Pool C

Cards7580 · February 17, 2008, 12:08:49 AM

Plattsburgh State was 9-1 in their league during the 1975-76 season but something like 12-17 overall. They ended up in the final 4 (4th place) to everyone's surprise. In 1978-89 season they were 18-8 but lost a tie-breaker to Potsdam for an NCAA Bid and didn't get in. Despite victories over Division I Vermont, Albany, Oneonta, a strong Norwich team and two close loses to Division I teams Hartwick and NY Tech.

magicman · February 17, 2008, 01:10:00 AM

Quote from: Cards7580 on February 17, 2008, 12:04:34 AM

i believe Vermont beat Syracuse one year and Didn't Siena come close another year. And who can forget any time Princeton has played. Anything is possible once you get in.

Siena a #14 seed did beat Stanford a #3 seed about 15 years ago when Mike Deane was their coach. They played Minnesota in their next game and lost a close one in their attempt to get to the sweet sixteen. And around that same time frame give or take a few years, a #15 Richmond Spiders beat a # 2 Syracuse, still the biggest upset in Divsion 1 as no #16 seed has ever beaten a #1. Vermont did beat Syracuse a couple of years ago as a #13 seed (I think). UVM Coach Tom Brennan, now an ESPN college hoop analyst, retired on that high note of his coaching career.

magicman · February 17, 2008, 01:30:25 AM

Ralph, pabegg, and Gregory,

Thank you for the detailed information concerning the D3 NCAA selection process. It certainly cleared up questions that I didn't know the answers to. Should be required reading for everyone who posts on the hoops boards.

Greek Tragedy · February 17, 2008, 01:37:05 PM

Here are Wednesday's regional rankings (I left everything "As Is", so if there was a change in conference leaders, the Pool A and Pool C teams are from Wednesday's release). This should give posters & lurkers an overall look on how other teams faired and if it helped or hurt their team.

BOLD is conference leader (Pool A)
RED is Pool C Contender
BLUE is Pool B contender...may need some help on those!

Atlantic Region
1. Richard Stockton 15-5 15-4 (NJAC): LOST at Rutgers-Camden 87-74, def. New Jersey 83-72.
2. William Paterson 16-4 16-4 (NJAC): LOST to Montclair State 69-61, won at New Jersey City 61-53.
3. Farmingdale State 16-4 15-3 (SKY): Won at New York City Tech 104-59, def. Bard 105-66, def. Mount St. Mary 92-60.
4. York (N.Y.) 17-7 15-6 (CUNYAC) (tied with Brooklyn): def. Ramapo 72-66, def. Lehman 59-54 (REGULAR SEASON COMPLETE)
5. St. Joseph's (L.I.) 16-5 15-5 (SKY): Won at Mount St. Vincent 112-108, won at SUNY-Purchase 74-59.

East Region
1. Rochester 17-3 16-3 (UAA): LOST at Brandeis 68-64, LOST at NYU 92-85 2OT.
2. Plattsburgh State 19-2 16-0 (SUNYAC): def. New Paltz State 87-68, def. Oneonta State 83-59.
3. Brockport State 16-6 13-4 (SUNYAC): Def. Buffalo State 89-73, def. Fredonia State 86-69.
4. Stevens 19-3 17-2 (Empire 8 ): Def. Hunter 69-55, LOST at Utica 65-59.
5. Nazareth 15-5 15-5 (Empire 8 ): Won at Alfred 88-73, LOST to Utica 85-77, def. Harwick 90-61.

Great Lakes
1. Capital 18-3 17-3 (OAC): Won at Mount Union 80-68, def. Ohio Northern 83-75.
2. Wooster 18-3 11-2 (NCAC): Won at Denison 82-64, def. Wittenberg 66-61.
3. Hope 17-3 10-2 (MIAA): Won at Adrian 70-48, def. Alma 92-43.
4. Ohio Wesleyan 14-6 13-4 (NCAC): Won at Wittenberg 72-69, LOST at Earlhman 79-73.
5. Heidelberg 16-5 14-4 (OAC): Won at John Carroll 82-74, LOST to Otterbein 81-66
6. Penn State-Behrend 17-4 15-3 (AMCC) (tied with Lake Erie): Def. Medaille 71-61, def. La Roche 69-61.

Middle Atlantic Region
1. Ursinus 19-2 16-1 (Centennial): Won at Franklin and Marshall 77-60, won at Dickinson 88-62.
2. Gettysburg 17-3 15-2 (Centennial): Won at Johns Hopkins 67-56, def. Swarthmore 69-55.
3. Widener 17-4 14-3 (MAC Commonwealth): Def. Lebanon Valley 58-44, won at Messiah 75-62.
4. Messiah 15-6 14-5 (MAC Commonwealth) (tied with Albright and Lycoming): LOST at Lycoming 75-53, LOST to Widener 75-62.
5. DeSales 17-4 14-3 (MAC Freedom) (tied with Manhattanville): Won at Delaware Valley 78-63, def. FDU-Florham 75-47.
6. Albright 14-5 14-4 (MAC Commonwealth) (tied with Messiah and Lycoming): LOST at Elizabethtown 79-75, LOST to Lycoming 75-73.
7. York (Pa.) 16-6 16-5 (CAC): Def. Wesley 84-77.
8. Moravian 17-5 16-5 (LAND) (Pool B): Won at Goucher 78-71, LOST at Catholic 85-79.

Midwest Region
1. Augustana 17-4 16-4 (CCIW): LOST at Wheaton (IL) 73-60, won at Millikin 59-56.
2. Washington U. 16-4 13-3 (UAA): Won at Case Western Reserve 71-68, won at Emory 78-71 in OT.
3. Lawrence 16-2 14-2 (MWC): Won at Ripon 87-83, def. Beloit 72-48.
4. Wheaton (Ill.) 16-5 12-5 (CCIW): Def. Augustana 73-60, LOST to Illinois Wesleyan 61-59.
5. Chicago 13-7 12-7 (UAA): Won at Emory 87-73, won at Case Western Reserve 84-56.
6. Illinois Wesleyan 13-8 12-6 (CCIW): Def. Millikin 95-52, won at Wheaton (IL) 61-59.
7. Carroll 14-5 13-5 (MWC): LOST at St. Norbert 69-59.
8. Webster 15-5 13-5 (SLIAC): Def. Greenville 82-64, won at MacMurray 83-72.

Northeast Region
1. Amherst 21-2 21-1 (NESCAC): Def. Trinity (Conn.) 69-58.
2. Mass-Dartmouth 20-1 20-1 (LEC) (Tied with Rhode Island College): LOST to Rhode Island College 79-72, won at Eastern Connecticut 80-76.
3. Bowdoin 18-4 18-4 (NESCAC): Def. Tufts 71-66, LOST to Bates 65-62.
4. Trinity (Conn.) 18-5 16-4 (NESCAC): LOST at Amherst 69-58.
5. Middlebury 17-5 16-4 (NESCAC): Def. Wesleyan 75-71, LOST to Connecticut College 93-86.
6. Brandeis 16-4 15-4 (UAA): Def. Rochester 68-64, def. Carnegie Mellon 84-81.
7. Worcester Tech 16-5 15-4 (NEWMAC): Def. Springfield 70-68, Def. MIT 81-46.
8. Rhode Island College 16-5 16-5 (LEC) (Tied with Mass-Dartmouth): Won at Mass-Dortmouth 79-72, def. Southern Maine 79-72.
9. Emerson 18-3 17-3 (GNAC): Won at Mount Ida 88-70, won at Rivier 72-70 OT
10. Bates 15-6 14-5 (NESCAC): LOST at Colby 68-65, won at Bowdoin 65-62.

South Region
1. Centre 20-1 15-1 (SCAC): Won at DePauw 69-66.
2. Mary Hardin-Baylor 18-3 16-2 (ASC): Won at Howard Payne 71-68, won at Sul Ross State 78-58.
3. Guilford 16-4 15-4 (ODAC): Won at Hampden-Sydney 78-71, def. Bridgewater (Va.) 77-69. Def. Eastern Mennonite, 100-93.
4. Maryville (Tenn.) 20-2 14-2 (GSAC): Won at Huntingdon 69-61.
5. Virginia Wesleyan 17-5 16-4 (ODAC): Won at Eastern Mennonite 78-68. Won at Randolph-Macon 69-66.
6. DePauw 18-4 14-3 (SCAC): LOST to Centre 69-66.
7. Millsaps 19-3 14-2(SCAC): Won at Southwestern 80-71. Won at Trinity (TX) 77-68.
8. Randolph-Macon 17-4 12-4 (ODAC): Won at Bridgewater (Va.) 72-64, LOST to Virginia Wesleyan 69-66.

West Region
1. Occidental 18-3 11-1 (SCIAC): Won at Redlands 83-80 OT, LOST at Ponoma-Pitzer 62-47
2. St. Thomas 19-3 17-2 (MIAC): Def. Augsburg 72-60.
3. UW-Platteville 17-4 15-3 (WIAC) (tied with Whitewater): LOST to Whitewater 70-66, LOST to Superior 70-59.
4. UW-Whitewater 18-3 16-3 (WIAC) (tied with Platteville): Won at Platteville 70-66, LOST at Stevens Point 76-47.
5. Cal Lutheran 17-3 13-3 (SCIAC): Def. Caltech 91-48, def. Claremont-Mudd-Scripps 53-50.
6. UW-Stevens Point 17-4 15-4 (WIAC): Won at Eau Claire 89-68, def. Whitewater 76-47.
7. Buena Vista 18-4 14-2 (IIAC): Def. Simpson 103-65.
8. Loras 17-5 14-3 (IIAC): Def. Luther 61-43.

Pat Coleman · February 17, 2008, 01:51:46 PM

Actually, York NY advances in the CUNYAC tournament -- the semifinal games just aren't loaded up yet.

SLP-O-8 · February 17, 2008, 03:23:02 PM

With Platteville losing twice and Whitewater losing once, and Occidental losing once too, where does the West region stand? When are the new regional rankings going to come out as well?

Pat Coleman · February 17, 2008, 03:37:35 PM

Wednesdays.

LogShow · February 17, 2008, 03:42:49 PM

Quote from: SLP-O-8 on February 17, 2008, 03:23:02 PM
With Platteville losing twice and Whitewater losing once, and Occidental losing once too, where does the West region stand? When are the new regional rankings going to come out as well?

Puget Sound could have had a chance to move up with 2 wins but couldn't get it down against Whitworth

Ralph Turner · February 17, 2008, 05:32:55 PM

St Joseph's NY 74, at Purchase 59

Pat Coleman · February 17, 2008, 06:50:52 PM

Thanks -- not many Friday/Saturday results left to get in there. We'll definitely run SOS numbers tonight.

ILive4This · February 17, 2008, 08:49:19 PM

Um check that, Brandeis DEFEATED carnegie mellon 84-81, you have this as a loss.

Ralph Turner · February 17, 2008, 08:52:25 PM

Quote from: ILive4This on February 17, 2008, 08:49:19 PM
Um check that, Brandeis DEFEATED Carnegie Mellon 84-81, you have this as a loss.

Corrected! Thanks!

ILive4This · February 17, 2008, 09:42:06 PM

So what is the formula for ranking these pool c teams/ what are the rankings looking like for the top 17 right now?

Greek Tragedy · February 17, 2008, 11:32:12 PM

Thought I would post this from the WIAC page. Talking about a mess in the West Regional Rankings...and all this prior to the league tourneys!

Quote
West Region
1. Occidental 18-3 11-1 (SCIAC): Won at Redlands 83-80 OT, LOST at Ponoma-Pitzer 62-47
2. St. Thomas 19-3 17-2 (MIAC): Def. Augsburg 72-60.
3. UW-Platteville 17-4 15-3 (WIAC) (tied with Whitewater): LOST to Whitewater 70-66, LOST to Superior 70-59.
4. UW-Whitewater 18-3 16-3 (WIAC) (tied with Platteville): Won at Platteville 70-66, LOST at Stevens Point 76-47.
5. Cal Lutheran 17-3 13-3 (SCIAC): Def. Caltech 91-48, def. Claremont-Mudd-Scripps 53-50.
6. UW-Stevens Point 17-4 15-4 (WIAC): Won at Eau Claire 89-68, def. Whitewater 76-47.
7. Buena Vista 18-4 14-2 (IIAC): Def. Simpson 103-65.
8. Loras 17-5 14-3 (IIAC): Def. Luther 61-43.

Not sure what to think about the next West Regional Rankings.

It could be:

1. St. Thomas (leads MIAC)
2. Cal Lutheran (tied with Occidental for SCIAC lead)
3. Stevens Point (tied with Oshkosh and Whitewater for WIAC lead)
4. Whitewater (tied with Oshkosh and Stevens Point for WIAC lead)
5. Occidental (tied with Cal Lutheran for SCIAC lead)
6. Buena Vista (leads IIAC)
7. Loras (one game back in IIAC)
8. Oshkosh (tied with Whitewater and Stevens Point for WIAC lead)
8. Whitworth (tied with Puget Sound for NWC lead)

St. Thomas, Cal. Lutheran and Stevens Point all move up, obviously. I'm not sure if Point will leapfrog Lutheran, even with a win against a fellow ranked opponent. Lutheran still has that win over Point in it's back pocket. I don't see Occidental falling behind Buena Vista and Loras simply because their regional record will still be about the same and I'm not sure those wins over Simpson and Luther for BV and Loras are too impressive anyway. Whitewater will be hard to figure out since they beat a ranked team ahead of them on the road and then lost to a ranked team behind them on the road. It doesn't matter if they lost by 2 or 29. Though Puget Sound isn't in the rankings, a win over them by Whitworth should boost their profile a little, while Oshkosh's win over River Falls probably won't stand out. Chapman is a Pool B team, but I still don't think they'll get in the rankings. They do have good wins against Cal. Lutheran and Whitworth and losing a close 2nd game to Cal. Lutheran and Plattsburgh State (doesn't count anyway) and a loss to Occidental.

As you can see, it's a mess. As we know:

Point travels to Platteville on Saturday, giving Platteville a shot to get back into the rankings.
Oshkosh goes to Whitewater on Wednesday.
Occidental host Cal Lutheran on Wednesday looking for the sweep.
Loras heads to Buena Vista on Saturday, hoping for a split and tie for the conference.
Whitworth has already swept Puget Sound

pabegg · February 18, 2008, 01:50:41 PM

Here we go with my numbers for this week. Remember that this is an attempt to model the NCAA ranking methodology using the "hard" numbers of winning percentage and strength of schedule.

Reg Conf Rank Prior RPI OWP OOWP School Natl Status Reg Overall

NE 16 01 01 0.6839 0.6150 0.5489 Amherst 001 A w C 22-1 22-2
NE 13 02 02 0.6426 0.5639 0.5294 Mass-Dartmouth 003 A w C 21-2 21-2
NE 90 03 06 0.6444 0.5910 0.5859 Brandeis 008 C 2 17-4 18-4
NE 17 04 07 0.6115 0.5474 0.5415 Worcester Polytech 016 A w C 17-4 18-5
NE 16 05 04 0.6161 0.5723 0.5282 Bowdoin 020 C 4 19-5 19-5
NE 16 06 03 0.6363 0.6175 0.5485 Trinity (Conn.) 026 C 7 16-5 18-6
NE 16 07 05 0.6222 0.6023 0.5223 Middlebury 027 C 8 16-5 18-6
NE 13 08 10 0.6045 0.5499 0.5357 Rhode Island College 031 C 11 18-5 18-5
NE 12 09 09 0.5554 0.4282 0.5015 Emerson 043 A second 19-3 20-3
NE 16 10 08 0.6008 0.5672 0.5417 Bates 047 C second 16-6 17-7
NE 15 11 14 0.5727 0.5272 0.4865 Elms 055 A second 15-5 17-6
NE 14 12 11 0.5712 0.5285 0.5007 Salem State 060 A third 16-6 16-6
NE 12 13 12 0.5515 0.4728 0.4987 Emmanuel 062 C third 16-5 16-7

EA 23 01 01 0.6286 0.4913 0.5317 Plattsburgh State 002 A w C 18-0 21-2
EA 90 02 02 0.6493 0.6371 0.5613 Rochester 022 C 5 16-5 17-5
EA 23 03 03 0.6095 0.5555 0.5373 Brockport State 028 C 9 15-4 18-6
EA 21 04 04 0.6001 0.5592 0.5430 Nazareth 041 A w C 17-6 17-6
EA 21 05 05 0.5641 0.4472 0.5287 Stevens 042 C 17 20-4 20-4
EA 23 06 06 0.6013 0.5830 0.5168 Oswego State 050 C second 13-5 16-5
EA 24 07 07 0.5870 0.5453 0.5204 St. Lawrence 052 A second 14-5 15-8
EA 23 08 10 0.5427 0.4378 0.5333 Cortland State 076 16-5 18-5

AT 33 01 03 0.5624 0.4557 0.4810 SUNY-Farmingdale 038 A w C 18-3 19-4
AT 32 02 02 0.5829 0.5199 0.5192 William Paterson 039 A w C 17-5 17-5
AT 32 03 01 0.5748 0.5081 0.5211 Richard Stockton 051 C second 16-5 16-6
AT 33 04 04 0.5612 0.5351 0.4602 SUNY-Old Westbury 074 15-6 15-8
AT 31 05 05 0.5430 0.4697 0.4934 York (N.Y.) 082 A other 17-6 19-7
AT 33 06 06 0.5165 0.4071 0.4790 St. Joseph's (L.I.) 101 17-5 18-5
AT 32 07 10 0.5387 0.5141 0.5156 Montclair State 126 11-7 14-9
AT 32 08 09 0.5323 0.5066 0.5047 Rowan 131 11-7 16-7

MA 45 01 01 0.6287 0.5256 0.5161 Ursinus 004 A w C 18-1 21-2
MA 45 02 02 0.6198 0.5309 0.5225 Gettysburg 005 C 1 17-2 19-3
MA 42 03 03 0.6191 0.5501 0.5340 Widener 009 A w C 16-3 19-4
MA 41 04 07 0.5991 0.5609 0.5019 York (Pa.) 034 A w C 17-5 17-6
MA 43 05 04 0.5688 0.4625 0.5081 DeSales 036 A w C 16-3 19-4
MA 42 06 05 0.6169 0.6481 0.5216 Messiah 057 C third 13-7 15-8
MA 42 07 06 0.5820 0.5422 0.5436 Albright 059 C third 14-6 14-7
MA 42 08 10 0.5818 0.5783 0.5392 Elizabethtown 083 12-7 15-7
MA 46 09 09 0.5378 0.4544 0.5031 Moravian 087 B 4 17-6 18-6
MA 42 10 16 0.5768 0.5792 0.5489 Lycoming 094 128 15-8
MA 46 11 13 0.5450 0.4976 0.5032 Juniata 097 B 6 157 16-8

SO 54 01 01 0.6101 0.5001 0.4989 Centre 006 A w C 16-1 21-1
SO 51 02 02 0.5945 0.4832 0.5116 Mary Hardin-Baylor 014 A w C 18-2 20-3
SO 53 03 05 0.6074 0.5431 0.5251 Virginia Wesleyan 017 A w C 18-4 19-5
SO 53 04 04 0.6073 0.5403 0.5305 Guilford 019 C 3 18-4 19-4
SO 54 05 06 0.5840 0.4756 0.4958 Millsaps 024 C 6 16-2 21-3
SO 52 06 03 0.5817 0.4729 0.4986 Maryville (Tenn.) 030 B 1 15-2 21-2
SO 54 07 07 0.5698 0.5000 0.5016 DePauw 049 C second 14-4 18-5
SO 53 08 08 0.5926 0.5592 0.5299 Randolph-Macon 054 C second 13-5 18-5
SO 51 09 11 0.5554 0.4870 0.5107 Mississippi College 066 C third 145 17-5
SO 53 10 09 0.5968 0.6127 0.5118 Roanoke 070 C third 13-7 15-7
SO 53 11 13 0.5595 0.5193 0.5327 Washington and Lee 084 126 14-8

GL 64 01 01 0.6098 0.5232 0.5291 Capital 012 A w C 19-3 20-3
GL 63 02 03 0.5960 0.5146 0.4883 Wooster 018 A w C 13-2 20-3
GL 62 03 02 0.5911 0.4857 0.5180 Hope 023 A w C 14-2 19-3
GL 64 04 04 0.5800 0.4973 0.5253 Heidelberg 035 C 14 16-4 18-5
GL 62 05 09 0.5770 0.5038 0.5005 Albion 037 C 15 12-3 16-5
GL 61 06 07 0.5570 0.4408 0.4964 Penn State-Behrend 044 A second 17-3 19-4
GL 61 07 06 0.5532 0.4556 0.4921 Lake Erie 053 C second 17-4 17-6
GL 63 08 05 0.5803 0.5458 0.4929 Ohio Wesleyan 056 C second 14-5 15-7
GL 64 09 10 0.5651 0.5155 0.5153 Wilmington 069 C third 15-6 15-8

MW 90 01 01 0.6740 0.6458 0.5712 Washington U. 007 A w C 15-3 18-4
MW 74 02 02 0.6041 0.5089 0.5099 Lawrence 010 A w C 16-2 18-2
MW 71 03 03 0.6228 0.5811 0.5563 Augustana 021 A w C 17-5 18-5
MW 90 04 07 0.6157 0.5911 0.5804 Chicago 045 C second 14-6 15-7
MW 71 05 05 0.6157 0.6085 0.5457 Illinois Wesleyan 046 C second 14-6 15-8
MW 71 06 04 0.5973 0.5740 0.5570 Wheaton (Ill.) 058 C third 13-6 17-6
MW 71 07 09 0.5698 0.5094 0.5331 Elmhurst 061 C third 16-6 17-6
MW 76 08 08 0.5544 0.4948 0.4782 Webster 063 A third 15-5 17-5
MW 73 09 11 0.5473 0.4586 0.4994 Aurora 064 B 2 17-5 19-5
MW 72 10 10 0.5526 0.4982 0.4999 Defiance 080 A other 156 17-6
MW 74 11 06 0.5675 0.5457 0.4943 Carroll 081 136 14-6

WE 82 01 02 0.6021 0.4921 0.5241 St. Thomas 011 A w C 18-2 20-3
WE 86 02 04 0.6211 0.5749 0.5252 UW-Stevens Point 013 A w C 17-4 19-4
WE 84 03 01 0.6024 0.5056 0.5412 Occidental 015 A w C 12-2 19-3
WE 81 04 05 0.5852 0.4594 0.5398 Buena Vista 025 A w C 15-2 19-4
WE 81 05 06 0.5932 0.4994 0.5408 Loras 029 C 10 15-3 18-5
WE 84 06 08 0.5852 0.4884 0.5307 Cal Lutheran 032 C 12 15-3 19-3
WE 86 07 07 0.5861 0.4985 0.5379 UW-Whitewater 033 C 13 17-4 19-4
WE 86 08 09 0.6026 0.5668 0.5401 UW-Oshkosh 040 C 16 14-5 17-6
WE 86 09 03 0.5832 0.5227 0.5375 UW-Platteville 048 C second 15-5 17-6
WE 82 10 11 0.5666 0.5180 0.5161 Gustavus Adolphus 067 C third 15-6 17-6
WE 89 11 12 0.5348 0.3758 0.5304 Nebraska Wesleyan 068 B 3 6-1 13-10

A good week for Brandeis, Rhode Island College, Farmingdale, York PA

Not so good for Occidental and Platteville. Rochester survives the bad results due to strength of their opponents.

OK, I've fixed the issues that I've found. DePauw drops out of Pool C, replaced by Albion.