Pool C

ChicagoHopeNut · February 22, 2007, 03:06:14 PM

Pat. Any chance there is an email address you could direct us to without giving it to us to send the committee our frustrations about this late change? I promise I'd keep it very mature and low key, unlike my posts here on the issue.

Or maybe an online petition! Kind of like "fireronzook.com"

bucs77 · February 22, 2007, 03:14:19 PM

Why don't we just expand the field to one more like D1 (the 65th team) and tell some conference that their championship game is really the first round of the ncaa tournament? I wouldn't put it past them

Just Bill · February 22, 2007, 03:28:02 PM

In response to the front page poll, the most fair thing to do would have been to admit the mistake and make the total field 60 for this year. Place 19 Pool C teams AND 4 Pool B teams into the field. Then the only team that can claim they got hurt by this mistake will be the one highly seeded team who should have gotten a bye, but instead has to play a first round game.

The old "Neanderthals, Chimps And Apes" joke is starting to sound too complimentary.

smedindy · February 22, 2007, 03:30:40 PM

Idiots! Mo-rons. Oh, well, that's what they get for foisiting their inane QoWI on us, anyway.

sac · February 22, 2007, 08:15:30 PM

Bridgewater 88 #17 Guilford 79

Upset in the ODAC, Guilford now joins the bubble.....but they look in decent shape.

smedindy · February 22, 2007, 08:17:42 PM

I think Guilford is in good shape. Mayhaps. Unless chaos reigns.

ILive4This · February 22, 2007, 09:19:17 PM

Alright, so I hate this issue with the pool c bids as much of the next person, but having 18 rather than 19, is not an issue that would make a team play harder or win more games. It is not a call that the NCAA should just add more teams, atleast not for this reason. It does stink, especially since my school is very much a bubble team, but a numbers mistake is simply just that.

In summary, the team who would be 19th is still the 19th team in the pool c, whether they make it in or not should not matter since they would not know if they are the 19th team or not until sunday anyway.

Ralph Turner · February 22, 2007, 09:26:08 PM

David, I will borrow your compilation to update the tourneys. Feel free to edit over this.

Quote from: David Collinge on February 21, 2007, 01:09:26 PM
Here's the top 67 teams (QoWI 9.3 and up) with conference and presumptive pool added. I am not predicting A's, I am not attempting to identify who is leading a conference for the A, I'm merely picking the first-listed team in each conference and awarding the A on that basis (disclaimers required because of endless confused misunderstanding on this subject last year.) The B's and C's are bolded and numbered (C1-C32 and B1-B4.) There will be 3 4 B and 19 18 C bids awarded.

   1 11.652 1 UW-Stevens Point 0.957 (22-1) 23-2 WIAC A
   2 11.625 1 Amherst 0.958 (23-1) 24-1 NESCAC A
   3 10.950 2 Trinity (Conn.) 0.850 (17-3) 21-3 NESCAC C1
   4 10.810 3 Worcester Polytech 0.905 (19-2) 21-2 NEWMAC A
   5 10.708 4 Salem State 0.920 (23-2) 23-2 MASCAC A
   6 10.696 1 Chicago 0.818 (18-4) 20-4 UAA A
   7 10.667 1 Mississippi College 0.952 (20-1) 22-2 ASC A
   8 10.640 2 St. Thomas 0.880 (22-3) 22-3 MIAC A
   9 10.600 1 Lake Erie 0.950 (19-1) 23-2 AMCC A
   10 10.520 5 Rhode Island College 0.880 (22-3) 22-3 LEC A
   11 10.400 1 Brockport State 0.840 (21-4) 22-4 SUNYAC A
   12 10.381 2 Washington U. 0.810 (17-4) 19-4 UAA C2
   13 10.375 2 Virginia Wesleyan 0.875 (21-3) 22-3 ODAC A
   14 10.333 3 Aurora 0.913 (21-2) 23-2 NathCon B1
   15 10.318 3 St. John's 0.864 (19-3) 19-6 MIAC C3
   16 10.292 2 St. Lawrence 0.792 (19-5) 20-5 LL A
   17 10.261 1 Ramapo 0.783 (18-5) 19-7 NJAC A Clinched
   18 10.250 4 Occidental 0.813 (13-3) 18-5 SCIAC A Clinched
   19 10.250 4 Augustana 0.833 (20-4) 20-5 CCIW A
   20 10.238 3 DePauw 0.900 (18-2) 21-4 SCAC A
   21 10.217 3 Rochester 0.739 (17-6) 17-7 UAA C4
   22 10.217 6 Keene State 0.826 (19-4) 22-4 LEC C4
   23 10.208 4 St. John Fisher 0.792 (19-5) 20-5 E8 A
   24 10.174 5 UW-Oshkosh 0.783 (18-5) 21-5 WIAC C6    Lost to UWLC in Semis
   25 10.174 1 Johns Hopkins 0.864 (19-3) 21-4 Centennial A
   26 10.136 2 John Carroll 0.727 (16-6) 17-8 OAC A
   27 10.125 7 Brandeis 0.750 (18-6) 18-6 UAA C7
   28 10.105 2 Messiah 0.842 (16-3) 19-5 MACC A
   29 10.038 2 Stevens 0.808 (21-5) 21-5 SKY A
   30 10.000 4 Guilford 0.870 (20-3) 21-3 ODAC C8   Lost to BC in the ODAC Qtrf 21-4/20-4
   31 10.000 5 Averett 0.800 (16-4) 18-6 USASAC A
   32 10.000 3 Catholic 0.792 (19-5) 20-5 CAC A
   33 10.000 4 Lincoln 0.786 (11-3) 17-7 Ind B2
   34 10.000 3 Wooster 0.900 (18-2) 23-3 NCAC A
   35 9.960 6 Mary Hardin-Baylor 0.840 (21-4) 21-4 ASC C9   Lost to Hardin-Simmons in the ASC-Semis
   36 9.909 6 Whitworth 0.864 (19-3) 22-3 NWC A
   37 9.905 7 Loras 0.810 (17-4) 19-6 IIAC A
   38 9.900 4 Ohio Northern 0.700 (14-6) 19-6 OAC C10
   39 9.875 5 Hood 0.792 (19-5) 20-6 CAC C11
   40 9.870 5 New York University 0.783 (18-5) 19-5 UAA C12
   41 9.870 6 Scranton 0.739 (17-6) 19-6 MACF A
   42 9.864 8 UW-La Crosse 0.727 (16-6) 18-7 WIAC C13
   43 9.800 3 Manhattanville 0.800 (20-5) 21-5 SKY C14
   44 9.792 8 Bates 0.708 (17-7) 18-7 NESCAC C15
   45 9.778 7 Centre 0.778 (14-4) 20-4 SCAC C16
   46 9.773 8 Maryville (Tenn.) 0.864 (19-3) 19-6 GSAC B3
   47 9.765 5 Hope 0.824 (14-3) 21-3 MIAA A
   48 9.762 6 Hamilton 0.714 (15-6) 18-6 LL C17
   49 9.739 7 Alvernia 0.913 (21-2) 22-4 PennaAC A Clinched
   50 9.737 6 Westminster (Pa.) 0.842 (16-3) 18-7 PresAC B4 Lost in Pres AC Semis 18-8/16-4
   51 9.708 9 Husson 0.875 (21-3) 21-5 NAC A
   52 9.652 4 New Jersey City 0.696 (16-7) 17-8 NJAC C19     Lost in NJAC Finals 18-9/17-8
   53 9.650 5 Elmhurst 0.750 (15-5) 19-5 CCIW C20
   54 9.636 9 McMurry 0.818 (18-4) 19-6 ASC C21    Lost to Miss Coll in ASC- Semis
   55 9.625 8 King's 0.708 (17-7) 17-8 MACF C22
   56 9.529 9 Lewis and Clark 0.765 (13-4) 18-6 NWC C23
   57 9.500 6 Carthage 0.650 (13-7) 16-8 CCIW C24
   58 9.500 7 Capital 0.667 (16-8) 16-8 OAC C24
   59 9.476 8 Wittenberg 0.810 (17-4) 22-4 NCAC C26     Lost to OWU in NCAC Semis 22-5/17-5
   60 9.409 7 Grinnell 0.727 (16-6) 17-6 MWC A
   61 9.364 9 FDU-Florham 0.636 (14-8) 17-8 MACF C27
   62 9.360 10 Tufts 0.600 (15-10) 15-10 NESCAC C28
   63 9.348 7 Utica 0.739 (17-6) 18-6 E8 C29
   64 9.346 11 Western New England 0.731 (19-7) 19-7 GNAC A
   65 9.318 10 DeSales 0.727 (16-6) 18-7 MACF C30
   66 9.316 8 Wheaton (Ill.) 0.632 (12-7) 16-8 CCIW C31    Lost to Elmhurst in CCIW Semis 17-9/12-8
   67 9.300 5 Rowan 0.750 (15-5) 20-5 NJAC C32

Ralph Turner · February 22, 2007, 09:32:42 PM

All right, bubble watchers. Guilford was defeated by Bridgewater (South Region 7-15). We need Bridgewater to lose in the next round (and bring their South Region record to 7-16 .304) to keep the Guilford defeat worth "0" 1 QOWI point!

I calculate the new Guilford QOWI as 231 points divided 24 games = 9.625.

Isn't it fun following the carnage and hoping that your team gets thru it!

Kinda like a wreck on the last lap at Daytona and your driver has to make it thru the smoke and wreckage!

(Thanks to David Collinge for the correction!)

jscwittfan · February 22, 2007, 09:36:07 PM

Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 22, 2007, 09:32:42 PM
Kinda like a wreck on the last lap at Daytona and your driver has to make it thru the smoke and wreckage!

If ever there was an analogy that effectively summed this whole mess up...

David Collinge · February 22, 2007, 09:53:42 PM

UW-La Crosse defeats UW-Oshkosh and advances to the WIAC finals against UW-Stevens Point. I think this result removes any lingering doubt about whether the WIAC will get three teams in. (The answer is 'yes.') So there's two Pool C's by the wayside: one to Oshkosh, the other to Saturday's LaX/SP loser.

Oshkosh is now at .750 in-region and should end up with a QoWI of 10.041. They beat Stevens Point and Grinnell (regionally ranked teams.)
If LaX loses to SP tomorrow, they'll be at .708 and 9.917, with wins over Oshkosh (3x!) and St. Thomas.

I think they're both in. Oh, and so is Stevens Point.

David Collinge · February 22, 2007, 10:12:00 PM

Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 22, 2007, 09:32:42 PM
All right, bubble watchers. Guilford was defeated by Bridgewater (South Region 7-15). We need Bridgewater to lose in the next round (and bring their South Region record to 7-16 .304) to keep the Guilford defeat worth "0" QOWI points!

It'd still be worth 1 point, for the neutral site location.

diehardfan · February 22, 2007, 10:15:10 PM

Quote from: David Collinge on February 22, 2007, 09:53:42 PM
UW-La Crosse defeats UW-Oshkosh and advances to the WIAC finals against UW-Stevens Point. I think this result removes any lingering doubt about whether the WIAC will get three teams in. (The answer is 'yes.') So there's two Pool C's by the wayside: one to Oshkosh, the other to Saturday's LaX/SP loser.

Oshkosh is now at .750 in-region and should end up with a QoWI of 10.041. They beat Stevens Point and Grinnell (regionally ranked teams.)
If LaX loses to SP tomorrow, they'll be at .708 and 9.917, with wins over Oshkosh (3x!) and St. Thomas.

I think they're both in. Oh, and so is Stevens Point.

I've had a feeling for a while that the west region was going to grab a high percentage of the Pool Cs. Between these two, and the automatic C for the MIAC loser (St. John's or St. Thomas) and a good chance of both Lewis and Clark and Whitworth getting in, we sure are hogging a lot of bids this year...

Ralph Turner · February 22, 2007, 10:24:41 PM

dhf, I think that the current Pool C line is at about C14, QOWI = 9.800.

I think that L&C must win the NWC tourney.

ILive4This · February 22, 2007, 10:27:42 PM

can someone explain how those numbers are calculated I am kind of figuring it out by reading different posts but I was wondering if someone could tell me the actual formula