Pool C

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

It's great that we have the website to use to measure distances now, but we still need to know which address to use when measuring.

[wooscotsfan]

A couple of notes to what I did.

My method is based on a combination of regional winning percentage and the QoWI. In order to do this, I needed to know what games were regional, and I've done all of that by hand. A few of the distance comparisons are really close (i.e. 199.8 miles) but I've looked at all of them. I wish there was an official source for this information.

David, Lake Erie is 3rd in the region in QoWI, behind Ohio Northern and Carnegie Mellon, but their unbeaten record offsets that, so they end up first on the composite measure.

pabegg - nice work on your statistical analysis of potential Pool C teams.

How did you combine the regional winning percentage and the QoWI?  Weighting?

As a Wooster fan, I can only hope that your combination of the two factors is different than the NCAA's actual methodology.

It is very strange to see Lake Erie College at #1 in your Great Lakes rankings because the AMCC has historically been a weak conference that has not done well in post season play.

Lake Erie College made the NCAA tournament last year on an automatic bid and got blown out by 36 points in a first round game vs. Wittenberg.  Lake Erie actually lost 3 starters from last year's squad so it is very hard to believe that they are the #1 team in the Great Lakes this season.

It will be very interesting to see where Lake Erie is ranked when the first NCAA regional rankings are released.

[sac]

I'm confused, you guys know the asterisks on the schedules are in-region games correct.

You shouldn't need to figure it out, its already been done.

maybe i'm goofy

[smedindy]

Sometimes the schedule isn't correct, as Pat has found out...

[Ralph Turner]

It's great that we have the website to use to measure distances now, but we still need to know which address to use when measuring.

Hoops fan, I assume that the GPS location that they have assigned to the school in the software is the point from which all measurements are made. It is immaterial where that measurement is, e.g., gym, admin bldg., Tri-Delt house. 

[Greek Tragedy]

Sac

you're still goofy though, regardless if the schedules are right or not.  

[Pat Coleman]

The mailing address of each school is the start and end point for these measurements. I believe it's in the handbook

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

What if they have a PO Box?




Sorry, I'm just being a jerk.

[pabegg]

Here's my geography breakdown:

761 games vs. Non-D3 schools
182 games involving Provisional schools in years 1 and 2 (note that the games against the year 3 and 4 schools do count and are included below)

2858 conference games, which are always regional
955 games between teams from the same region
229 games between teams from the same administrative region
110 games between teams under 200 miles
215 games between teams over 200 miles
2 games to be determined (the second round of the Concordias tournament)

Some of the close calls:
Framingham State and Medgar Evers (198 miles)
Rutgers Camden and Juniata (201 miles)
Calvin and Wheaton IL (204 miles)
Calvin and Benedictine (200 miles)

[Greek Tragedy]

With the WIAC schedule half complete, I would have to say that the conference is looking at two Pool C bids, at best (and that's if Point doesn't win the conference tourney).  Point (16-1, though 15-0 in the eyes of the NCAA) and Oshkosh (15-3, 13-3) are in good shape.  La Crosse (can't remember if their Ohio Northern loss counts), Whitewater and Platteville (1 to Robert Morris-Springfield) all have six losses already with 8 conference games to go. 

I think the CCIW is in the same boat.  Augie and Elmhurst look like they are in good shape so far.  Wheaton has 5 losses, but the Northwestern loss doesn't count and I'm pretty sure the Whitworth one doesn't either.  Carthage has five, but the loss to Lewis doesn't count.  North Park and North Central also have six losses a piece.  The problem with the CCIW is that they are only 5 games into their 14-game conference schedule, meaning they are just over 1/3 into their schedule.

What about other conferences?

[Mr. Ypsi]

OS,

With the new 'administrative regions' rule, Wheaton's loss to Whitworth IS in-region.  So if they don't take the AQ, they would have a minimum of 5 in-region losses (and, realistically in the CCIW, actually at least 2-3 more).  Their chance for a C is VERY iffy.

[diehardfan]

The Whitworth game does count.... Wheaton has four regional losses. The most we can do is get one more regional loss to be in Pool C contention... but our chances are much better if we don't. But if we win all the rest, we'll host the CCIW tourney and then have a great shot at the A anyway.... not sure how likely that is, but there were stretches of the Elmhurst game where we were up 10-13... so a win @ Elmhurst isn't completely out of the question. And our narrow losses to Augie and North Central were without a healthy Kent Raymond, who is arguably one of the best guard in the nation... as a sophomore! So those are also possiblities... though we haven't won at Augie since I started following basketball in the 01-02 season.... soo... yeah. Who knows though, last year we were the closest to winning @ Augie that we've ever been, and we finished in the bottom half of the stsndings and Sugie won the regular season crown. And now I'm just letting the random thoughts in my head splay out onto the board so I'll stop right there.

[Greek Tragedy]

OS,

With the new 'administrative regions' rule, Wheaton's loss to Whitworth IS in-region.  So if they don't take the AQ, they would have a minimum of 5 in-region losses (and, realistically in the CCIW, actually at least 2-3 more).  Their chance for a C is VERY iffy.

I haven't been keeping up on my D3 handbook recently, what is the administrative regions rule?  Neutral spot and agreed upon in-region or something?  I'm too lazy to look it up, sorry! 

BTW, La Crosse got in as a Pool C with SEVEN in-region losses...and "only" 18 wins last year.  I'm thinking 7 will get someone in again.

[Pat Coleman]

http://www.d3hoops.com/faq.php?question=44

[David Collinge]

La Crosse (can't remember if their Ohio Northern loss counts) [...]

http://www.d3hoops.com/school_info.php?year=2007&team=mens&school=UW-La+Crosse

Regional games are indicated by a little black dot.  No little black dot next to ONU.