Pool C

[sac]

Well the only problem I see is the Great Lakes only gets to rank 6 teams while the pitiful Northeast gets to rank 10.

Naw that shouldn't help them get a leg up when breaking those tie breakers for Pool C. 

Stupid.


....and I all but garuntee  Albion is #7 on that list.

[augie_superfan]

The numbers of teams ranked in each region is proportional to the number of teams in the region I believe...I thought I read that in the Handbook

[Ralph Turner]

Well the only problem I see is the Great Lakes only gets to rank 6 teams while the pitiful Northeast gets to rank 10....

Augie is right!

The Regional Ranking is established by a ratio.

The Handbook establishes that ratio as #of eligible teams / 6.5.

http://www.ncaa.org/library/handbooks/basketball/2006/2006_d3_m_basketball_handbook.pdf

In the Northeast,  the NESCAC has 4 ranked teams (Why don't we label that one Whine #1!).

The others are from the AQ conferences: CCC, GNAC, LEC, MASCAC, NEWMAC.  (The NAC doesn't have a ranked member.)

[Pat Coleman]

The numbers of teams ranked in each region is proportional to the number of teams in the region I believe...I thought I read that in the Handbook

Yes. Said that in the blog, too.

[TeeDub]

West
1. Occidental 9-1 16-2
2. Puget Sound 12-1 17-3
3. Wisconsin-Stout 14-3 17-4
4. Wisconsin-La Crosse 15-5 17-5
5. Wartburg 15-3 17-4
6. Willamette 15-3 14-6
7. Carleton 12-4 15-5
8. Wisconsin-Whitewater 11-5 15-5

Occidental is ranked number 1 in the region...and they may NOT even be the best in their conference...

[Pat Coleman]

Perhaps not, but they did beat everyone the first time through the conference, so if CMS wants to be considered the best they better prove it the second time through.

[TeeDub]

Perhaps not, but they did beat everyone the first time through the conference, so if CMS wants to be considered the best they better prove it the second time through.

No doubt, Pat...I see the logic.  However, they opened the second round losing to LaVerne and stilll have to play CMS and PP on the road...I guess I hedged a little when I said "may NOT" rather than "is not".

I guess my point was more about how good I think Claremont is and they aren't getting a sniff in comparison to Oxy's number 1.

I could probably use the same logic about Wartburg and Coe.

[David Collinge]

Well the only problem I see is the Great Lakes only gets to rank 6 teams while the pitiful Northeast gets to rank 10.

Naw that shouldn't help them get a leg up when breaking those tie breakers for Pool C. 

Stupid.


....and I all but garuntee  Albion is #7 on that list.

Don't forget about Lake Erie; their numbers are very similar to Albion's:

Albion 8-2 (.800), QoWI=9.900 (36th in nation)
Lake Erie 14-3 (.824), QoWI=9.438 (61st in nation)

If they extended the GL ranking to 8, these two might be tied for 7th.

[augie_superfan]

Well I've been way too bored and also trying to take my attention away from Augustana currently losing to Wheaton right now.  So I did a simple little calculation of teams to compare to the regional rankings.  Here is what I did:

I took each region separately and ranked them by in-region win % and also by QOWI.  I then added these 2 ranks together to get a total rank.  I then listed the teams in order of total rank. 

So I compared this to the regional rankings and they correspond almost exactly except for the Middle Atlantic....that one was a lot different.  I just thought it was sorta interesting.  I wonder if this trend will continue to Selection Sunday/Monday.

[Greek Tragedy]

Nice to see the regional rankings finally listed. 

I'm also very happy to see that no one opened up yet another new thread named "Regional Rankings"!! 

Good to see it's in it's proper place, Pool C land.

I don't think we have to worry about the NE region getting 10 spots.  I think we can basically look at the top 5 or 6 in each region and get a solid gauge on who has a chance to get a Pool C bid.  Do we really think #10 Keene State in the NE region has a better shot at "#7" Albion in the Great Lakes Region?   

[Greek Tragedy]

Well I've been way too bored and also trying to take my attention away from Augustana currently losing to Wheaton right now.  So I did a simple little calculation of teams to compare to the regional rankings.  Here is what I did:

I took each region separately and ranked them by in-region win % and also by QOWI.  I then added these 2 ranks together to get a total rank.  I then listed the teams in order of total rank. 

So I compared this to the regional rankings and they correspond almost exactly except for the Middle Atlantic....that one was a lot different.  I just thought it was sorta interesting.  I wonder if this trend will continue to Selection Sunday/Monday.

Soooooo, where are those results?   

[Ralph Turner]

Nice to see the regional rankings finally listed. 

I'm also very happy to see that no one opened up yet another new thread named "Regional Rankings"!! 

Good to see it's in it's proper place, Pool C land.

I don't think we have to worry about the NE region getting 10 spots.  I think we can basically look at the top 5 or 6 in each region and get a solid gauge on who has a chance to get a Pool C bid.  Do we really think #10 Keene State in the NE region has a better shot at "#7" Albion in the Great Lakes Region?   

Old School, actually, I think that Keene State will get a bid as the Pool A bid from the Little East Conference (LEC).

It is those 4 NESCAC's that I see in there that are worth watching.

[gordonmann]

Keep in mind that four of the five NESCAC teams -- Amherst, Bates, Tufts and Trinity -- all play each other this weekend.  So those rankings could look very different next week at this time.

[Greek Tragedy]

Good point, Ralph.  I guess my point is that we shouldn't really worry about those teams ranked 6th or lower in those regions where more than 6 teams are listed because all the Pool C bids would already be taken...with that said.

Prior to tonight's results of course (record-wise).  Conference leaders are crossed out.  At this point, we'll assume current conference leaders win the Pool A bids.

Atlantic
1. Bernard Baruch 18-1 20-3 (CUNYAC)
2. William Paterson 14-5 15-6 (NJAC)
3. The College of New Jersey 12-5 14-5 (NJAC)
4. Farmingdale 12-4 15-4 (Skyline)
5. Mount St. Mary (New York) 15-4 18-4 (Skyline)

East
1. Cortland State 18-1 19-2 (SUNYAC)
2. St. John Fisher 14-1 16-3 (Empire 8 )
3. New York University 16-3 17-3 (UAA)
4. Hamilton 13-3 17-3 (Liberty)
5. Rochester 11-5 14-6 (UAA)

Great Lakes
1. Wooster 16-1 20-1 (NCAC)
2. Hope 13-1 19-1 (MIAA)
3. Carnegie Mellon 13-2 17-3 (UAA)
4. Baldwin-Wallace 16-2 18-2 (OAC)
5. Wittenberg 14-2 19-2 (NCAC)
6. Calvin   7-1 16-5 (MIAA)

Mid-Atlantic
1. York (Pennsylvania) 16-2 18-2 (CAC)
2. Widener 16-3 17-3 (MACC) beat Messiah
3. Ursinus 15-3 16-5 (Centennial) beat Johns Hopkins
4. Lincoln (Pennsylvania) 11-4 19-4 (Independent)
5. Alvernia 14-3 17-4 (PnAC)
5. Johns Hopkins 14-3 16-4 (Centennial)
7. Catholic 13-4 15-5 (CAC)
8. Messiah 13-5 14-7 (MACC)

Midwest
1. Lawrence 17-0 19-0 (MWC)
2. Augustana (Illinois) 18-0 19-1 (CCIW)
3. Transylvania 17-3 18-3 (HCAC)
4. Carroll (Wisconsin) 16-2 18-2 (MWC)
4. Illinois Wesleyan 11-3 17-3 (CCIW)
6 Lakeland 14-3 18-5 (LMC)
7. North Central (Illinois) 10-4 16-4 (CCIW)
8. Washington U. in St. Louis 10-5 13-7 (UAA)

Northeast
1. Amherst 19-1 20-2 (NESCAC)
2. Worcester Polytechnic 18-1 19-1 (NEWMAC)
3. Tufts   16-3 17-4 (NESCAC)
4. Gordon 16-2 17-3 (CCC-N)
5. Bates   14-3 18-3 (NESCAC)
6. Williams 16-5 17-5 (NESCAC
7. Trinity (Connecticut) 13-3 16-4 (NESCAC) beat Amherst
8. Salem State 14-5 14-6 (MASCAC)
9. Norwich 12-3 12-5 (GNAC) this site has Norwich at 14-4 in-region and they didn't play tonight (??)
10. Keene State 11-6 14-6 (Little East)

South
1. Mississippi College 17-1 19-1 (ASC-E)
2. Trinity (Texas) 12-2 16-5 (SCAC) swept Southwestern
3. Virginia Wesleyan 18-3 19-3 (ODAC)
4. Fisk   9-2 14-7 (GSAC) Pool B split with Maryville
5. Howard Payne 15-3 16-3 (ASC-W)
6. Randolph-Macon 14-5 17-5 (ODAC)
7. Southwestern (Texas) 12-4 16-5 (SCAC)
8. Maryville (Tennessee.) 13-5 17-5 (GSAC) Pool B split with Fisk

West
1. Occidental 9-1 16-2 (SCIAC)
2. Puget Sound 12-1 17-3 (NWC)
3. Wisconsin-Stout 14-3 17-4 (WIAC)
4. Wisconsin-La Crosse 15-5 17-5 (WIAC)
5. Wartburg 15-3 17-4 (IIAC)
6. Willamette 15-3 14-6 (NWC)
7. Carleton 12-4 15-5 (MIAC)
8. Wisconsin-Whitewater 11-5 15-5 (WIAC)

[Greek Tragedy]

Old School, actually, I think that Keene State will get a bid as the Pool A bid from the Little East Conference (LEC).

Yet, they don't even lead their conference...Mass.-Boston does and they split with Keene State.