Pool C

Greek Tragedy · February 14, 2006, 07:38:51 AM

Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 13, 2006, 10:06:24 PM
Oh c'mon Old school! The lead for the WIAC will change 4 times on the night of Feb 15th alone!

Besides, we outsiders are just waiting for UW-duJour to claim the AQ and then allocate one other Pool C and move on.

Thanks to Stout getting upset at home vs. Point, that Pool C bid is looking a little more doubtful than before, especially if Stout falls to La Crosse on Saturday.

Re: Elmhurst

Oh, they have just six in-region losses right now then...(seven total, which obviously doesn't matter).

I think "Mr. Gregory" is out to get me...within two minutes, he's correcting me! lol.

Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) · February 14, 2006, 09:01:47 AM

Like I said a month ago, seven loss teams are going to get looked at hard for Pool C and one or two might get in. We really don't know what's going to happen down the stretch. One concern is that the NESCAC has five teams in the hunt, none of which can lose more than one additional time. If Williams and Bates end up in the conference final, with Tufts and Amherst losing early, they could have five teams with strong cases. That's a bit scary. I don't care how good the conference is, five teams shouldn't be getting in from anywhere.

Also, as far as I can tell, only the East and the Midwest seem to be giving much credence ot in-region winning percentage. I think if the QOWI number is there and the team is playing well, most anyone near the top of the standings will be considered.

Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) · February 14, 2006, 09:12:54 AM

Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 14, 2006, 03:00:48 AM
One we should keep an eye on is the SCIAC. With no postseason tourney, if Occidental loses at CMS (which I and SCIAC fans would say is a better than average possibility) and CMS wins out, CMS would win the automatic bid and Oxy would be a near-lock in Pool C.

That may also change some things for Pool B as well. Right now Chapman is not looking too good. They do have a decent in-region winning percentage and could improve with a west-coast indy tournament (especially if NebWes shows up). However, Chapman has two wins over CMS, both very helpful in the QOWI, but would be even more so as two wins over a tournament team. It might not help Chapman enough, but we would certainly have to give them more consideration.

Greek Tragedy · February 14, 2006, 04:20:22 PM

Re: Regional records and the effect on QOWI

Pat, I was looking that the regional records from last week's regional rankings on the NCAA page. There are a lot of teams' records that differ from what you have as regional records on this site. Obviously someone is wrong. If the NCAA is wrong on it's records and they use those, that doesn't seem right. Are we to assume the NCAA will actually get the correct regional records and use those to figure out the QOWI?

Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) · February 14, 2006, 04:24:26 PM

Pat answered that last week. The NCAA requires teams to post their own schedules, so the reason for the mistakes may be from the schools themselves not knowing which schools are in-region and which aren't. It's tough to remember the 200 mile rule or even locate a copy of the 2004 edition of Microsoft Streets & Trips.

d3hoops.com does all the entry and input themselves from schedules submitted by schools, so they have fewer errors, although they do, at times, occur.

As to what the NCAA is doing about this, I'm not sure. It seems like this system would make it way too easy for someone to just "forget" to list their 80 point loss at Wooster as in-region, or accidentily list their 4OT win over IWU as in-region when its not. There must be some system of accountability there; we're just not totally sure where, it is the wonderful NCAA after all.

Pat Coleman · February 14, 2006, 05:19:56 PM

Quote from: Old School on February 14, 2006, 04:20:22 PM
Re: Regional records and the effect on QOWI

Pat, I was looking that the regional records from last week's regional rankings on the NCAA page. There are a lot of teams' records that differ from what you have as regional records on this site.

I have been informing the NCAA regional chairs as they come up. I have informed them about Illinois Wesleyan and Ursinus. What other ones have you noticed?

Greek Tragedy · February 14, 2006, 06:09:54 PM

I'll wait until tomorrow and see how things work out!

Greek Tragedy · February 14, 2006, 06:10:32 PM

I'll wait until the new rankings come out and compare the records...of course, this is assuming YOU'RE completely right! lol.

Pat Coleman · February 14, 2006, 06:26:01 PM

I'm open to the possibility that ours could be wrong but we have been vetting them publicly all season and the eyes of the many have found missed regional games that we've fixed.

Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) · February 15, 2006, 12:13:45 PM

So do you think its going to take all day to post the regional rankings again this week?

Pat Coleman · February 15, 2006, 12:32:53 PM

I think that's about the time it's been released pretty consistently in the past.

Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) · February 15, 2006, 12:36:56 PM

I always thought it was around noon before, oh well, I guess our memories are always what we wish they'd be rather than what they really were.

Pat Coleman · February 15, 2006, 04:16:10 PM

Regional ranks:
http://www.d3hoops.com/dailydose/?p=128

Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) · February 15, 2006, 04:27:17 PM

Wow, Pat, congrats for having them up faster than ncaasports.com.

Pat Coleman · February 15, 2006, 04:27:51 PM

We are paid less but care more.