Pool C

[Mr. Ypsi]

Virgina Wesleyan was upset by Hampden-Sydney today.  An unexpected pool C 'lock', reducing the margin of error still further for all bubble teams.

[hugenerd]

As we start play today, I'm looking at about seven locks for a Pool C bid: Messiah, the winner of NYU-Brandeis, the losers of RIC/Keene St, Catholic/Hood, St Thomas/St. Johns, and at least one team from both the Amherst/Trinity and MissC/UMHB pairings.

I'm looking at 25 teams who have a Pool C bid if they need it (I know, that's more than 18 but there is no way that they all lose).

Guilford is in good shape but not a lock. Wittenberg is in trouble. Grinnell looks like a lost cause.

Rochester is in with a win (as is the NYU/Brandeis winner noted above). The NYU/Brandeis loser is still in the mix, between Guilford and Wittenberg.

Surprises at this late date? Could Loras and Husson get Pool C bids with a loss? Would McMurry make the tournament with an upset of MissC today? Does Elmhurst still have a chance with a loss to Augustana?

You forgot the loser of WashU/Chicago.

[pabegg]

As we start play today, I'm looking at about seven locks for a Pool C bid: Messiah, the winner of NYU-Brandeis, the losers of RIC/Keene St, Catholic/Hood, St Thomas/St. Johns, and at least one team from both the Amherst/Trinity and MissC/UMHB pairings.

I'm looking at 25 teams who have a Pool C bid if they need it (I know, that's more than 18 but there is no way that they all lose).

Guilford is in good shape but not a lock. Wittenberg is in trouble. Grinnell looks like a lost cause.

Rochester is in with a win (as is the NYU/Brandeis winner noted above). The NYU/Brandeis loser is still in the mix, between Guilford and Wittenberg.

Surprises at this late date? Could Loras and Husson get Pool C bids with a loss? Would McMurry make the tournament with an upset of MissC today? Does Elmhurst still have a chance with a loss to Augustana?

You forgot the loser of WashU/Chicago.

Go figure. I'm a WashU alum, so I have no excuse for missing that one.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Bubble teams just dodged a bullet in the AMCC - Penn State-Behrend led Lake Erie the whole game, but Lake Erie pulled in out by 1 in the final seconds.

However, UMHB just lost to HSU - haven't yet checked if UMHB is a 'lock', and even if so may not have been an unexpected pool C loss since that is the same conference as Miss Col.

[Greek Tragedy]

Men’s Basketball
The first record listed is the overall record, followed by record in regional games, through Sunday, Feb. 18, 2007. These are the last rankings we’ll see before they select teams. Teams in BOLD are Pool A candidates, unless already noted.

There may be some mistakes, due to updated games and my inability to remember every Pool B team in contention! lol

Feel free to "quote" and update it.

I'm headed to Point for the WIAC Final

Atlantic Region
1. Stevens 20-5 20-5 (LOST in Skyline Semis)
2. Ramapo 18-7 17-5 (won NJAC AQ)
3. Manhattanville 20-5 19-5 (plays SUNY-Old Westbury in Skyline Final)
4. New Jersey City 17-8 16-7 (LOST to Ramapo in NJAC Final)
5. Rowan 20-5 15-5  (LOST to Ramapo in NJAC Semis)

East Region
1. Brockport State 21-4 20-4 (plays Plattsburgh State in SUNYAC Final)
2. St. John Fisher 20-5 19-5 (plays Utica in Empire 8 Final)
3. St. Lawrence 20-5 19-5 (Won Liberty League AQ)
4. New York U. 19-5 18-5 (lost to Brandeis, needs a Pool C)
5 Rochester 17-7 17-6 (beat Carnegie Mellon, still needs a Pool C)

Great Lakes Region
1. Lake Erie 23-2 19- (Won AMCC AQ)
2. Wooster 22-3 17-2 (plays Ohio Wesleyan in NCAC Final)
3. John Carroll 17-8 16-6 (plays Capital in OAC Final)
4. Hope 21-3 14-3 (plays Calvin in MIAA Final)
5. Ohio Northern 19-6 14-6 (LOST to Otterbein in OAC Quarters)
6. Wittenberg 21-4 16-4 (LOST to Ohio Wesleyan in NCAC Semis)

Middle Atlantic Region
1. Johns Hopkins 21-4 20-3 (plays Gettysburg in Centennial Semis)
2. Messiah 19-5 16-3 (LOST to Widener in MAC-Commonwealth Semis)
3. Alvernia 21-4 20-2 (Won PnAC AQ)
4. Lincoln (Pa.) 16-7 11-3-IND:  POOL B
5. Catholic 19-5 18-5 (plays Hood in CAC Final)
6. Hood 19-6 18-5 (plays Catholic in CAC Final)
7. King’s (Pa.) 17-8 17-7 (plays DeSales in MAC-Freedom Final)
8. Scranton 19-6 17-6 (LOST to DeSales in MAC-Freedom Semis)

Midwest Region
1. Chicago 20-4 19-4 (LOST to Washington U.)
2. Augustana 20-5 20-4 (plays Elmhurst in CCIW Final)
3. Washington U. 19-4 17-4 (defeats Chicago in UAA, gets UAA AQ)
4. Aurora 23-2 22-2 (plays Edgewood in NathCon Final:  POOL B
5. Elmhurst 19-5 15-5 (plays Augustana in CCIW Final)
6. Carthage 16-8 13-7 ([Reg. season complete, did not make CCIW tourney)
7. Grinnell 17-6 16-6 (LOST to Lake Forest in MWC Semis)
8. Wheaton (Ill.) 16-8 12-7 (LOST to Elmhurst in CCIW Semis)

Northeast Region
1. Amherst 24-1 23-1 (plays Williams in NESCAC Final)
2. Salem State 22-2 22-2 (Won MASCAC AQ)
3. Trinity (Conn.) 21-4 17-4 (LOST to Williams in NESCAC Semis)
4. WPI 21-2 19-2 (plays Coast Guard in NEWMAC Final)
5. Rhode Island 21-3 21-3 (plays Keene State in LEC Final)
6. Keene State 21-4 18-4 (plays Rhode Island in LEC Final)
7. Brandeis 18-6 18-6 (defeated NYU, still needs a Pool C)
8. Bates 18-7 17-7 (LOST to Amherst in NESCAC Quarters)
9. Husson 20-5 20-3 (LOST to Elms in NAC Final)
10. Western New England 18-7 18-7 (LOST to Emmanuel in GNAC Semis)

South Region
1. Mississippi College 23-2 21-1 (plays Hardin-Simmons in ASC Final)
2. Va. Wesleyan 22-3 21-3 (LOST to Hampden-Sydney in ODAC Semis)
3. Guilford 21-3 20-3 (LOST to Bridgewater (Va) in ODAC Quarters)
4. DePauw 21-4 18-3 (plays Trinity (TX) in SCAC Semis)
5. Mary Hardin-Baylor 21-4 21-4 (LOST to Hardin-Simmons in ASC Semis)
6. Maryville (Tenn.) 19-6 19-3 (playing LaGrange in GSAC Final)-POOL B
7. Centre 20-4 14-4 (plays Millsaps in SCAC Semis)
8. McMurry 20-6 19-4 (lost to Mississippi College in ASC Semis)

West Region
1. UW-Stevens Point 22-2 21-1 (plays La Crosse in WIAC Final)
2. St. Thomas 22-3 22-3 (plays St. John's in MIAC Final)
3. St. John’s 19-6 19-3 (plays St. Thomas in MIAC Final)
4. UW-Oshkosh 20-5 17-5 (LOST to La Crosse in WIAC Semis)
5. Occidental 17-5 12-3 (Won SCIAC AQ)
6. Whitworth 22-3 19-3 (plays Lewis and Clark in NWC Final)
7. Loras 19-6 17-4 (plays Buena Vista in IIAC Final)
8. UW-La Crosse 17-7 15-6 (plays Stevens Point in WIAC Final)

[Hoaf]

St. Lawrence won the LL by 1 over Hamilton. Do you think Hamilton has a shot with a 19-6 record and (16-6) record in the region. I believe they were 46th overall in the previous regional ranking.

Thoughts?

[pg04]

Bubble Buster in East, Brockport State falls to Plattsburgh in SUNYAC final, most likely taking a Pool C spot...  This pretty much eliminates whatever chance Hamilton might have had too. 

[Gregory Sager]

St. Lawrence won the LL by 1 over Hamilton. Do you think Hamilton has a shot with a 19-6 record and (16-6) record in the region. I believe they were 46th overall in the previous regional ranking.

Thoughts?

With a final QOWI of 9.630 and a RW% of .720, Ham Tech looks like a goner. Sorry, Hoaf.

Bubble Buster in East, Brockport State falls to Plattsburgh in SUNYAC final, most likely taking a Pool C spot...  This pretty much eliminates whatever chance Hamilton might have had too. 

No, since Pool C bids are apportioned nationally rather than regionally, the SUNYAC final doesn't specifically eliminate Hamilton. In incremental terms it does hurt Hamilton in that Brockport State will clearly get a Pool C berth, and thus B'port's loss shoves one more bubble team out the door of the plane without a parachute. But that means that Elmhurst, Guilford, UW-Oshkosh, etc., are hurt by the Cardinals' win in the SUNYAC final just as much as are the Conts.

Brockport State gets to the East Region's seat at the Pool C table in the smoke-filled room earlier than does Hamilton, but it won't effectively make any difference, inasmuch as those other bubble teams from the other regions don't have the numbers to outduel B'port for that specific Pool C spot, either.

[pg04]

St. Lawrence won the LL by 1 over Hamilton. Do you think Hamilton has a shot with a 19-6 record and (16-6) record in the region. I believe they were 46th overall in the previous regional ranking.

Thoughts?

With a final QOWI of 9.630 and a RW% of .720, Ham Tech looks like a goner. Sorry, Hoaf.

Bubble Buster in East, Brockport State falls to Plattsburgh in SUNYAC final, most likely taking a Pool C spot...  This pretty much eliminates whatever chance Hamilton might have had too. 

No, since Pool C bids are apportioned nationally rather than regionally, the SUNYAC final doesn't specifically eliminate Hamilton. In incremental terms it does hurt Hamilton in that Brockport State will clearly get a Pool C berth, and thus B'port's loss shoves one more bubble team out the door of the plane without a parachute. But that means that Elmhurst, Guilford, UW-Oshkosh, etc., are hurt by the Cardinals' win in the SUNYAC final just as much as are the Conts.

Brockport State gets to the East Region's seat at the Pool C table in the smoke-filled room earlier than does Hamilton, but it won't effectively make any difference, inasmuch as those other bubble teams from the other regions don't have the numbers to outduel B'port for that specific Pool C spot, either.

good point, and I didn't know the Hamilton QOWI either so they probably would have had trouble either way...Plus even if it had come down to the two, Port had a decisive victory over hamilton earlier in the year.

[Gregory Sager]

Wash U beat Chicago, so the Maroons are a Pool C lock.

Averett narrowly avoided having to garner a Pool C bid themselves, as the Cougars outlasted NC Wesleyan in double overtime.

[diehardfan]

Wash U beat Chicago, so the Maroons are a Pool C lock.

Averett narrowly avoided having to garner a Pool C bid themselves, as the Cougars outlasted NC Wesleyan in double overtime.

was averett even a pool c contender? they aren't regionally ranked...

[hugenerd]

Wash U beat Chicago, so the Maroons are a Pool C lock.

Averett narrowly avoided having to garner a Pool C bid themselves, as the Cougars outlasted NC Wesleyan in double overtime.

In the UAA, in addition to WashU being a Pool A qualifier and Chicago most likely being a pool C lock, Brandeis and Rochester both won.  Brandeis' win at NYU is a 15 point QOWI win and puts their overall QOWI around 10.32.  Rochesters win at home versus CMU is a 12 point QOWI win and puts their overall QOWI around 10.292.  Comparing these figures to the last QOWI report, both of these teams could be in the top 20 in the country in QOWI .   The UAA could get 4 teams in.

[diehardfan]

I am editing the post by Old School as I get scores, just and FYI to those who haven't noticed

[Gregory Sager]

Wash U beat Chicago, so the Maroons are a Pool C lock.

Averett narrowly avoided having to garner a Pool C bid themselves, as the Cougars outlasted NC Wesleyan in double overtime.

was averett even a pool c contender? they aren't regionally ranked...

Hence, the words "having to".

[diehardfan]

Wash U beat Chicago, so the Maroons are a Pool C lock.

Averett narrowly avoided having to garner a Pool C bid themselves, as the Cougars outlasted NC Wesleyan in double overtime.

was averett even a pool c contender? they aren't regionally ranked...

Hence, the words "having to".

I see, and that would be with what? Their mafia connections?