Pool C

[Pat Coleman]

One Region has a distinct advantage by haveing TWICE as many potential ranked teams as other regions.

That is just not right.

So you would disadvantage them by having them have fewer ranked teams per capita? That is what's not right, sac. If slots for selection purposes are based on per capita number of teams, why shouldn't this?

[Knightstalker]

If the NCAA in their infinite wisdom would just come to this website and go down several threads on this page and they would see that we solved this problem at the end of last season by rearranging the regions to present fairly even regions in terms of size and strength.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Ralph created a whole board on that very topic.  I never got around to it this summer, but I was going to take a stab at dividing them up myself.

[Pat Coleman]

If the NCAA in their infinite wisdom would just come to this website and go down several threads on this page and they would see that we solved this problem at the end of last season by rearranging the regions to present fairly even regions in terms of size and strength.

That border between the Northeast and East is tricky to move teams across. There's talk about teams moving in and out of the CCC -- perhaps that will clarify the border. Also, I would bet the basketball committees move the "Interstate Eight" into the Atlantic to even that out better.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

None of the CCC teams are really close to the East region at all.  I still think it would be better to not worry about keeping who conferences in geographical regions.  The rules state that conference games are all in-region, so why not separate some of them out.  Williams and Amherst in the East might help a little.

[Knightstalker]

If the NCAA in their infinite wisdom would just come to this website and go down several threads on this page and they would see that we solved this problem at the end of last season by rearranging the regions to present fairly even regions in terms of size and strength.

That border between the Northeast and East is tricky to move teams across. There's talk about teams moving in and out of the CCC -- perhaps that will clarify the border. Also, I would bet the basketball committees move the "Interstate Eight" into the Atlantic to even that out better.

That is why last year when we did it we got rid of the east region entirely.  We moved them all to the GL or Atlantic if I remember correctly.  The NE was the difficult, so many schools spread all over.

If you spread some conferences over a couple of regions like you suggest you leave the same can of worms open.  Moving Williams and Amherst to the East would probably enable the NESCAC to get even more teams in because of the regional nature of the selection process.

[titanhammer]

Knightstalker, the Caddy Shack stuff is solid.  One of the all-time character names in the background:  Lacy Underall.  I won some free golf one time off a radio question:  "What is the major golf tournament referenced by the grounds keeper, Carl, in the movie 'Caddy Shack'?"

This is premature, but we know the topic is on the horizon:  is there a team out there now that is a lock pool C bid?.  If they lost all of their remaining games and lost the first game of their post season tournament, would they still be in?

We should have a good handle on this by the time the conference tournaments start.  Thus, allowing us to subtract from the available pool C bids.

[Mr. Ypsi]

hammer,

Might be a game or two too early to start that speculation, but I would think a team with no more than one regional loss and a top 10-15 QOWI could probably not screw up badly enough to miss the tourney.

Off the top of my head, that would probably include Augie, Wooster, Lawrence, and Hope; probably a couple of others as well.  By the middle of next week we could have a much longer watch-list.

[sac]

Losing the remainder of their games and the first round of the MIAA would mean Hope would lose to Adrian, Alma, Tri-State and Adrian/Alma/Olivet.  Throw in the Calvin loss and that would be a 5 game losing streak, all in-region except TSU.

I think that would put them at 12-5 in-region

No committee would give the Dutchmen a pass on that collapse.  Maybe a win Saturday would wrap it up for a host of teams like Wooster, Lawrence, Augie, Hope.

[David Collinge]

Even if Wooster wins on Saturday (vs. Wabash), if they lost all the rest of their games that would mean they lost two home games to Kenyon (or perhaps Kenyon and Allegheny, depending on how things shake out, but that's not much better.)  They'd still have just 4 losses in-region, but those two losses to the Lords would be QoWi Qillers. 

I don't think anyone is in the pink just yet.  Except for Lincoln in Pool B.

[Mr. Ypsi]

sac and DC,

You're probably right - that's why I said the topic was probably raised at least one game too early.

Realistically, there are probably a number of teams who could already be listed (since they are not going to lose every game from here on), but since that was the scenario hammer projected, perhaps even Lawrence couldn't survive losing them all!

A week from now we can probably give a fairly good list of teams to watch for in terms of conference tourneys (i.e., if they lose, that's one less pool C for everyone else).

[Ralph Turner]

sac and DC,

You're probably right - that's why I said the topic was probably raised at least one game too early.

Realistically, there are probably a number of teams who could already be listed (since they are not going to lose every game from here on), but since that was the scenario hammer projected, perhaps even Lawrence couldn't survive losing them all!

A week from now we can probably give a fairly good list of teams to watch for in terms of conference tourneys (i.e., if they lose, that's one less pool C for everyone else).

Mr Ypsi is right!  We need to start this thread next Wednesday night!  That is another weekend of games and another Regional Ranking!

[sac]

I definately think we have our own lists of teams we've "penciled" in.

Realisticly the top 10 or so teams are in......they all seem to have games they realisticly just can't lose....can they>

[titanhammer]

I said it was premature, but cabin feever got the best of me.  Wooster will obviously not lose to Kenyon and probably tops the list as a pool C lock...if they aren't pool A.

Some teams do have tough games left.  Augie with @Millikin, IWU, @North Central, and conference tourney is one of those teams.  They can do a lot to help or hurt their post season road.

[Greek Tragedy]

Northeast
1. Amherst 19-1 20-2 (NESCAC)
2. Worcester Polytechnic 18-1 19-1 (NEWMAC)
3. Tufts   16-3 17-4 (NESCAC)
4. Gordon 16-2 17-3 (CCC-N)
5. Bates   14-3 18-3 (NESCAC)
6. Williams 16-5 17-5 (NESCAC
7. Trinity (Connecticut) 13-3 16-4 (NESCAC) beat Amherst
8. Salem State 14-5 14-6 (MASCAC)
9. Norwich 12-3 12-5 (GNAC) this site has Norwich at 14-4 in-region and they didn't play tonight (??)
10. Keene State 11-6 14-6 (Little East)

As a Pointer fan and a WIAC fan, I've been paying a little more attention to national scores the last week or so with the first Regional Rankings out and everyone guessing about Pool C bids and all.  Not to purposely single out the NESCAC, it was a good night for everyone not in the NESCAC concerning Pool C bids. 

It was amazing to see FIVE NESCAC schools in the regional rankings and come next week, things could be drastically different.

Trinity lost to Tufts, giving Bantams a 4th in-region loss, while Williams suffered their 6th in-region loss to Colby.  And in yet another battle of regionally ranked teams, Amherst gave Bates a 4th regional loss.  Saturday it gets better, and as a WIAC fan hoping for at least one Pool C bid, I'm goig to be cheering for Bates over Trinity (though if either loses, they get in-region loss #5) and Amherst to knock off Tufts for loss #4.    Anything that helps the WIAC! lol.