Pool C

[Gregory Sager]

Hope looks somewhat iffy to me. The problem with the Dutch is that they play so few regional games that a single loss can really hurt them. The drop from 16-3 to 16-4 makes their corresponding RW% plunge a steep one, from .842 to .800.

I've got Hope's QOWI at 9.900. According to Pat's numbers, they went into the MIAA title game with a QOWI of 10.105, and the loss is worth only six points.

[Ralph Turner]

Trinity is beating DePauw by 10, and DPU has lost Tony James to his hamstring.  TU 51-41 11:25 left

[diehardfan]

so it's on the most current page, and it has been updated thru Saturday's games!

Atlantic Region
1. Stevens 20-5 20-5 (LOST in Skyline Semis)
2. Ramapo 18-7 17-5 (Won NJAC AQ)
3. Manhattanville 20-5 19-5 (Won Skyline AQ)
4. New Jersey City 17-8 16-7 (LOST to Ramapo in NJAC Final)
5. Rowan 20-5 15-5  (LOST to Ramapo in NJAC Semis)

East Region
1. Brockport State 21-4 20-4 (LOST to Plattsburgh State in SUNYAC Final)
2. St. John Fisher 20-5 19-5 (Won Empire 8 AQ)
3. St. Lawrence 20-5 19-5 (Won Liberty League AQ)
4. New York U. 19-5 18-5 (lost to Brandeis, needs a Pool C)
5 Rochester 17-7 17-6 (beat Carnegie Mellon, still needs a Pool C)

Great Lakes Region
1. Lake Erie 23-2 19- (Won AMCC AQ)
2. Wooster 23-3 18-2 (Won NCAC AQ)
3. John Carroll 17-8 16-6 (LOST to Capital in OAC Final)
4. Hope 21-4 14-4 (LOST to Calvin in MIAA Final)
5. Ohio Northern 19-6 14-6 (LOST to Otterbein in OAC Quarters)
6. Wittenberg 21-4 16-4 (LOST to Ohio Wesleyan in NCAC Semis)

Middle Atlantic Region
1. Johns Hopkins 21-4 20-3 (plays Haverford in Centennial Finals)
2. Messiah 19-5 16-3 (LOST to Widener in MAC-Commonwealth Semis)
3. Alvernia 21-4 20-2 (Won PnAC AQ)
4. Lincoln (Pa.) 16-7 11-3-IND:  POOL B
5. Catholic 19-5 18-5 (Won CAC AQ)
6. Hood 19-6 18-5 (LOST to Catholic in CAC Final)
7. King's (Pa.) 17-8 17-7 (Won MAC-Freedom AQ)
8. Scranton 19-6 17-6 (LOST to DeSales in MAC-Freedom Semis)

Midwest Region
1. Chicago 20-4 19-4 (LOST to Washington U.)
2. Augustana 20-5 20-4 (Won CCIW AQl)
3. Washington U. 19-4 17-4 (defeats Chicago in UAA, gets UAA AQ)
4. Aurora 23-2 22-2 (plays Edgewood in NathCon Final:  POOL B
5. Elmhurst 19-5 15-5 (LOST in Augustana in CCIW Final)
6. Carthage 16-8 13-7 ([Reg. season complete, did not make CCIW tourney)
7. Grinnell 17-6 16-6 (LOST to Lake Forest in MWC Semis)
8. Wheaton (Ill.) 16-8 12-7 (LOST to Elmhurst in CCIW Semis)

Northeast Region
1. Amherst 24-1 23-1 (plays Williams in NESCAC Final)
2. Salem State 22-2 22-2 (Won MASCAC AQ)
3. Trinity (Conn.) 21-4 17-4 (LOST to Williams in NESCAC Semis)
4. WPI 21-2 19-2 (plays Coast Guard in NEWMAC Final)
5. Rhode Island 21-3 21-3 (Won LEC AQ)
6. Keene State 21-4 18-4 (LOST to Rhode Island in LEC Final)
7. Brandeis 18-6 18-6 (defeated NYU, still needs a Pool C)
8. Bates 18-7 17-7 (LOST to Amherst in NESCAC Quarters)
9. Husson 20-5 20-3 (LOST to Elms in NAC Final)
10. Western New England 18-7 18-7 (LOST to Emmanuel in GNAC Semis)

South Region
1. Mississippi College 23-2 21-1 (plays Hardin-Simmons in ASC Final)
2. Va. Wesleyan 22-3 21-3 (LOST to Hampden-Sydney in ODAC Semis)
3. Guilford 21-3 20-3 (LOST to Bridgewater (Va) in ODAC Quarters)
4. DePauw 21-4 18-3 (LOST to Trinity (TX) in SCAC Semis)
5. Mary Hardin-Baylor 21-4 21-4 (LOST to Hardin-Simmons in ASC Semis;a 5-pt QOWI loss)
6. Maryville (Tenn.) 19-6 19-3 (defeated LaGrange in GSAC Final)-POOL B
7. Centre 20-4 14-4 (defeated Millsaps in SCAC Semis)
8. McMurry 20-6 19-4 (LOST to Mississippi College in ASC Semis)

West Region
1. UW-Stevens Point 23-2 22-1 (Won WIAC AQ)
2. St. Thomas 22-3 22-3 (Won MIAC AQ)
3. St. John's 19-6 19-3 (LOST to St. Thomas in MIAC Final)
4. UW-Oshkosh 20-5 17-5 (LOST to La Crosse in WIAC Semis)
5. Occidental 17-5 12-3 (Won SCIAC AQ)
6. Whitworth 22-3 19-3 (Won NWC AQ)
7. Loras 19-6 17-4 (Won IIAC AQ)
8. UW-La Crosse 17-8 15-7 (LOST to Stevens Point in WIAC Final)

[diehardfan]

point beats la crosse... that saves one pool C...

[Mr. Ypsi]

DCH,

I responded over on the MIAA board.  The 23-4, alas, is irrelevant - in the eyes of the selection committee they went 16-4.  Still a winning % of .800 and a QOWI of 9.900 (198/20) should be pretty safe barring a huge number of further upsets.

BTW, pool C is not by region, so Hope and JCU are competing against EVERYONE, not just each other.

[ChicagoHopeNut]

point beats la crosse... that saves one pool C...

Thank goodness!!! Crossing my fingers for Hope.

Thanks for the info on the Pool C's. I find that whole Hope is just 16-4 not 23-4 to be such a silly way of figuring this out but it is what it is.

[Ralph Turner]

Trinity is leading 61-49 over DePauw with 5:49 left.

[Gregory Sager]

A DePauw loss would leave them with a 9.913 QOWI and an .826 RW%. Those are pretty decent Pool C numbers.

Elmhurst is creeping up on Augie in the second half. An Augie loss puts them at an even 10 in the QOWI game, with an .808 RW%. Factor in their win over Wash U, and their current #2 rank in the Midwest, and you have to figure that they're going dancing with a Pool C bid.

[Ralph Turner]

We ASC teams need Trinity to beat Centre tomorrow.

Would SCAC Champion Trinity move into the Regional Rankings?  McMurry beat Trinity in December.

[Ralph Turner]

Trinity 75, DPU 72 with 0:04 left.  TU throwing in.

DPU forces TU to take a time out on the in-bounds play.

Trinity 77, DPU 72. Final.

[Gregory Sager]

UST 75
SJU 49

final

I calculate St. John's QOWI as 10.250 and the RW% of the Johnnies as .833. They're going to be almost at the head of the line when the Pool C tickets are handed out tomorrow.

[diehardfan]

augie won too.... there's another pool C safe, I just don't see elmhurst getting one, unfortunately

[re.frank]

Do regional records reflect conference playoff games?

What are the primary criteria for Pool C bids?

Thanks, R

[diehardfan]

yes they do, and read the FAQs about the tournament found on this site:

http://d3hoops.com/faq.php?category=NCAA%20Tournament

[Ralph Turner]

QOWI was updated at 02:36 am CST on Saturday February 24th.  Pool A = Bold;  Top 4 Pool B are in Italics.  (Corrections appreciated.)

Overall   QOWI   In reg.   Team   Reg. rec.   Overall
1   11.625   1   Amherst   0.958 (23-1)   24-1
2   11.583   1   UW-Stevens Point   0.958 (23-1)   24-2
3   10.950   2   Trinity (Conn.)   0.850 (17-3)   21-3
4   10.810   3   Worcester Polytech   0.905 (19-2)   21-2
5   10.696   1   Chicago   0.818 (18-4)   20-4
6   10.692   2   St. Thomas   0.885 (23-3)   23-3
7   10.667   1   Lake Erie   0.952 (20-1)   24-2
8   10.600   4   Salem State   0.920 (23-2)   23-2
9   10.577   5   Rhode Island College   0.885 (23-3)   23-3
10   10.480   1   Ramapo   0.800 (20-5)   21-7
11   10.476   2   Washington U.   0.810 (17-4)   19-4
12   10.462   1   Brockport State   0.846 (22-4)   23-4
13   10.455   1   Mississippi College   0.955 (21-1)   23-2
14   10.412   3   Occidental   0.824 (14-3)   19-5
15   10.400   2   St. Lawrence   0.800 (20-5)   21-5
16   10.400   2   Virginia Wesleyan   0.880 (22-3)   23-3
17   10.391   4   St. John's   0.870 (20-3)   20-6
18   10.320   3   Aurora   0.920 (23-2)   24-2
19   10.280   3   St. John Fisher   0.800 (20-5)   21-5
20   10.250   6   Keene State   0.833 (20-4)   23-4
21   10.217   4   Rochester   0.739 (17-6)   17-7
22   10.200   1   Messiah   0.800 (16-4)   19-6
23   10.182   3   DePauw   0.864 (19-3)   22-4
24   10.174   2   Johns Hopkins   0.864 (19-3)   21-4
25   10.167   2   John Carroll   0.750 (18-6)   19-8
26   10.160   4   Augustana   0.840 (21-4)   21-5
27   10.143   3   Lincoln   0.786 (11-3)   18-7
28   10.125   7   Brandeis   0.750 (18-6)   18-6
29   10.105   3   Hope   0.842 (16-3)   23-3
30   10.080   4   Catholic   0.800 (20-5)   21-5
31   10.000   4   Wooster   0.905 (19-2)   24-3
32   10.000   5   Loras   0.818 (18-4)   20-6
33   9.960   5   Hood   0.800 (20-5)   21-6
34   9.947   4   Centre   0.789 (15-4)   21-4
35   9.923   5   Mary Hardin-Baylor   0.846 (22-4)   22-4
36   9.917   6   UW-Oshkosh   0.750 (18-6)   21-6
37   9.913   7   UW-La Crosse   0.739 (17-6)   19-7
38   9.909   8   Whitworth   0.864 (19-3)   22-3
39   9.870   5   New York University   0.783 (18-5)   19-5
40   9.864   6   Hamilton   0.727 (16-6)   19-6
41   9.857   6   Averett   0.810 (17-4)   19-6
42   9.826   7   Maryville (Tenn.)   0.870 (20-3)   20-6
43   9.800   6   King's   0.720 (18-7)   18-8
44   9.778   9   Lewis and Clark   0.778 (14-4)   19-6
45   9.760   8   Husson   0.880 (22-3)   22-5
46   9.750   7   Alvernia   0.917 (22-2)   23-4
47   9.741   2   Stevens   0.778 (21-6)   21-6
48   9.731   3   Manhattanville   0.808 (21-5)   22-5
49   9.708   9   Bates   0.708 (17-7)   18-7
50   9.708   8   Scranton   0.708 (17-7)   19-7
51   9.696   8   McMurry   0.826 (19-4)   20-6
52   9.625   9   Guilford   0.833 (20-4)   21-4
53   9.619   5   Ohio Northern   0.667 (14-7)   19-7
54   9.591   5   Elmhurst   0.773 (17-5)   21-5
55   9.565   9   DeSales   0.739 (17-6)   19-7
56   9.520   4   New Jersey City   0.680 (17-8)   18-9
57   9.500   7   Utica   0.750 (18-6)   19-6
58   9.450   6   Westminster (Pa.)   0.800 (16-4)   18-8
59   9.364   8   Plattsburgh State   0.727 (16-6)   19-8
60   9.364   7   Wittenberg   0.773 (17-5)   22-5
61   9.360   10   Tufts   0.600 (15-10)   15-10
62   9.308   8   Capital   0.692 (18-8)   18-8
63   9.292   9   Penn State-Behrend   0.750 (18-6)   19-6
64   9.261   10   Villa Julie   0.739 (17-6)   19-7
65   9.261   11   FDU-Florham   0.609 (14-9)   17-9
66   9.261   6   Grinnell   0.696 (16-7)   17-7
67   9.238   5   Richard Stockton   0.667 (14-7)   17-9
68   9.235   10   Redlands   0.765 (13-4)   17-7
69   9.200   10   Millsaps   0.750 (15-5)   18-8
70   9.190   11   Colby   0.667 (14-7)   15-10
71   9.190   7   Wheaton (Ill.)   0.619 (13-8)   17-9
72   9.148   11   UW-Whitewater   0.667 (18-9)   18-9
73   9.143   6   Rowan   0.714 (15-6)   20-6
74   9.143   8   Carthage   0.619 (13-8)   16-9
75   9.111   12   Western New England   0.704 (19-8)   19-8
76   9.091   10   Baldwin-Wallace   0.682 (15-7)   18-9
77   9.091   9   Carroll   0.682 (15-7)   15-8
78   9.083   12   Susquehanna   0.583 (14-10)   16-10
79   9.080   13   Bridgewater State   0.680 (17-8)   17-8
80   9.080   10   Transylvania   0.680 (17-8)   18-8
81   9.045   13   Juniata   0.682 (15-7)   16-10
82   9.043   7   SUNY-Old Westbury   0.652 (15-8)   18-9
83   9.000   14   Babson   0.600 (15-10)   16-10
84   9.000   8   SUNY-Farmingdale   0.667 (16-8)   18-9
85   9.000   14   Chestnut Hill   0.750 (15-5)   19-8
86   9.000   11   Otterbein   0.600 (15-10)   16-11
87   9.000   12   Pomona-Pitzer   0.688 (11-5)   16-8
88   8.962   15   Elms   0.692 (18-8)   19-8
89   8.962   15   York (Pa.)   0.615 (16-10)   16-10
90   8.958   9   William Paterson   0.625 (15-9)   15-10
91   8.955   16   Ursinus   0.682 (15-7)   16-9
92   8.952   13   Puget Sound   0.714 (15-6)   18-7
93   8.952   14   Buena Vista   0.667 (14-7)   17-8
94   8.952   15   Cal Lutheran   0.619 (13-8)   17-8
95   8.950   12   Carnegie Mellon   0.524 (11-10)   12-11
96   8.880   16   Coe   0.680 (17-8)   19-8
97   8.857   11   Bluffton   0.619 (13-8)   18-8
98   8.833   12   Edgewood   0.708 (17-7)   18-7
99   8.826   11   Greensboro   0.739 (17-6)   20-7
100   8.789   13   Calvin   0.684 (13-6)   17-9
101   8.789   13   North Central   0.579 (11-8)   16-10
102   8.783   14   Ohio Wesleyan   0.652 (15-8)   18-9
103   8.783   17   Simpson   0.609 (14-9)   18-9
104   8.760   10   Rutgers-Newark   0.600 (15-10)   17-10
105   8.750   16   Westfield State   0.625 (15-9)   17-10
106   8.750   17   Mary Washington   0.625 (15-9)   16-10
107   8.739   14   Lake Forest   0.609 (14-9)   15-9
108   8.704   17   Lasell   0.593 (16-11)   16-11
109   8.696   18   Williams   0.565 (13-10)   14-11
110   8.680   9   Clarkson   0.560 (14-11)   14-11
111   8.667   19   Gordon   0.667 (16-8)   19-8
112   8.667   10   Geneseo State   0.583 (14-10)   15-11
113   8.652   11   Vassar   0.609 (14-9)   15-10
114   8.640   18   Bethel   0.680 (17-8)   18-8
115   8.630   15   Dominican   0.630 (17-10)   17-10
116   8.625   12   Oswego State   0.583 (14-10)   15-12
117   8.609   18   Baptist Bible   0.696 (16-7)   18-8
118   8.600   20   Middlebury   0.600 (15-10)   15-10
119   8.591   16   Defiance   0.636 (14-8)   17-8
120   8.583   12   Texas-Dallas   0.667 (16-8)   18-8
121   8.545   15   Bethany   0.682 (15-7)   19-8
122   8.500   11   York (N.Y.)   0.708 (17-7)   18-10
123   8.500   19   Haverford   0.600 (12-8)   13-11
124   8.500   13   Trinity (Texas)   0.591 (13-9)   15-11
125   8.462   20   St. Mary's (Md.)   0.577 (15-11)   16-11
126   8.458   13   Rochester Tech   0.542 (13-11)   14-12
127   8.440   21   Mass-Dartmouth   0.560 (14-11)   14-13
128   8.423   22   Endicott   0.577 (15-11)   15-11
129   8.381   17   Mt. St. Joseph   0.571 (12-9)   13-12
130   8.364   14   Ithaca   0.545 (12-10)   14-12
131   8.364   18   Ripon   0.545 (12-10)   13-10
132   8.353   19   Claremont-Mudd-Scripps   0.588 (10-7)   15-10
133   8.333   23   Bowdoin   0.583 (14-10)   15-10
134   8.333   15   SUNYIT   0.583 (14-10)   16-11
135   8.333   16   Tri-State   0.611 (11-7)   16-9
136   8.333   19   Hanover   0.571 (12-9)   14-11
137   8.320   12   St. Joseph's (L.I.)   0.640 (16-9)   17-9
138   8.318   20   Webster   0.591 (13-9)   16-10
139   8.304   24   Emerson   0.652 (15-8)   16-9
140   8.280   25   Rivier   0.720 (18-7)   19-8
141   8.238   21   Lawrence   0.524 (11-10)   13-10
142   8.208   22   Lakeland   0.583 (14-10)   16-11
143   8.200   23   Franklin   0.600 (15-10)   16-10
144   8.182   21   Wilkes   0.500 (11-11)   12-11
145   8.167   20   Chapman   0.722 (13-5)   20-5
146   8.160   26   MIT   0.520 (13-12)   14-12
147   8.158   24   Fontbonne   0.579 (11-8)   15-11
148   8.143   22   Lycoming   0.524 (11-10)   13-12
149   8.143   25   MacMurray   0.619 (13-8)   16-9
150   8.105   17   Albion   0.526 (10-9)   10-15
151   8.095   21   UW-Platteville   0.524 (11-10)   13-12
152   8.091   26   Manchester   0.545 (12-10)   15-10
153   8.077   14   Hardin-Simmons   0.577 (15-11)   15-11
154   8.056   27   St. Joseph's (Maine)   0.611 (11-7)   18-7
155   8.053   15   Hendrix   0.526 (10-9)   15-10
156   8.043   23   Lebanon Valley   0.522 (12-11)   14-11
157   8.042   24   Widener   0.500 (12-12)   13-12
158   8.000   28   Springfield   0.462 (12-14)   12-14
159   8.000   16   LaGrange   0.647 (11-6)   18-8
160   8.000   22   Gustavus Adolphus   0.538 (14-12)   14-13
161   7.962   29   Wentworth Tech   0.615 (16-10)   16-11
162   7.958   30   Western Connecticut   0.542 (13-11)   14-12
163   7.958   18   Heidelberg   0.500 (12-12)   13-13
164   7.955   31   Eastern Connecticut   0.545 (12-10)   15-11
165   7.952   17   Roanoke   0.619 (13-8)   16-10
166   7.917   16   RPI   0.500 (12-12)   13-12
167   7.917   27   Wisconsin Lutheran   0.583 (14-10)   15-11
168   7.913   18   LeTourneau   0.609 (14-9)   15-10
169   7.909   28   Eureka   0.591 (13-9)   16-9
170   7.900   25   Marymount   0.500 (10-10)   14-11
171   7.889   19   Adrian   0.556 (10-8)   10-15
172   7.889   23   Pacific   0.556 (10-8)   12-13
173   7.880   20   Wilmington   0.480 (12-13)   13-13
174   7.870   26   Gettysburg   0.565 (13-10)   13-12
175   7.864   24   Carleton   0.500 (11-11)   11-15
176   7.826   13   Kings Point   0.565 (13-10)   14-12
177   7.818   17   Union   0.500 (11-11)   11-14
178   7.808   32   Curry   0.577 (15-11)   15-12
179   7.773   18   Alfred   0.455 (10-12)   10-14
180   7.773   27   Albright   0.364 (8-14)   10-14
181   7.760   19   Oglethorpe   0.520 (13-12)   14-12
182   7.739   33   Emmanuel   0.478 (11-12)   12-15
183   7.739   29   North Park   0.478 (11-12)   13-12
184   7.727   19   Buffalo State   0.455 (10-12)   12-13
185   7.708   20   Hobart   0.417 (10-14)   11-14
186   7.696   20   Hampden-Sydney   0.565 (13-10)   16-10
187   7.667   21   Oneonta State   0.476 (10-11)   11-15
188   7.667   28   Pitt-Bradford   0.519 (14-13)   14-13
189   7.667   21   Grove City   0.524 (11-10)   15-12
190   7.650   14   Montclair State   0.400 (8-12)   12-12
191   7.609   22   Nazareth   0.435 (10-13)   11-14
192   7.609   29   Eastern   0.609 (14-9)   16-11
193   7.591   15   Kean   0.455 (10-12)   13-12
194   7.583   30   Moravian   0.458 (11-13)   11-14
195   7.577   25   St. Olaf   0.500 (13-13)   13-14
196   7.565   34   Castleton State   0.565 (13-10)   15-11
197   7.565   31   Gwynedd-Mercy   0.565 (13-10)   14-12
198   7.545   16   New Jersey   0.409 (9-13)   12-14
199   7.545   21   Southwestern   0.455 (10-12)   11-15
200   7.545   22   Emory   0.318 (7-15)   8-16