Pool C

[David Collinge]

can someone explain how those numbers are calculated I am kind of figuring it out by reading different posts but I was wondering if someone could tell me the actual formula

Look in the FAQ, it should help you out.

[ILive4This]

Is gordon college and the CCC a pool b team/conf or pool c, because i noticed they were the top team in the league and lost tonight.

[Ralph Turner]

Is gordon college and the CCC a pool b team/conf or pool c, because i noticed they were the top team in the league and lost tonight.

The CCC is a Pool A conference.  Its tourney winner gets the Pool A bid.

[Matt Letourneau]

I wouldn't really have believed this at the beginning of the year, but it now looks like the CAC will get both its final teams in--Hood and Catholic.  Catholic at 10.0 (and going up, with tonight's win over Mary Washington), and Hood at 9.875 (and a win over St. Mary's tonight).

Consensus seems to be that if Catholic loses the final, they're still in good shape.  If Hood loses, its in LESS good shape but still fairly strong.

Somewhat remarkable given the parity in the conference this year.  But Catholic had a strong regional out of conference run at the beginning of the season and has finished strong in league play.

[Pat Coleman]

Through Thursday:

Rank   QOWI   Rk in-reg   Team   Reg. W-L   Overall
1   11.625   1   Amherst   0.958 (23-1)   24-1
2   11.565   1   UW-Stevens Point   0.958 (23-1)   24-2
3   10.950   2   Trinity (Conn.)   0.850 (17-3)   21-3
4   10.810   3   Worcester Polytech   0.905 (19-2)   21-2
5   10.696   1   Chicago   0.818 (18-4)   20-4
6   10.692   2   St. Thomas   0.885 (23-3)   23-3
7   10.667   1   Mississippi College   0.952 (20-1)   22-2
8   10.625   4   Salem State   0.920 (23-2)   23-2
9   10.600   1   Lake Erie   0.950 (19-1)   23-2
10   10.520   5   Rhode Island College   0.880 (22-3)   22-3
11   10.476   2   Washington U.   0.810 (17-4)   19-4
12   10.412   3   Occidental   0.824 (14-3)   19-5
13   10.400   1   Brockport State   0.840 (21-4)   22-4
14   10.400   2   Virginia Wesleyan   0.880 (22-3)   23-3
15   10.391   4   St. John's   0.870 (20-3)   20-6
16   10.292   2   St. Lawrence   0.792 (19-5)   20-5
17   10.292   1   Ramapo   0.792 (19-5)   20-7
18   10.250   3   Aurora   0.913 (21-2)   23-2
19   10.238   3   DePauw   0.900 (18-2)   21-4
20   10.217   6   Keene State   0.826 (19-4)   22-4
21   10.217   3   Rochester   0.739 (17-6)   17-7
22   10.208   4   St. John Fisher   0.792 (19-5)   20-5
23   10.200   1   Messiah   0.800 (16-4)   19-6
24   10.174   2   Johns Hopkins   0.864 (19-3)   21-4
25   10.143   3   Lincoln   0.786 (11-3)   17-7
26   10.125   7   Brandeis   0.750 (18-6)   18-6
27   10.083   4   Augustana   0.833 (20-4)   20-5
28   10.080   4   Catholic   0.800 (20-5)   21-5
29   10.000   4   Averett   0.800 (16-4)   18-6
30   10.000   5   Loras   0.818 (18-4)   20-6
31   9.960   5   Hood   0.800 (20-5)   21-6
32   9.960   5   Mary Hardin-Baylor   0.840 (21-4)   21-4
33   9.957   2   John Carroll   0.739 (17-6)   18-8
34   9.913   6   UW-La Crosse   0.739 (17-6)   19-7
35   9.909   7   Whitworth   0.864 (19-3)   22-3
36   9.900   3   Wooster   0.900 (18-2)   23-3
37   9.870   5   New York University   0.783 (18-5)   19-5
38   9.833   8   UW-Oshkosh   0.750 (18-6)   21-6
39   9.800   6   King's   0.720 (18-7)   18-8
40   9.778   6   Centre   0.778 (14-4)   20-4
41   9.778   9   Lewis and Clark   0.778 (14-4)   19-6
42   9.773   7   Maryville (Tenn.)   0.864 (19-3)   19-6
43   9.762   6   Hamilton   0.714 (15-6)   18-6
44   9.741   2   Stevens   0.778 (21-6)   21-6
45   9.739   7   Alvernia   0.913 (21-2)   22-4
46   9.731   3   Manhattanville   0.808 (21-5)   22-5
47   9.708   8   Scranton   0.708 (17-7)   19-7
48   9.708   8   Bates   0.708 (17-7)   18-7
49   9.667   4   Hope   0.833 (15-3)   22-3
50   9.667   4   New Jersey City   0.708 (17-7)   18-8
51   9.636   8   McMurry   0.818 (18-4)   19-6
52   9.625   9   Husson   0.875 (21-3)   21-5
53   9.625   9   Guilford   0.833 (20-4)   21-4
54   9.619   5   Ohio Northern   0.667 (14-7)   19-7
55   9.565   9   DeSales   0.739 (17-6)   19-7
56   9.476   6   Wittenberg   0.810 (17-4)   22-4
57   9.450   7   Westminster (Pa.)   0.800 (16-4)   18-8
58   9.429   5   Elmhurst   0.762 (16-5)   20-5
59   9.360   10   Tufts   0.600 (15-10)   15-10
60   9.348   7   Utica   0.739 (17-6)   18-6
61   9.318   6   Grinnell   0.727 (16-6)   17-6
62   9.300   7   Wheaton (Ill.)   0.650 (13-7)   17-8
63   9.273   10   Greensboro   0.773 (17-5)   20-6
64   9.261   10   FDU-Florham   0.609 (14-9)   17-9
65   9.250   11   Bridgewater State   0.708 (17-7)   17-7
66   9.238   5   Richard Stockton   0.667 (14-7)   17-9
67   9.235   10   Redlands   0.765 (13-4)   17-7
68   9.200   8   Capital   0.680 (17-8)   17-8
69   9.190   9   Baldwin-Wallace   0.714 (15-6)   18-8
70   9.190   12   Colby   0.667 (14-7)   15-10
71   9.190   8   Plattsburgh State   0.714 (15-6)   18-8
72   9.148   11   UW-Whitewater   0.667 (18-9)   18-9
73   9.143   6   Rowan   0.714 (15-6)   20-6
74   9.136   11   Villa Julie   0.727 (16-6)   18-7
75   9.130   10   Penn State-Behrend   0.739 (17-6)   18-6
76   9.111   13   Western New England   0.704 (19-8)   19-8
77   9.083   12   Susquehanna   0.583 (14-10)   16-10
78   9.083   11   Otterbein   0.625 (15-9)   16-10
79   9.048   8   Carthage   0.619 (13-8)   16-9
80   9.045   13   Juniata   0.682 (15-7)   16-10
81   9.043   7   SUNY-Old Westbury   0.652 (15-8)   18-9
82   9.000   14   Babson   0.600 (15-10)   16-10
83   9.000   8   SUNY-Farmingdale   0.667 (16-8)   18-9
84   9.000   11   Millsaps   0.737 (14-5)   17-8
85   9.000   12   Pomona-Pitzer   0.688 (11-5)   16-8
86   8.962   14   York (Pa.)   0.615 (16-10)   16-10
87   8.958   9   William Paterson   0.625 (15-9)   15-10
88   8.955   15   Ursinus   0.682 (15-7)   16-9
89   8.952   13   Puget Sound   0.714 (15-6)   18-7
90   8.952   14   Buena Vista   0.667 (14-7)   17-8
91   8.952   15   Cal Lutheran   0.619 (13-8)   17-8
92   8.950   12   Carnegie Mellon   0.524 (11-10)   12-11
93   8.917   9   Transylvania   0.667 (16-8)   17-8
94   8.905   10   Carroll   0.667 (14-7)   14-8
95   8.889   11   North Central   0.611 (11-7)   16-9
96   8.880   16   Coe   0.680 (17-8)   19-8
97   8.800   15   Elms   0.680 (17-8)   18-8
98   8.783   17   Simpson   0.609 (14-9)   18-9
99   8.769   16   Lasell   0.615 (16-10)   16-10
100   8.760   10   Rutgers-Newark   0.600 (15-10)   17-10
101   8.750   16   Mary Washington   0.625 (15-9)   16-10
102   8.750   12   Bluffton   0.667 (14-7)   18-7
103   8.727   9   Vassar   0.636 (14-8)   15-9
104   8.720   18   Bethel   0.680 (17-8)   18-8
105   8.696   17   Williams   0.565 (13-10)   14-11
106   8.696   10   Oswego State   0.609 (14-9)   15-11
107   8.696   13   Edgewood   0.696 (16-7)   17-7
108   8.692   14   Dominican   0.654 (17-9)   17-9
109   8.684   17   Chestnut Hill   0.696 (16-7)   18-8
110   8.682   18   Baptist Bible   0.727 (16-6)   18-7
111   8.680   11   Clarkson   0.560 (14-11)   14-11
112   8.667   18   Gordon   0.667 (16-8)   19-8
113   8.667   12   Geneseo State   0.583 (14-10)   15-11
114   8.652   12   Texas-Dallas   0.696 (16-7)   18-7
115   8.600   19   Middlebury   0.600 (15-10)   15-10
116   8.556   13   Calvin   0.667 (12-6)   16-9
117   8.545   14   Bethany   0.682 (15-7)   19-8
118   8.522   13   Rochester Tech   0.565 (13-10)   14-11
119   8.500   19   Haverford   0.600 (12-8)   13-11
120   8.500   15   Ohio Wesleyan   0.636 (14-8)   17-9
121   8.500   20   Mass-Dartmouth   0.583 (14-10)   14-12
122   8.478   21   Westfield State   0.609 (14-9)   16-10
123   8.462   20   St. Mary's (Md.)   0.577 (15-11)   16-11
124   8.429   14   Ithaca   0.571 (12-9)   14-11
125   8.429   15   Webster   0.619 (13-8)   16-9
126   8.423   22   Endicott   0.577 (15-11)   15-11
127   8.391   15   SUNYIT   0.609 (14-9)   16-10
128   8.364   16   Lake Forest   0.591 (13-9)   14-9
129   8.353   19   Claremont-Mudd-Scripps   0.588 (10-7)   15-10
130   8.333   23   Bowdoin   0.583 (14-10)   15-10
131   8.320   11   St. Joseph's (L.I.)   0.640 (16-9)   17-9
132   8.304   24   Emerson   0.652 (15-8)   16-9
133   8.304   12   York (N.Y.)   0.696 (16-7)   17-10
134   8.300   17   MacMurray   0.650 (13-7)   16-8
135   8.286   13   Trinity (Texas)   0.571 (12-9)   14-11
136   8.280   25   Rivier   0.720 (18-7)   19-8
137   8.261   18   Lakeland   0.609 (14-9)   16-10
138   8.238   19   Ripon   0.571 (12-9)   13-9
139   8.227   14   LeTourneau   0.636 (14-8)   15-9
140   8.208   20   Franklin   0.625 (15-9)   16-9
141   8.190   21   Defiance   0.619 (13-8)   16-8
142   8.190   22   Mt. St. Joseph   0.571 (12-9)   13-12
143   8.182   21   Wilkes   0.500 (11-11)   12-11
144   8.176   16   Tri-State   0.647 (11-6)   16-8
145   8.160   26   MIT   0.520 (13-12)   14-12
146   8.143   22   Lycoming   0.524 (11-10)   13-12
147   8.143   23   Hanover   0.571 (12-9)   14-11
148   8.118   20   Chapman   0.706 (12-5)   19-5
149   8.111   15   Hendrix   0.556 (10-8)   15-9
150   8.095   21   UW-Platteville   0.524 (11-10)   13-12
151   8.056   27   St. Joseph's (Maine)   0.611 (11-7)   17-7
152   8.048   24   Lawrence   0.524 (11-10)   13-10
153   8.043   23   Lebanon Valley   0.522 (12-11)   14-11
154   8.042   24   Widener   0.500 (12-12)   13-12
155   8.000   28   Springfield   0.462 (12-14)   12-14
156   8.000   22   Gustavus Adolphus   0.538 (14-12)   14-13
157   7.962   29   Wentworth Tech   0.615 (16-10)   16-11
158   7.960   16   Hardin-Simmons   0.560 (14-11)   14-11
159   7.958   17   Heidelberg   0.500 (12-12)   13-13
160   7.958   30   Western Connecticut   0.542 (13-11)   14-12
161   7.955   31   Eastern Connecticut   0.545 (12-10)   15-11
162   7.952   17   Roanoke   0.619 (13-8)   16-10
163   7.917   16   RPI   0.500 (12-12)   13-12
164   7.917   25   Wisconsin Lutheran   0.583 (14-10)   15-11
165   7.909   26   Manchester   0.545 (12-10)   15-10
166   7.900   25   Marymount   0.500 (10-10)   14-11
167   7.895   18   Albion   0.526 (10-9)   10-15
168   7.889   27   Fontbonne   0.556 (10-8)   14-11
169   7.889   23   Pacific   0.556 (10-8)   12-13
170   7.880   19   Wilmington   0.480 (12-13)   13-13
171   7.875   18   LaGrange   0.625 (10-6)   17-8
172   7.875   19   Oglethorpe   0.542 (13-11)   14-11
173   7.870   26   Gettysburg   0.565 (13-10)   13-12
174   7.864   24   Carleton   0.500 (11-11)   11-15
175   7.857   17   Union   0.524 (11-10)   11-13
176   7.826   13   Kings Point   0.565 (13-10)   14-12
177   7.808   32   Curry   0.577 (15-11)   15-12
178   7.783   20   Hampden-Sydney   0.565 (13-10)   16-10
179   7.773   27   Albright   0.364 (8-14)   10-14
180   7.773   18   Alfred   0.455 (10-12)   10-14
181   7.739   33   Emmanuel   0.478 (11-12)   12-15
182   7.739   28   North Park   0.478 (11-12)   13-12
183   7.727   19   Buffalo State   0.455 (10-12)   12-13
184   7.708   20   Hobart   0.417 (10-14)   11-14
185   7.706   20   Adrian   0.588 (10-7)   10-14
186   7.692   28   Pitt-Bradford   0.538 (14-12)   14-12
187   7.667   21   Grove City   0.524 (11-10)   15-12
188   7.667   21   Oneonta State   0.476 (10-11)   11-15
189   7.667   29   Eureka   0.571 (12-9)   15-9
190   7.654   25   St. Olaf   0.500 (13-13)   13-14
191   7.650   14   Montclair State   0.400 (8-12)   12-12
192   7.609   29   Eastern   0.609 (14-9)   16-11
193   7.609   22   Nazareth   0.435 (10-13)   11-14
194   7.591   15   Kean   0.455 (10-12)   13-12
195   7.583   30   Moravian   0.458 (11-13)   11-14
196   7.579   21   Methodist   0.421 (8-11)   11-14
197   7.571   22   Southwestern   0.476 (10-11)   11-14
198   7.565   31   Gwynedd-Mercy   0.565 (13-10)   14-12
199   7.565   34   Castleton State   0.565 (13-10)   15-11
200   7.545   16   New Jersey   0.409 (9-13)   12-14

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

I wouldn't really have believed this at the beginning of the year, but it now looks like the CAC will get both its final teams in--Hood and Catholic.  Catholic at 10.0 (and going up, with tonight's win over Mary Washington), and Hood at 9.875 (and a win over St. Mary's tonight).

Consensus seems to be that if Catholic loses the final, they're still in good shape.  If Hood loses, its in LESS good shape but still fairly strong.

Hey Matt... that consensus I think is just me. I wouldn't bet the world on my thoughts, the NCAA never follows them . And I don't see anyone else posting that thought .

But after yesterday's results and the new QOWI, I think both teams are in... but it would be better if Hood won the CAC title. Does CUA feel like rolling over?!

[systemfan86]

Wheaton beats Carthage to get in the CCIW tournament. Carthage was 6th in the Midwest and Wheaton was 8th - Grinnell was in between.  I presume that this drops Carthage outside the bubble, but does Wheaton need to win their first game in the CCIW tournament to move into consideration? Or would losing the second - and thus the need for a Pool C - cancel out any gain from a win?

As a Grinnell fan, I keep fighting the urge to think they could get a Pool C if they should lose the MWC tournament championship. My calculation says they'd end up at about 9.5 on QoWI which with Carthage and Wheaton's situation could still leave GC in the 6 slot in the MW. But everything else I'm reading says that while they might 'get to the table' for consideration against other regions' representatives, the MW region likely won't get past their #5 team in Pool C consideration.

Here's hoping it's not an issue and GC gets the AQ.

I looked at the updated QoWI calculations after last night and GC's number went down, but their regional rank went up. I couldn't figure out why.

Then it hit me. Dope! Carthage, the team you were commenting on, beat Grinnell in the first game of the year. Their loss could/did have a negative effect on the points Grinnell is credited with. Man, this is w-a-a-a-y too complicated. I now realize that it's stupid to 'project' the QoWI because too many game results can impact it.

Oshkosh is now at .750 in-region and should end up with a QoWI of 10.041.  They beat Stevens Point and Grinnell (regionally ranked teams.)

Of course that comment made me feel better. It's been a while since a win over GC was viewed as a 'good win'. 

[John Gleich]

Here's an update of the WIAC Pool C situation...

2   11.565   1   UW-Stevens Point   0.958 (23-1)   24-2
34   9.913   6   UW-La Crosse   0.739 (17-6)   19-7
38   9.833   8   UW-Oshkosh   0.750 (18-6)   21-6

Point is (still) obviously in regardless.  Oshkosh dropped from a 10.17 to a 9.833 in QOWI.  La Crosse is up from 9.864 to 9.913.  With a loss, La Crosse will lose some QOWI and their regional win percentage will drop to 70.83%... and their QOWI, barring any other changes throughout the country, will drop to 9.7917.

Does the WIAC still have a chance for three teams?  Oshkosh could have really solidified their positioning with a win last night, La Crosse greatly improved their chances with the W.

[pabegg]

Here's an update of the WIAC Pool C situation...

2   11.565   1   UW-Stevens Point   0.958 (23-1)   24-2
34   9.913   6   UW-La Crosse   0.739 (17-6)   19-7
38   9.833   8   UW-Oshkosh   0.750 (18-6)   21-6

Point is (still) obviously in regardless.  Oshkosh dropped from a 10.17 to a 9.833 in QOWI.  La Crosse is up from 9.864 to 9.913.  With a loss, La Crosse will lose some QOWI and their regional win percentage will drop to 70.83%... and their QOWI, barring any other changes throughout the country, will drop to 9.7917.

Does the WIAC still have a chance for three teams?  Oshkosh could have really solidified their positioning with a win last night, La Crosse greatly improved their chances with the W.

As I just noted on the QOWI page, there's an error (missing the UWSP-UWEC game). This means all of UWEC's opponents are too high.

UWSP should be 11.2500, UW LaCrosse should be 9.7391 and UW Oshkosh should be 9.667.

[John Gleich]

Here's an update of the WIAC Pool C situation...

2   11.565   1   UW-Stevens Point   0.958 (23-1)   24-2
34   9.913   6   UW-La Crosse   0.739 (17-6)   19-7
38   9.833   8   UW-Oshkosh   0.750 (18-6)   21-6

Point is (still) obviously in regardless.  Oshkosh dropped from a 10.17 to a 9.833 in QOWI.  La Crosse is up from 9.864 to 9.913.  With a loss, La Crosse will lose some QOWI and their regional win percentage will drop to 70.83%... and their QOWI, barring any other changes throughout the country, will drop to 9.7917.

Does the WIAC still have a chance for three teams?  Oshkosh could have really solidified their positioning with a win last night, La Crosse greatly improved their chances with the W.

As I just noted on the QOWI page, there's an error (missing the UWSP-UWEC game). This means all of UWEC's opponents are too high.

UWSP should be 11.2500, UW LaCrosse should be 9.7391 and UW Oshkosh should be 9.667.

Ok then...  (CRAP)... with a loss, LaX would be right at Oshkosh's same 9.667.  That puts them both at approximately the 49 range, based on this early morning's projections.  This doesn't look like it effects any other contenders, as EC appears to have not have scheduled any world beaters in the non-conference.  Others, too, will drop, so 9.667 may be higher than at about approx 50 in the QOWI rankings.  Who would get the nod?  Oshkosh would have a win against UWSP, a win against Grinnell if they win the MWC, but a loss against Elmhurst if they go for the CCIW, La Crosse has a win against St. Thomas, but a loss against Loras.  Oshy would have a win % of .750, to LaX's .7083, but LaX won all three matchups against the Titans this year.

... This is getting about to the point that I just want to stop thinking about this and wait until tomorrow night's games are over so I don't have to think of all the different possibilities!!!

[Matt Letourneau]

I wouldn't really have believed this at the beginning of the year, but it now looks like the CAC will get both its final teams in--Hood and Catholic.  Catholic at 10.0 (and going up, with tonight's win over Mary Washington), and Hood at 9.875 (and a win over St. Mary's tonight).

Consensus seems to be that if Catholic loses the final, they're still in good shape.  If Hood loses, its in LESS good shape but still fairly strong.

Hey Matt... that consensus I think is just me. I wouldn't bet the world on my thoughts, the NCAA never follows them . And I don't see anyone else posting that thought .

But after yesterday's results and the new QOWI, I think both teams are in... but it would be better if Hood won the CAC title. Does CUA feel like rolling over?!

Ha, well though you are quite the authority on these things, don't worry, I was taking into account more than just your opinion.  Quite a few other CAC types seem to feel the same way.  And yes, some of them are in Northeast DC!

HELL NO CUA's not rolling over.  We've got something to prove...the Cardinals want to go out on top.

[buf]

Wittenberg just lost in the NCAC semis.  They have a good regional record but a not-so-good QOWI

[Knightstalker]

Ramapo gets the NJAC pool A bid, NJCU sits on the pool C bubble now, and I don't think they get in with an 18-9 record.

[Pat Coleman]

Overall   QOWI   In reg.   Team   Reg. rec.   Overall
1   11.625   1   Amherst   0.958 (23-1)   24-1
2   11.583   1   UW-Stevens Point   0.958 (23-1)   24-2
3   10.950   2   Trinity (Conn.)   0.850 (17-3)   21-3
4   10.810   3   Worcester Polytech   0.905 (19-2)   21-2
5   10.696   1   Chicago   0.818 (18-4)   20-4
6   10.692   2   St. Thomas   0.885 (23-3)   23-3
7   10.667   1   Lake Erie   0.952 (20-1)   24-2
8   10.600   4   Salem State   0.920 (23-2)   23-2
9   10.577   5   Rhode Island College   0.885 (23-3)   23-3
10   10.480   1   Ramapo   0.800 (20-5)   21-7
11   10.476   2   Washington U.   0.810 (17-4)   19-4
12   10.462   1   Brockport State   0.846 (22-4)   23-4
13   10.455   1   Mississippi College   0.955 (21-1)   23-2
14   10.412   3   Occidental   0.824 (14-3)   19-5
15   10.400   2   St. Lawrence   0.800 (20-5)   21-5
16   10.400   2   Virginia Wesleyan   0.880 (22-3)   23-3
17   10.391   4   St. John's   0.870 (20-3)   20-6
18   10.320   3   Aurora   0.920 (23-2)   24-2
19   10.280   3   St. John Fisher   0.800 (20-5)   21-5
20   10.250   6   Keene State   0.833 (20-4)   23-4
21   10.217   4   Rochester   0.739 (17-6)   17-7
22   10.200   1   Messiah   0.800 (16-4)   19-6
23   10.182   3   DePauw   0.864 (19-3)   22-4
24   10.174   2   Johns Hopkins   0.864 (19-3)   21-4
25   10.167   2   John Carroll   0.750 (18-6)   19-8
26   10.160   4   Augustana   0.840 (21-4)   21-5
27   10.143   3   Lincoln   0.786 (11-3)   18-7
28   10.125   7   Brandeis   0.750 (18-6)   18-6
29   10.105   3   Hope   0.842 (16-3)   23-3
30   10.080   4   Catholic   0.800 (20-5)   21-5
31   10.000   4   Wooster   0.905 (19-2)   24-3
32   10.000   5   Loras   0.818 (18-4)   20-6
33   9.960   5   Hood   0.800 (20-5)   21-6
34   9.947   4   Centre   0.789 (15-4)   21-4
35   9.923   5   Mary Hardin-Baylor   0.846 (22-4)   22-4
36   9.917   6   UW-Oshkosh   0.750 (18-6)   21-6
37   9.913   7   UW-La Crosse   0.739 (17-6)   19-7
38   9.909   8   Whitworth   0.864 (19-3)   22-3
39   9.870   5   New York University   0.783 (18-5)   19-5
40   9.864   6   Hamilton   0.727 (16-6)   19-6
41   9.857   6   Averett   0.810 (17-4)   19-6
42   9.826   7   Maryville (Tenn.)   0.870 (20-3)   20-6
43   9.800   6   King's   0.720 (18-7)   18-8
44   9.778   9   Lewis and Clark   0.778 (14-4)   19-6
45   9.760   8   Husson   0.880 (22-3)   22-5
46   9.750   7   Alvernia   0.917 (22-2)   23-4
47   9.741   2   Stevens   0.778 (21-6)   21-6
48   9.731   3   Manhattanville   0.808 (21-5)   22-5
49   9.708   9   Bates   0.708 (17-7)   18-7
50   9.708   8   Scranton   0.708 (17-7)   19-7
51   9.696   8   McMurry   0.826 (19-4)   20-6
52   9.625   9   Guilford   0.833 (20-4)   21-4
53   9.619   5   Ohio Northern   0.667 (14-7)   19-7
54   9.591   5   Elmhurst   0.773 (17-5)   21-5
55   9.565   9   DeSales   0.739 (17-6)   19-7
56   9.520   4   New Jersey City   0.680 (17-8)   18-9
57   9.500   7   Utica   0.750 (18-6)   19-6
58   9.450   6   Westminster (Pa.)   0.800 (16-4)   18-8
59   9.364   8   Plattsburgh State   0.727 (16-6)   19-8
60   9.364   7   Wittenberg   0.773 (17-5)   22-5
61   9.360   10   Tufts   0.600 (15-10)   15-10
62   9.308   8   Capital   0.692 (18-8)   18-8
63   9.292   9   Penn State-Behrend   0.750 (18-6)   19-6
64   9.261   10   Villa Julie   0.739 (17-6)   19-7
65   9.261   11   FDU-Florham   0.609 (14-9)   17-9
66   9.261   6   Grinnell   0.696 (16-7)   17-7
67   9.238   5   Richard Stockton   0.667 (14-7)   17-9
68   9.235   10   Redlands   0.765 (13-4)   17-7
69   9.200   10   Millsaps   0.750 (15-5)   18-8
70   9.190   11   Colby   0.667 (14-7)   15-10
71   9.190   7   Wheaton (Ill.)   0.619 (13-8)   17-9
72   9.148   11   UW-Whitewater   0.667 (18-9)   18-9
73   9.143   6   Rowan   0.714 (15-6)   20-6
74   9.143   8   Carthage   0.619 (13-8)   16-9
75   9.111   12   Western New England   0.704 (19-8)   19-8
76   9.091   10   Baldwin-Wallace   0.682 (15-7)   18-9
77   9.091   9   Carroll   0.682 (15-7)   15-8
78   9.083   12   Susquehanna   0.583 (14-10)   16-10
79   9.080   13   Bridgewater State   0.680 (17-8)   17-8
80   9.080   10   Transylvania   0.680 (17-8)   18-8
81   9.045   13   Juniata   0.682 (15-7)   16-10
82   9.043   7   SUNY-Old Westbury   0.652 (15-8)   18-9
83   9.000   14   Babson   0.600 (15-10)   16-10
84   9.000   8   SUNY-Farmingdale   0.667 (16-8)   18-9
85   9.000   14   Chestnut Hill   0.750 (15-5)   19-8
86   9.000   11   Otterbein   0.600 (15-10)   16-11
87   9.000   12   Pomona-Pitzer   0.688 (11-5)   16-8
88   8.962   15   Elms   0.692 (18-8)   19-8
89   8.962   15   York (Pa.)   0.615 (16-10)   16-10
90   8.958   9   William Paterson   0.625 (15-9)   15-10
91   8.955   16   Ursinus   0.682 (15-7)   16-9
92   8.952   13   Puget Sound   0.714 (15-6)   18-7
93   8.952   14   Buena Vista   0.667 (14-7)   17-8
94   8.952   15   Cal Lutheran   0.619 (13-8)   17-8
95   8.950   12   Carnegie Mellon   0.524 (11-10)   12-11
96   8.880   16   Coe   0.680 (17-8)   19-8
97   8.857   11   Bluffton   0.619 (13-8)   18-8
98   8.833   12   Edgewood   0.708 (17-7)   18-7
99   8.826   11   Greensboro   0.739 (17-6)   20-7
100   8.789   13   Calvin   0.684 (13-6)   17-9
101   8.789   13   North Central   0.579 (11-8)   16-10
102   8.783   14   Ohio Wesleyan   0.652 (15-8)   18-9
103   8.783   17   Simpson   0.609 (14-9)   18-9
104   8.760   10   Rutgers-Newark   0.600 (15-10)   17-10
105   8.750   16   Westfield State   0.625 (15-9)   17-10
106   8.750   17   Mary Washington   0.625 (15-9)   16-10
107   8.739   14   Lake Forest   0.609 (14-9)   15-9
108   8.704   17   Lasell   0.593 (16-11)   16-11
109   8.696   18   Williams   0.565 (13-10)   14-11
110   8.680   9   Clarkson   0.560 (14-11)   14-11
111   8.667   19   Gordon   0.667 (16-8)   19-8
112   8.667   10   Geneseo State   0.583 (14-10)   15-11
113   8.652   11   Vassar   0.609 (14-9)   15-10
114   8.640   18   Bethel   0.680 (17-8)   18-8
115   8.630   15   Dominican   0.630 (17-10)   17-10
116   8.625   12   Oswego State   0.583 (14-10)   15-12
117   8.609   18   Baptist Bible   0.696 (16-7)   18-8
118   8.600   20   Middlebury   0.600 (15-10)   15-10
119   8.591   16   Defiance   0.636 (14-8)   17-8
120   8.583   12   Texas-Dallas   0.667 (16-8)   18-8
121   8.545   15   Bethany   0.682 (15-7)   19-8
122   8.500   11   York (N.Y.)   0.708 (17-7)   18-10
123   8.500   19   Haverford   0.600 (12-8)   13-11
124   8.500   13   Trinity (Texas)   0.591 (13-9)   15-11
125   8.462   20   St. Mary's (Md.)   0.577 (15-11)   16-11
126   8.458   13   Rochester Tech   0.542 (13-11)   14-12
127   8.440   21   Mass-Dartmouth   0.560 (14-11)   14-13
128   8.423   22   Endicott   0.577 (15-11)   15-11
129   8.381   17   Mt. St. Joseph   0.571 (12-9)   13-12
130   8.364   14   Ithaca   0.545 (12-10)   14-12
131   8.364   18   Ripon   0.545 (12-10)   13-10
132   8.353   19   Claremont-Mudd-Scripps   0.588 (10-7)   15-10
133   8.333   23   Bowdoin   0.583 (14-10)   15-10
134   8.333   15   SUNYIT   0.583 (14-10)   16-11
135   8.333   16   Tri-State   0.611 (11-7)   16-9
136   8.333   19   Hanover   0.571 (12-9)   14-11
137   8.320   12   St. Joseph's (L.I.)   0.640 (16-9)   17-9
138   8.318   20   Webster   0.591 (13-9)   16-10
139   8.304   24   Emerson   0.652 (15-8)   16-9
140   8.280   25   Rivier   0.720 (18-7)   19-8
141   8.238   21   Lawrence   0.524 (11-10)   13-10
142   8.208   22   Lakeland   0.583 (14-10)   16-11
143   8.200   23   Franklin   0.600 (15-10)   16-10
144   8.182   21   Wilkes   0.500 (11-11)   12-11
145   8.167   20   Chapman   0.722 (13-5)   20-5
146   8.160   26   MIT   0.520 (13-12)   14-12
147   8.158   24   Fontbonne   0.579 (11-8)   15-11
148   8.143   22   Lycoming   0.524 (11-10)   13-12
149   8.143   25   MacMurray   0.619 (13-8)   16-9
150   8.105   17   Albion   0.526 (10-9)   10-15
151   8.095   21   UW-Platteville   0.524 (11-10)   13-12
152   8.091   26   Manchester   0.545 (12-10)   15-10
153   8.077   14   Hardin-Simmons   0.577 (15-11)   15-11
154   8.056   27   St. Joseph's (Maine)   0.611 (11-7)   18-7
155   8.053   15   Hendrix   0.526 (10-9)   15-10
156   8.043   23   Lebanon Valley   0.522 (12-11)   14-11
157   8.042   24   Widener   0.500 (12-12)   13-12
158   8.000   28   Springfield   0.462 (12-14)   12-14
159   8.000   16   LaGrange   0.647 (11-6)   18-8
160   8.000   22   Gustavus Adolphus   0.538 (14-12)   14-13
161   7.962   29   Wentworth Tech   0.615 (16-10)   16-11
162   7.958   30   Western Connecticut   0.542 (13-11)   14-12
163   7.958   18   Heidelberg   0.500 (12-12)   13-13
164   7.955   31   Eastern Connecticut   0.545 (12-10)   15-11
165   7.952   17   Roanoke   0.619 (13-8)   16-10
166   7.917   16   RPI   0.500 (12-12)   13-12
167   7.917   27   Wisconsin Lutheran   0.583 (14-10)   15-11
168   7.913   18   LeTourneau   0.609 (14-9)   15-10
169   7.909   28   Eureka   0.591 (13-9)   16-9
170   7.900   25   Marymount   0.500 (10-10)   14-11
171   7.889   19   Adrian   0.556 (10-8)   10-15
172   7.889   23   Pacific   0.556 (10-8)   12-13
173   7.880   20   Wilmington   0.480 (12-13)   13-13
174   7.870   26   Gettysburg   0.565 (13-10)   13-12
175   7.864   24   Carleton   0.500 (11-11)   11-15
176   7.826   13   Kings Point   0.565 (13-10)   14-12
177   7.818   17   Union   0.500 (11-11)   11-14
178   7.808   32   Curry   0.577 (15-11)   15-12
179   7.773   18   Alfred   0.455 (10-12)   10-14
180   7.773   27   Albright   0.364 (8-14)   10-14
181   7.760   19   Oglethorpe   0.520 (13-12)   14-12
182   7.739   33   Emmanuel   0.478 (11-12)   12-15
183   7.739   29   North Park   0.478 (11-12)   13-12
184   7.727   19   Buffalo State   0.455 (10-12)   12-13
185   7.708   20   Hobart   0.417 (10-14)   11-14
186   7.696   20   Hampden-Sydney   0.565 (13-10)   16-10
187   7.667   21   Oneonta State   0.476 (10-11)   11-15
188   7.667   28   Pitt-Bradford   0.519 (14-13)   14-13
189   7.667   21   Grove City   0.524 (11-10)   15-12
190   7.650   14   Montclair State   0.400 (8-12)   12-12
191   7.609   22   Nazareth   0.435 (10-13)   11-14
192   7.609   29   Eastern   0.609 (14-9)   16-11
193   7.591   15   Kean   0.455 (10-12)   13-12
194   7.583   30   Moravian   0.458 (11-13)   11-14
195   7.577   25   St. Olaf   0.500 (13-13)   13-14
196   7.565   34   Castleton State   0.565 (13-10)   15-11
197   7.565   31   Gwynedd-Mercy   0.565 (13-10)   14-12
198   7.545   16   New Jersey   0.409 (9-13)   12-14
199   7.545   21   Southwestern   0.455 (10-12)   11-15
200   7.545   22   Emory   0.318 (7-15)   8-16

[pabegg]

As we start play today, I'm looking at about seven locks for a Pool C bid: Messiah, the winner of NYU-Brandeis, the losers of RIC/Keene St, Catholic/Hood, St Thomas/St. Johns, and at least one team from both the Amherst/Trinity and MissC/UMHB pairings.

I'm looking at 25 teams who have a Pool C bid if they need it (I know, that's more than 18 but there is no way that they all lose).

Guilford is in good shape but not a lock. Wittenberg is in trouble. Grinnell looks like a lost cause.

Rochester is in with a win (as is the NYU/Brandeis winner noted above). The NYU/Brandeis loser is still in the mix, between Guilford and Wittenberg.

Surprises at this late date? Could Loras and Husson get Pool C bids with a loss? Would McMurry make the tournament with an upset of MissC today? Does Elmhurst still have a chance with a loss to Augustana?