Pool C

Started by Pat Coleman, January 20, 2006, 02:35:54 PM

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ChicagoHopeNut

Pat. Any chance there is an email address you could direct us to without giving it to us to send the committee our frustrations about this late change? I promise I'd keep it very mature and low key, unlike my posts here on the issue.

Or maybe an online petition! Kind of like "fireronzook.com"
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bucs77

Why don't we just  expand the field to one more like D1 (the 65th team) and tell some conference  that their championship game is really the first round of the ncaa tournament? I wouldn't put it past them

Just Bill

In response to the front page poll, the most fair thing to do would have been to admit the mistake and make the total field 60 for this year.  Place 19 Pool C teams AND 4 Pool B teams into the field.  Then the only team that can claim they got hurt by this mistake will be the one highly seeded team who should have gotten a bye, but instead has to play a first round game.

The old "Neanderthals, Chimps And Apes" joke is starting to sound too complimentary.
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smedindy

Idiots! Mo-rons. Oh, well, that's what they get for foisiting their inane QoWI on us, anyway.
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sac

Bridgewater 88 #17 Guilford 79

Upset in the ODAC,  Guilford now joins the bubble.....but they look in decent shape.

smedindy

I think Guilford is in good shape. Mayhaps. Unless chaos reigns.
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ILive4This

Alright, so I hate this issue with the pool c bids as much of the next person, but having 18 rather than 19, is not an issue that would make a team play harder or win more games. It is not a call that the NCAA should just add more teams, atleast not for this reason. It does stink, especially since my school is very much a bubble team, but a numbers mistake is simply just that.

In summary, the team who would be 19th is still the 19th team in the pool c, whether they make it in or not should not matter since they would not know if they are the 19th team or not until sunday anyway.

Ralph Turner

#982
David, I will borrow your compilation to update the tourneys.  Feel free to edit over this.
Quote from: David Collinge on February 21, 2007, 01:09:26 PM
Here's the top 67 teams (QoWI 9.3 and up) with conference and presumptive pool added.  I am not predicting A's, I am not attempting to identify who is leading a conference for the A, I'm merely picking the first-listed team in each conference and awarding the A on that basis (disclaimers required because of endless confused misunderstanding on this subject last year.)  The B's and C's are bolded and numbered (C1-C32 and B1-B4.)  There will be 3 4 B and 19 18 C bids awarded.

   1   11.652   1   UW-Stevens Point   0.957 (22-1)   23-2 WIAC A   
   2   11.625   1   Amherst   0.958 (23-1)   24-1 NESCAC A   
   3   10.950   2   Trinity (Conn.)   0.850 (17-3)   21-3 NESCAC C1   
   4   10.810   3   Worcester Polytech   0.905 (19-2)   21-2 NEWMAC A   
   5   10.708   4   Salem State   0.920 (23-2)   23-2 MASCAC A   
   6   10.696   1   Chicago   0.818 (18-4)   20-4 UAA A   
   7   10.667   1   Mississippi College   0.952 (20-1)   22-2 ASC A   
   8   10.640   2   St. Thomas   0.880 (22-3)   22-3 MIAC A   
   9   10.600   1   Lake Erie   0.950 (19-1)   23-2 AMCC A   
   10   10.520   5   Rhode Island College   0.880 (22-3)   22-3 LEC A   
   11   10.400   1   Brockport State   0.840 (21-4)   22-4 SUNYAC A   
   12   10.381   2   Washington U.   0.810 (17-4)   19-4 UAA C2   
   13   10.375   2   Virginia Wesleyan   0.875 (21-3)   22-3 ODAC A   
   14   10.333   3   Aurora   0.913 (21-2)   23-2 NathCon B1   
   15   10.318   3   St. John's   0.864 (19-3)   19-6 MIAC C3   
   16   10.292   2   St. Lawrence   0.792 (19-5)   20-5 LL A   
   17   10.261   1   Ramapo   0.783 (18-5)   19-7 NJAC A  Clinched   
   18   10.250   4   Occidental   0.813 (13-3)   18-5 SCIAC A Clinched
   19   10.250   4   Augustana   0.833 (20-4)   20-5 CCIW A   
   20   10.238   3   DePauw   0.900 (18-2)   21-4 SCAC A   
   21   10.217   3   Rochester   0.739 (17-6)   17-7 UAA C4   
   22   10.217   6   Keene State   0.826 (19-4)   22-4 LEC C4   
   23   10.208   4   St. John Fisher   0.792 (19-5)   20-5 E8 A   
   24   10.174   5   UW-Oshkosh   0.783 (18-5)   21-5 WIAC C6    Lost to UWLC in Semis
   25   10.174   1   Johns Hopkins   0.864 (19-3)   21-4 Centennial A   
   26   10.136   2   John Carroll   0.727 (16-6)   17-8 OAC A   
   27   10.125   7   Brandeis   0.750 (18-6)   18-6 UAA C7   
   28   10.105   2   Messiah   0.842 (16-3)   19-5 MACC A   
   29   10.038   2   Stevens   0.808 (21-5)   21-5 SKY A   
   30   10.000   4   Guilford   0.870 (20-3)   21-3 ODAC C8   Lost to BC in the ODAC Qtrf 21-4/20-4
   31   10.000   5   Averett   0.800 (16-4)   18-6 USASAC A   
   32   10.000   3   Catholic   0.792 (19-5)   20-5 CAC A   
   33   10.000   4   Lincoln   0.786 (11-3)   17-7 Ind B2   
   34   10.000   3   Wooster   0.900 (18-2)   23-3 NCAC A   
   35   9.960   6   Mary Hardin-Baylor   0.840 (21-4)   21-4 ASC C9   Lost to Hardin-Simmons in the ASC-Semis
   36   9.909   6   Whitworth   0.864 (19-3)   22-3 NWC A   
   37   9.905   7   Loras   0.810 (17-4)   19-6 IIAC A   
   38   9.900   4   Ohio Northern   0.700 (14-6)   19-6 OAC C10   
   39   9.875   5   Hood   0.792 (19-5)   20-6 CAC C11   
   40   9.870   5   New York University   0.783 (18-5)   19-5 UAA C12   
   41   9.870   6   Scranton   0.739 (17-6)   19-6 MACF A   
   42   9.864   8   UW-La Crosse   0.727 (16-6)   18-7 WIAC C13   
   43   9.800   3   Manhattanville   0.800 (20-5)   21-5 SKY C14   
   44   9.792   8   Bates   0.708 (17-7)   18-7 NESCAC C15   
   45   9.778   7   Centre   0.778 (14-4)   20-4 SCAC C16   
   46   9.773   8   Maryville (Tenn.)   0.864 (19-3)   19-6 GSAC B3   
   47   9.765   5   Hope   0.824 (14-3)   21-3 MIAA A   
   48   9.762   6   Hamilton   0.714 (15-6)   18-6 LL C17   
   49   9.739   7   Alvernia   0.913 (21-2)   22-4 PennaAC A Clinched   
   50   9.737   6   Westminster (Pa.)   0.842 (16-3)   18-7 PresAC B4  Lost in Pres AC Semis 18-8/16-4
   51   9.708   9   Husson   0.875 (21-3)   21-5 NAC A   
   52   9.652   4   New Jersey City   0.696 (16-7)   17-8 NJAC C19     Lost in NJAC Finals 18-9/17-8
   53   9.650   5   Elmhurst   0.750 (15-5)   19-5 CCIW C20   
   54   9.636   9   McMurry   0.818 (18-4)   19-6 ASC C21    Lost to Miss Coll in ASC- Semis
   55   9.625   8   King's   0.708 (17-7)   17-8 MACF C22   
   56   9.529   9   Lewis and Clark   0.765 (13-4)   18-6 NWC C23   
   57   9.500   6   Carthage   0.650 (13-7)   16-8 CCIW C24   
   58   9.500   7   Capital   0.667 (16-8)   16-8 OAC C24   
   59   9.476   8   Wittenberg   0.810 (17-4)   22-4 NCAC C26     Lost to OWU in NCAC Semis  22-5/17-5
   60   9.409   7   Grinnell   0.727 (16-6)   17-6 MWC A   
   61   9.364   9   FDU-Florham   0.636 (14-8)   17-8 MACF C27   
   62   9.360   10   Tufts   0.600 (15-10)   15-10 NESCAC C28   
   63   9.348   7   Utica   0.739 (17-6)   18-6 E8 C29   
   64   9.346   11   Western New England   0.731 (19-7)   19-7 GNAC A   
   65   9.318   10   DeSales   0.727 (16-6)   18-7 MACF C30   
   66   9.316   8   Wheaton (Ill.)   0.632 (12-7)   16-8 CCIW C31    Lost to Elmhurst in CCIW Semis 17-9/12-8
   67   9.300   5   Rowan   0.750 (15-5)   20-5 NJAC C32   


Ralph Turner

#983
All right, bubble watchers.  Guilford was defeated by Bridgewater (South Region 7-15).  We need Bridgewater to lose in the next round (and bring their South Region record to 7-16 .304) to keep the Guilford defeat worth "0" 1 QOWI point!

I calculate the new Guilford QOWI as 231 points divided 24 games = 9.625.

Isn't it fun following the carnage and hoping that your team gets thru it!

Kinda like a wreck on the last lap at Daytona and your driver has to make it thru the smoke and wreckage!   :D ;D

(Thanks to David Collinge for the correction!)

jscwittfan

Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 22, 2007, 09:32:42 PM
Kinda like a wreck on the last lap at Daytona and your driver has to make it thru the smoke and wreckage!   :D ;D

If ever there was an analogy that effectively summed this whole mess up...
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David Collinge

#985
UW-La Crosse defeats UW-Oshkosh and advances to the WIAC finals against UW-Stevens Point.  I think this result removes any lingering doubt about whether the WIAC will get three teams in.  (The answer is 'yes.')  So there's two Pool C's by the wayside: one to Oshkosh, the other to Saturday's LaX/SP loser.

Oshkosh is now at .750 in-region and should end up with a QoWI of 10.041.  They beat Stevens Point and Grinnell (regionally ranked teams.)
If LaX loses to SP tomorrow, they'll be at .708 and 9.917, with wins over Oshkosh (3x!) and St. Thomas.

I think they're both in.  Oh, and so is Stevens Point. ;)

David Collinge

Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 22, 2007, 09:32:42 PM
All right, bubble watchers.  Guilford was defeated by Bridgewater (South Region 7-15).  We need Bridgewater to lose in the next round (and bring their South Region record to 7-16 .304) to keep the Guilford defeat worth "0" QOWI points!

It'd still be worth 1 point, for the neutral site location.

diehardfan

Quote from: David Collinge on February 22, 2007, 09:53:42 PM
UW-La Crosse defeats UW-Oshkosh and advances to the WIAC finals against UW-Stevens Point.  I think this result removes any lingering doubt about whether the WIAC will get three teams in.  (The answer is 'yes.')  So there's two Pool C's by the wayside: one to Oshkosh, the other to Saturday's LaX/SP loser.

Oshkosh is now at .750 in-region and should end up with a QoWI of 10.041.  They beat Stevens Point and Grinnell (regionally ranked teams.)
If LaX loses to SP tomorrow, they'll be at .708 and 9.917, with wins over Oshkosh (3x!) and St. Thomas.

I think they're both in.  Oh, and so is Stevens Point. ;)
I've had a feeling for a while that the west region was going to grab a high percentage of the Pool Cs. Between these two, and the automatic C for the MIAC loser (St. John's or St. Thomas) and a good chance of both Lewis and Clark and Whitworth getting in, we sure are hogging a lot of bids this year...
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Ralph Turner

dhf, I think that the current Pool C line is at about C14, QOWI = 9.800.

I think that L&C must win the NWC tourney.

ILive4This

can someone explain how those numbers are calculated I am kind of figuring it out by reading different posts but I was wondering if someone could tell me the actual formula