Pool C

[magicman]

pabegg

According to your rankings does that mean the top 10 teams in the country are:

1. Amherst
2. UM-Darthmout
3. Plattsburgh St.
4. Ursinus
5. Gettsburg
6. UofR
7. Occidental
8. Wash. U.
9. Lawrence
10. Capital

Or does the ranking signify something else?  And it certainly looks like you've put a TON of effort into this. Thanks, it's nice to have something more to look at  for comparison purposes.

Yes, that's the Top 10. But it's important to be clear what it's the Top 10 for.

Those are not the "ten best" teams in the country. Those are the "ten best" teams in an approximation of the rating system that will be used for the tournament. In addition, this does not take into account the other parts of the tournament rating, such as head-to-head and record versus ranked teams.

And even that is subject to how the committee works. For example, they've traditionally tried to seed the top 16 spots using the top 2 teams in all regions (except for the Atlantic and sometimes the East, where only the top team gets seeded), which is especially important given the neutral-site opening rounds.

pabegg
Thank you for clearing that up. I thought that it was something like that just wasn't sure.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

OxyBob... if I remember correctly, UMBH's coach was complaining - rightly so - because UMHB was facing Mississippi College in the first round. That is a same conference (ASC) match-up in the first round. That is a no-no for the NCAA. They don't want same conference schools facing each other in the first round - as I am sure no one would!

So, I wouldn't say he was pitching a hissy fit - as you say - for no good reason!

[Ralph Turner]

As infrequently as the West coast hosts tourney games, you are making the case for Occidental to host a first round game this season, especially if UMHB earns the Pool A bid from the ASC, and Trinity TX or Southwestern does not win the SCAC.

Don't worry about it, Ralph. If it looks like Oxy might get a chance to host, then I'm sure the UMHB coach will whine and moan and pitch a hissy fit like he did last year and get the location changed to benefit UMHB.
OxyBob

Good evening, Bob.

Actually, I anticipate that UMHB plays one of the SCIAC teams.  I think that the SCIAC might get 2 teams in the tourney.

My problem last year is that UMHB should have played Oxy in the first round and have Maryville play Miss College.

As much power as Maryville Head Coach Randy Lambert is reported to have at the national level, it makes me think that he did not want to see his 8-year first-round victory winning streak come to an end at the hands of Mississippi College (against whom he has a losing record in the NCAA's).  It would not surprise me if he influenced the bracket, so he would play UMHB in the first round instead of Mississippi College.


Thanks for jumping in here, Dave McHugh! 

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

By the way, the NCAA admitted they made a mistake (as they also had with the number of Pool B bids) and made what was the only correct change they could.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Interesting thoughts Ralph... and glad to "jump" when ever needed (I think!).

[sac]

OxyBob... if I remember correctly, UMBH's coach was complaining - rightly so - because UMHB was facing Mississippi College in the first round. That is a same conference (ASC) match-up in the first round. That is a no-no for the NCAA. They don't want same conference schools facing each other in the first round - as I am sure no one would!

So, I wouldn't say he was pitching a hissy fit - as you say - for no good reason!

Ahh yes!  This was the "we didn't even know they were in the same conference" response from the committee.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Umm... yes!

[Gray Fox]

On a personal level, I'm hoping that UMHB hosts a SCIAC team.  The SCIAC now has a tournament and will probably eliminate one of the two possibilities by this shortsightedness.  If one of the lesser teams wins the tourney, UMHB will surely be hosting.  Save me a ticket.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

I don't see how his post back then... justified it. He was pointing out in what seemed like a sarcastic manner (thus the  ) that maybe Maryville wanted the change. He then pointed out why they probably wouldn't want to run into Miss Col. in the first round.

That being said, I am quite sure Maryville didn't point out the mistake. I am sure the NCAA saw the problem thanks in part to D3hoops.com and from the ASC members (Miss Col. and UMHB). I am sure Maryville never entered the equation. Probably too busy booking their travel.

[LogShow]

OxyBob... if I remember correctly, UMBH's coach was complaining - rightly so - because UMHB was facing Mississippi College in the first round. That is a same conference (ASC) match-up in the first round. That is a no-no for the NCAA. They don't want same conference schools facing each other in the first round - as I am sure no one would!

So, I wouldn't say he was pitching a hissy fit - as you say - for no good reason!

The NCAA squared up Clarmont and Oxy in 2005 in the first round were the winner's reward was a trip up to the pacific northwest to play Puget Sound.

[Ralph Turner]

My problem last year is that UMHB should have played Oxy in the first round and have Maryville play Miss College.

You had no problem with it. On the contrary, you were perfectly happy and justified it.
OxyBob

OxyBob, I don't read that as being happy that Oxy got the raw end of the deal.  I was more focused on the Maryville aspect of the story.

I deduce that UMHB was the #4 seed in the tourney by virtue of the fact that they were (1) originally scheduled to play the host and #1 seed, (2) and the visitor in the Maryville TN first round game.  I don't know if Oxy was the #2 or the #3 seed in the original bracket.  I don't think that I was concerned as to how the MissCollege bracket was seeded.  If Oxy was the #3 seed, then it is logical that they play #1 seed Miss College in the first round to avoid the intra-conference game.

Thanks, Dave! 

[Ralph Turner]

OxyBob... if I remember correctly, UMBH's coach was complaining - rightly so - because UMHB was facing Mississippi College in the first round. That is a same conference (ASC) match-up in the first round. That is a no-no for the NCAA. They don't want same conference schools facing each other in the first round - as I am sure no one would!

So, I wouldn't say he was pitching a hissy fit - as you say - for no good reason!

The NCAA squared up Clarmont and Oxy in 2005 in the first round were the winner's reward was a trip up to the pacific northwest to play Puget Sound.

Yes, that was in the 48-team bracket, the away-home-bye bracket.  It was logical to use the geographical proximity format.  Claremont and Oxy got playoff bids.  UPS got the bye and caught the winner in the second round.

I think that someone (Oxy) hosts the first round game in southern California.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

OxyBob... if I remember correctly, UMBH's coach was complaining - rightly so - because UMHB was facing Mississippi College in the first round. That is a same conference (ASC) match-up in the first round. That is a no-no for the NCAA. They don't want same conference schools facing each other in the first round - as I am sure no one would!

So, I wouldn't say he was pitching a hissy fit - as you say - for no good reason!

The NCAA squared up Clarmont and Oxy in 2005 in the first round were the winner's reward was a trip up to the pacific northwest to play Puget Sound.

Actually, it was in 06. Thanks to Pat for helping me find that!

[Pat Coleman]

Ralph -- don't worry about OB's posts. He's just become a grumpy old man over the past couple months.

[pabegg]

"Geographic proximity" (read number of flights) comes first. Not matching conference rivals comes second.

We're forgetting one thing, that Chapman is currently in position for a Pool B bid. In that case, it's highly likely that:

If Cal Lutheran makes it, CLU hosts Chapman, winner to Oxy (with bye).

If Cal Lutheran doesn't and Oxy holds onto hosting spot, then Oxy will host a group with Chapman, the NWC champion, and MHB.

If Cal Lutheran doesn't and Oxy can't hold onto hosting spot, then Oxy will host Chapman in the first round and then the winner will fly out somewhere (WashU or St. Thomas?) while MHB would get to host an all-flying group with the NWC champion.