Averett

8 Virginia Wesleyan vs 1 Randolph-Macon in ODAC final tomorrow 1pm
7 Berry vs Oglethorpe in SAA final tomorrow

           
Region 7 (AMCC, MIAA, NCAC, OAC, PAC, Case Western)           
1   Marietta   22-2   22-2
2   Mount Union   21-3   21-3
3   Wabash   21-3   21-3
4   Case Western Reserve   17-6   17-6
5   Heidelberg   17-6   17-6
6   Hope   18-5   19-6
7   Calvin   17-6   18-7
8   Otterbein   17-7   17-7
9   Trine   17-8   17-8
10   Baldwin Wallace   14-9   14-9
NR   Medaille
NR   Washington & Jefferson

           
Region 8 (CCIW, HCAC, NACC, SLIAC)           
1   Ill. Wesleyan   21-4   21-4
2   Wheaton (IL)   20-5   20-5
3   WashU   16-7   16-7
4   Elmhurst   19-6   19-6
5   Hanover   20-4   20-4
6   Rose-Hulman   15-9   15-9
7   North Central (IL)   15-9   15-9
8   Transylvania   15-8   16-8
9   Millikin   14-11   14-11
NR   Blackburn
NR   Franklin
NR   NACC Champ

Marian vs Concordia (WI) in NACC final tomorrow 3pm

           
Region 9 (ARC, MIAC, MWC, UMAC, WIAC)           
1   UW-Oshkosh   20-3   20-3
2   UW-Platteville   20-4   20-4
3   UW-La Crosse   19-5   19-5
4   St. John's   20-4   20-4
5   UW-River Falls   14-9   14-9
6   UW-Whitewater   14-9   14-10
7   Dubuque   19-6   19-6
8   Buena Vista   14-11   14-11
9   UW-Stout   16-9   16-9
NR   Cornell
NR   UMAC Champ

Macalester vs 4 St John's in MIAC final tomorrow 3pm
Crown vs Northwestern in UMAC final tomorrow 3pm

           
Region 10 (ASC, NWC, SCAC, SCIAC)           
1   Whitworth   20-4   20-4
2   Pomona-Pitzer   16-3   17-4
3   Chapman   17-3   19-3
4   Mary Hardin-Baylor   20-2   22-2
5   Claremont-Mudd-Scripps   15-6   15-6
6   Cal Lutheran   16-7   16-7
7   Linfield   15-5   18-6
8   Pacific Lutheran   15-6   18-7
NR   Trinity (TX)

St Thomas (TX) vs Trinity (TX) in SCAC final tomorrow 1pm (St Thomas not eligible for tournament)
3 Chapman vs 2 Pomona-Pitzer in SCIAC final tomorrow 5pm

[WPI89]

That's a lot of work grizz.  +1 and thank you!

[nescac1]

I think the bracketing is really starting to come into focus now .... here's what I have:

Oshkosh (top seed), Plattesville, Lacrosse, Pomona hosting in one quarter of the bracket
Marietta (top seed), IWU, Mount Union, Nazareth
Wesleyan (top seed if they beat Williams, if not, a four-way toss-up), Williams, WPI, St. Joe's in another quarter
Randolph Macon (top seed), Emory, Christopher Newport, Stockton

Those brackets would be almost perfectly competitively balanced, and would likely involve very few flights for the round of 16 barring some really strange results.  The downside is three WIAC teams in one quarter, two NESCAC teams in one quarter, and two OAC teams in one quarter.  But if that's not something the committee cares much about, I think this is the most logical breakdown of the brackets. 

[D3RetiredHooper]

If Macon, St Joes, Eastern and St Johns all win today; the committee will be looking at taking 7 of the following 13 teams (Alphabetical Order):

Babson: 18-7 (WP .720, SOS .576, RvRRO 3-5 (Wins: Emerson 2-1, @ Amherst) NCSOS .563

Brandeis (Still play vs NYU today, assuming they win): 15-9 (WP .625, SOS .609, RvRRO 7-7 (Wins: vs Dartmouth, vs Babson, vs Tufts, @ Rochester (1-1), vs WashU, NYU 2-0) NCSOS .538

Calvin: 19-7 (WP .731, SOS .542 RvRRO 5-5 (Wins: vs Elmhurst, Trine 3-0, @ UW Stout) NCSOS .601

CMS: 16-8 (WP .667, SOS .556 RvRRO 5-5 (Wins: vs P-Pitzer, vs Pac Lutheran, vs Cal Lutheran, vs Linfield, @ Chapman) NCSOS .496

DeSales: 22-5 (WP . 815, SOS .512 RvRRO 5-2 (Wins: @ Hood, vs Neumann, @ Montclair St, Stevens 2-0) NCSOS .588

Emerson: 18-7 (WP .720, SOS .579 RvRRO 4-6 (Wins: vs Babson (N) (1-2), vs Brandies, @ Tufts, vs Keene St) NCSOS .563

Hanover: 21-5 (WP .808, SOS .507, RvRRO 5-1 (Wins: @ Wabash, @ Trans (2-1), Rose Hulman (2-0) NCSOS .511

Hood: 19-7 (Play Eastern, in if win, bubble if lose) (WP .731, SOS .565 (will go up with game today), RvRRO 2-6 (Wins: Alvernia 2-0) NCSOS .603

Middlebury: 18-6 (WP .750, SOS .545, RvRRO 3-4 (Wins: @ Magnus, vs Amherst, vs Trinity) NCSOS .501

Roanoke: 18-9 (WP .667, SOS .561, RvRRO 4-6 (Wins: vs Marietta, vs Eastern, @ VA Wesleyan, vs Buena Vista) NCSOS .524

Rochester: 17-8 (WP .680, SOS .586, RvRRO 7-7 (Wins: vs Stockton, @ Ithaca, NYU 2-0, @ Brandeis (1-1), @ Wash, vs Case) NCSOS .543

Rowan: 23-5 (WP .821, SOS .530, RvRRO 4-5 (Wins: @ Rutgers Newark (2-1) vs Montclair, vs Marymount NCSOS .517

Utica: 23-4 (WP .852, SOS .506, RvRRO 3-3 (Wins: vs Nazarth (1-2), St John Fisher (2-0)) NCSOS .531

Thanks to Drew Pasteur for the numbers! NCSOS is from the last regional rankings so subject to slight change.

[nescac1]

I think Babson, Emerson and Rochester likely get three spots.  The last four, it just feels like it could be any combination of teams, they are very, very close. I'm going to go with Calvin, Midd, Rowan and then one of Utica, Desales or Hanover as last team in.  If the committee reallly values SOS than Brandeis could squeeze in but already at lot of Pool Cs from that region.

[FCGrizzliesGrad]

Bold is Pool A locked
Italic is one of multiple RR teams alive in a single conference tournament so at least one will fall to Pool C
Red is in Pool C

Region 1 (GNAC, MASCAC, NAC, NESCAC)           
3   Williams   16-3   16-3
4   Middlebury   18-5   18-5
5   Tufts   13-10   13-10
6   Trinity (Conn.)   16-8   16-8
7   Amherst   15-9   15-9
8   Albertus Magnus   15-6   15-6

1   Wesleyan    22-3   22-3
2   St. Joseph (Conn.)   22-1   23-1
9   Westfield State   20-4   20-4
NR   Husson


Region 2 (CCC, LEC, NECC, NEWMAC, Brandeis)           
2   UMass Dartmouth   22-3   22-3
4   Babson   18-6   18-6
5   Emerson   17-6   17-6
6   Brandeis   12-9   12-9

1   WPI   22-2   22-2
3   Nichols   22-3   22-3
NR   Mitchell
NR   Keene St

           
Region 3 (E8, LL, Sky, SUNYAC, Rochester)           
2   Rochester   16-7   16-7
3   RPI   21-4   21-4
5   Utica   22-3   22-3
6   St. John Fisher   19-6   19-6
7   Ithaca   17-8   17-8

1   Oswego   23-2   23-2
4   Nazareth   21-4   21-4
8   Yeshiva   21-3   22-3
NR   Vassar

           
Region 4 (CUNYAC, MACF, NJAC, UEC, NYU)            
2   DeSales   21-4   21-4
3   Rowan   21-4   21-4
4   Rutgers-Newark   16-8   16-8
5   NYU   14-9   14-9
6   Montclair St.   13-9   13-9

1   Stockton   21-4   21-4
7   Stevens   13-8   13-8
NR    Baruch
NR   Penn St-Harrisburg

           
Region 5 (AEC, CC, CSAC, Land, MACC)           
1   Swarthmore   21-4   21-4
2   Eastern   19-4   19-5
6   Drew   17-8   17-8
7   Alvernia   17-6   18-6
8   Marymount   16-8   16-8

3   Johns Hopkins   20-3   20-3
4   Susquehanna   21-4   21-4
5   Hood   17-6   17-6
9   Neumann   16-7   18-7
NR   Wilson

           
Region 6 (C2C, ODAC, SAA, USAC, Emory)           
4   Guilford   17-6   17-6
5   Roanoke   17-8   17-8
6   Maryville (Tenn.)   17-3   20-3
8   Virginia Wesleyan   16-8   16-9

1   Randolph-Macon   24-1   24-1
2   Christopher Newport   22-2   22-2
3   Emory   18-5   18-5
7   Berry   20-2   21-2
NR    Averett

           
Region 7 (AMCC, MIAA, NCAC, OAC, PAC, Case Western)           
2   Mount Union   21-3   21-3
4   Case Western Reserve   17-6   17-6
5   Heidelberg   17-6   17-6
7   Calvin   17-6   18-7
8   Otterbein   17-7   17-7
9   Trine   17-8   17-8
10   Baldwin Wallace   14-9   14-9

1   Marietta   22-2   22-2
3   Wabash   21-3   21-3
6   Hope   18-5   19-6
NR   Medaille
NR   Washington & Jefferson

           
Region 8 (CCIW, HCAC, NACC, SLIAC)           
1   Ill. Wesleyan   21-4   21-4
2   Wheaton (IL)   20-5   20-5
3   WashU   16-7   16-7
5   Hanover   20-4   20-4
6   Rose-Hulman   15-9   15-9
7   North Central (IL)   15-9   15-9
8   Transylvania   15-8   16-8
9   Millikin   14-11   14-11

4   Elmhurst   19-6   19-6
NR   Blackburn
NR   Franklin
NR   Marian

           
Region 9 (ARC, MIAC, MWC, UMAC, WIAC)           
2   UW-Platteville   20-4   20-4
3   UW-La Crosse   19-5   19-5
5   UW-River Falls   14-9   14-9
6   UW-Whitewater   14-9   14-10
8   Buena Vista   14-11   14-11
9   UW-Stout   16-9   16-9

1   UW-Oshkosh   20-3   20-3
4   St. John's   20-4   20-4
7   Dubuque   19-6   19-6
NR   Cornell
NR   Northwestern

           
Region 10 (ASC, NWC, SCAC, SCIAC)           
2   Pomona-Pitzer   16-3   17-4
3   Chapman   17-3   19-3
5   Claremont-Mudd-Scripps   15-6   15-6
6   Cal Lutheran   16-7   16-7
7   Linfield   15-5   18-6
8   Pacific Lutheran   15-6   18-7

1   Whitworth   20-4   20-4
4   Mary Hardin-Baylor   20-2   22-2
NR   Trinity (TX)

3 Chapman vs 2 Pomona-Pitzer in SCIAC final 5pm

[Greek Tragedy]

Berry beat Oglethorpe.

Hood beats Eastern. Eastern probably stealing a Pool C spot.

Vassar beat Skidmore. No Pool C involvment.

[FCGrizzliesGrad]

Of the final games to be played:
St Joseph's is beating Albertus Magnus by 19 at half which avoids a bubble bursting if it holds.
Marian is beating Concordia (WI) but neither is a Pool C candidate
Northwestern is beating Crown but neither is a Pool C candidate
Chapman vs Pomona-Pitzer is in an hour. Loser likely gets in anyway so probably not a bubble bursting game.

That leaves Macalester leading St John's by 1 at halftime. Very much a bubble alert.

Maybe I'm biased but it seems like there been a lot of 6 seeds doing some damage in tournaments this year.

[FCGrizzliesGrad]

The bubble can breathe as St John's pulls out a 75-71 win over Macalester.
Just the SCIAC left and all the Pool A spots will be filled.

[WLCALUM83]

Marian knocked off Concordia-WI, 77-71.

[Greek Tragedy]

So...20 Pool C teams.

Williams
UMass Dartmouth
Babson
Emerson
Rochester
RPI
Rowan
Swarthmore
Eastern
Guilford
Mount Union
CWR
Ill. Wes.
Wheaton IL
Wash U
Platteville
La Crosse
Pomona-Pitzer/Chapman loser

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2 of...

Middlebury
Brandeis
Utica
DeSales
Calvin
Heidelberg
Hanover

[FCGrizzliesGrad]

Pool A is complete after Pomona-Pitzer beat Chapman. Now we wait to find out who gets the remaining spots.
Let the prognostication commence!