Pool C

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

It's 141 not 140, but its also on the front page.

[diehardfan]

Scott, Pat was one number off... it's

http://www.d3hoops.com/dailydose/?p=141

[pabegg]

Quick review of the regional records shows some discrepancies between the NCAA and the list posted by Pat from 2/19, with which I agree.

Two possible corrections for the D3 Hoops list, Pat: Williams-Babson and Carnegie Mellon-Washington & Jefferson. (These games s/b regional.)

The NCAA would appear to have records wrong for: Richard Stockton, Hope, Transylvania, Washington U, Amherst, Bates, and Keene State. In each of these cases the errors make no sense if the correct scores have been reported to D3Hoops.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

We've covered this before.  The NCAA requires teams to input their own schedules and regional games, while d3hoops.com requests schedules and inputs themselves, checking regional games as they go along.  Pat's crew makes mistakes, but very few.  I'd trust this site over the NCAA any day... and not just for this either, for just about anything.

[pabegg]

Correction, CMU-W&J is listed as regional on this site. Once again, I have no idea what the NCAA is counting.

Does this mean that the NCAA is using the incorrect scores to determine QOWI and winning percentage? That's got to be scary to anyone trying to qualify for the tournament under Pools B or C!

[Ralph Turner]

QOWI through games of Sunday, Feb. 19:

1-10
Amherst     11.826     22-1  NESCAC
Lawrence    11.550    20-0  MWC
York (Pa.)    11.043    21-2  CAC  Lost in  CAC Semis
Worcester Polytech    11.000    19-3  NEWMAC
Mississippi College    10.913    22-1  ASC-East
Trinity (Texas)    10.833    16-2  SCAC
Tufts    10.826    19-4  NESCAC
Lincoln    10.813    12-4 Pool B #1
St. John Fisher    10.810    20-1  E8
Augustana    10.773    19-3  CCIW
               

11-20
Cortland State    10.609    21-2  SUNYAC
Virginia Wesleyan    10.538    23-3  ODAC
Gordon    10.522    21-2  CCC-N  Lost in CCC Semis
William Paterson    10.435    17-6  NJAC
Carnegie Mellon    10.389    14-4  UAA
Wittenberg    10.350    17-3  NCAC
Wooster    10.333    19-2  NCAC
Lakeland    10.200    17-3  LMC  Lost in LMC Semis
Widener    10.174    19-4  MACC
Transylvania    10.167    20-4  HCAC
               
21-30
Calvin    10.167    11-1  MIAA
Keene State    10.136    16-6  LEC
Randolph-Macon    10.125    19-5  ODAC
Washington U.    10.111    13-5  UAA
Carroll    10.095    18-3  MWC
Occidental    10.071    11-3  SCIAC CMS has the Pool A.
Illinois Wesleyan    10.053    14-5 CCIW
Bates    10.048    16-5  NESCAC
Baruch    10.045    20-2  CUNYAC
Alvernia    10.045    19-3  PnAC  Pool A
               
31-40
UW-Stout    10.000    16-4 WIAC
Baldwin-Wallace    10.000    19-4  OAC
Trinity (Conn.)    10.000    15-4  NESCAC
Carleton    9.952    17-4   MIAC
UW-Whitewater    9.950    15-5  WIAC 
New Jersey    9.905    14-7  NJAC
North Central    9.895    14-5  CCIW
Hope    9.875    14-2  MIAA
UW-La Crosse    9.870    17-6  WIAC
Ursinus    9.826     18-5  CC
               

   
41-50
St. Thomas    9.783    18-5  MIAC
Richard Stockton    9.783    15-8  NJAC
Fisk    9.769    9-4  Pool B #2
New Jersey City    9.739    16-7  NJAC
Nebraska Wesleyan    9.714     6-1  Pool B #3
Puget Sound    9.706    15-2  NWC
New York University    9.696    17-6  UAA
SUNY-Farmingdale    9.667    16-5  SUNYAC
Utica    9.652    18-5  E8
Lake Erie    9.650    16-4  AMCC
               

58.  Maryville (Tenn.)    9.500    14-6 Pool B #4

Here are the Top 21 Pool C candidates as of Feb 19th.

[Ralph Turner]

Here are the Top Pool C candidates by the Regional Rankings:

Atlantic
1 Baruch 20-2 22-4   CUNYAC
2 William Paterson 17-6 18-7  NJAC
3 New Jersey City 16-7 17-8  NJAC
4 SUNY-Farmingdale 16-5 19-5  Skyline
5 Richard Stockton 15-7 17-8  NJAC

East
1 St. John Fisher 20-1 22-3  E8
2 Cortland State 21-2 22-3  SUNYAC
3 New York University 17-6 18-6  UAA
4 Utica 18-5 19-5  E8
5 Hamilton 16-4 20-4  LL

Great Lakes
1 Wooster 19-2 23-2 NCAC
2 Calvin 11-1 20-5  MIAA
3 Hope 15-2 23-2  MIAA
4 Wittenberg 17-3 22-3  NCAC
5 Baldwin-Wallace 19-4 21-4  OAC
6 Carnegie Mellon 15-4 19-5   Leading the UAA

Mid-Atlantic
1 York (Pa.) 22-3 24-3  CAC  Lost in CAC Semis
2 Lincoln 12-4 20-4   Pool B #1
3 Alvernia 19-3 21-4 PnAC  Pool A
4 Widener 19-4 20-4  MACC
5 Ursinus 18-5 19-6   CC
6 Catholic 16-5 18-6  CAC
7 Scranton 17-6 19-6   MACF
8 Albright 14-7 16-8  MACC

Midwest
1 Lawrence 20-0 22-0  MWC
2 Augustana 19-3 21-4   CCIW
3 Transylvania 21-4 21-4  HCAC
4 Carroll 18-3 20-3  MWC
5 Illinois Wesleyan 14-5 19-5  CCIW
6 North Central 14-5 20-5  CCIW
7 Washington U. 14-5 17-7  UAA
8 Lakeland 17-4 21-6  LMC  Lost in LMC Semis

Northeast
1 Amherst 23-1 24-2  NESCAC
2 Worcester Polytech 19-3 20-3  NEWMAC
3 Tufts 19-4 19-5  NESCAC
4 Gordon 22-3 23-4  CCC  Lost in CCC Semis
5 Trinity (Conn.) 15-4 18-5  NESCAC
6 Bates 15-5 19-5  NESCAC
7 Keene State 15-6 18-6  LEC
8 Rhode Island College 16-8 16-8  LEC
9 Salem State 18-6 18-7  MASCAC
10 Williams 16-8 17-8

South
1 Mississippi College 22-1 24-1  ASC-East
2 Trinity (Texas) 16-2 20-5  SCAC
3 Virginia Wesleyan 23-3 24-3  ODAC
4 Randolph-Macon 19-5 22-5   ODAC
T5. Fisk 9-4 14-10  Pool B #2
T5. Maryville (Tenn.) 14-6 19-6   Pool B #3
7 Howard Payne 17-6 18-6  ASC-West
8 Mary Hardin-Baylor 17-6 17-8  ASC-West

West
1 UW-Stout 16-4 19-5  WIAC
2 Puget Sound 15-2 20-4  NWC
3 Carleton 17-4 20-5  MIAC
4 Occidental 11-3 18-4  SCIAC  (CMS has the Pool A.)
5 UW-Whitewater 15-5 19-5  WIAC
6 UW-La Crosse 17-6 19-6  WIAC
7 Wartburg 17-4 19-5   IIAC
8 St. Thomas 18-5 20-5  MIAC
UR  CMS  SCIAC Pool A


Here are the 27 Top Pool C candidates from the Regional Rankings.

[Ralph Turner]

In the previous 2 posts, I have tried to strike the likely winners in each conference.  The 18 Pool C's most likely come from these remaining teams.

This does not consider the putative Pool A's (that have been stricken) who lose in their tourneys.

It is getting much tighter!

[Mr. Ypsi]

Ralph,

You scratched out BOTH Lawrence and Carroll.  The rest of us in the Midwest Region thank you, but it is not to be!

[Ralph Turner]

Ralph,

You scratched out BOTH Lawrence and Carroll.  The rest of us in the Midwest Region thank you, but it is not to be!

Freudian slip!       

[pabegg]

Only other team I would add is MIT, 15-7, 18-7, 9.636, and probably right behind Williams as #11 in NE, with a chance to move up.

Hard to see anyone else getting a Pool C bid.

[Greek Tragedy]

Nice job, Ralphie!  Saves me the work! 

I'm surprised Lakeland's QOWI is up in the top 20 now.  They only beat Maranatha Baptist at home, who was 0-fer against D3 schools!

[Pat Coleman]

Quick review of the regional records shows some discrepancies between the NCAA and the list posted by Pat from 2/19, with which I agree.

Two possible corrections for the D3 Hoops list, Pat: Williams-Babson and Carnegie Mellon-Washington & Jefferson. (These games s/b regional.)

The NCAA would appear to have records wrong for: Richard Stockton, Hope, Transylvania, Washington U, Amherst, Bates, and Keene State. In each of these cases the errors make no sense if the correct scores have been reported to D3Hoops.

Thank you for this list. I will detail it for the committee.

Don't forget my private message to you, pabegg... didn't get a response.

[Pat Coleman]

I have sent your noted discrepancies to the NCAA committee.

In the course of my investigation, I found that OUR listing of Wash U was incorrect. I have corrected it.

[Matt Letourneau]

Ralph/others...

Will the committee take at least one Pool C team from each region?  In some regions, the highest team that isn't 'leading' and assumed to be a Pool A is not in the top 49 QoWI.