Pool C

[Mr. Ypsi]

Not on mappoint.msn.com, which insists the shortest possible distance is via Indianapolis.

That's just wrong and silly. Just truck up 231 to Lafayette, then hop on I-65 towards Chi-town. Yeesh.

mappoint's route MAY be the quickest; it is a blatant lie to call it the "shortest possible distance".  This may be the biggest 'crock' since the 'magic ferry' for Hope-Carthage.

[Titan Q]

Not on mappoint.msn.com, which insists the shortest possible distance is via Indianapolis.

That's just wrong and silly. Just truck up 231 to Lafayette, then hop on I-65 towards Chi-town. Yeesh.

mappoint's route MAY be the quickest; it is a blatant lie to call it the "shortest possible distance".  This may be the biggest 'crock' since the 'magic ferry' for Hope-Carthage.

Oh, it's not the quickest either.  Seriously - do a Mapquest on 5530 S. Ellis Ave. in Chicago to Greencastle, IN and look at the map.  Going through Indianapolis is just silly.

IWU's game at Claremont-Mudd-Scripps (Claremont, CA) was in-region...Chicago's at DePauw is not.  Crazy stuff.

[Ralph Turner]

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IWU's game at Claremont-Mudd-Scripps (Claremont, CA) was in-region.

Why, shucks, TitanQ...
you go up on the roof of the AllState building there in Bloomington, look just over the Rockies, and you can almost see Claremont.   

[Mr. Ypsi]

Pat, does the NCAA ever overrule mappoint when it is CLEARLY wrong, or is it absolute inerrant gospel?

[Titan Q]

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IWU's game at Claremont-Mudd-Scripps (Claremont, CA) was in-region.

Why, shucks, TitanQ...
you go up on the roof of the AllState building there in Bloomington, look just over the Rockies, and you can almost see Claremont.   

Good Neighbor, Ralph...not Good Hands!

http://www.statefarm.com/about/careers/our_locations/corporate/corporate.asp

[Ralph Turner]

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IWU's game at Claremont-Mudd-Scripps (Claremont, CA) was in-region.

Why, shucks, TitanQ...
you go up on the roof of the AllState building there in Bloomington, look just over the Rockies, and you can almost see Claremont.   

Good Neighbor, Ralph...not Good Hands!

http://www.statefarm.com/about/careers/our_locations/corporate/corporate.asp

Well, the building is tall enough, but I dribbled that one off my foot!

You are right!  "Not good hands!"

Slow, white, and short with an 8" vertical leap!   

[sac]

Pat, does the NCAA ever overrule mappoint when it is CLEARLY wrong, or is it absolute inerrant gospel?

Depends on the year.

[Ralph Turner]

Pat, does the NCAA ever overrule mappoint when it is CLEARLY wrong, or is it absolute inerrant gospel?

Depends on the year.

    !  +1!

[Mr. Ypsi]

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IWU's game at Claremont-Mudd-Scripps (Claremont, CA) was in-region.

Why, shucks, TitanQ...
you go up on the roof of the AllState building there in Bloomington, look just over the Rockies, and you can almost see Claremont.   

Good Neighbor, Ralph...not Good Hands!

http://www.statefarm.com/about/careers/our_locations/corporate/corporate.asp

Well, the building is tall enough, but I dribbled that one off my foot!

You are right!  "Not good hands!"

Slow, white, and short with an 8" vertical leap!   

I dunno - if my calculations are right, with the earth's curvature the State Farm building would need to be 577,634 stories high.  They proposed that, but the Bloomington planning commission turned them down.  Danged bureaucracy!

[Titan Q]

Does anyone have a feel for how the committees are using - and will use at the national level - the OWP and OOWP numbers?  Is there any chance they will simply add them together, creating one number?

For example, just taking the top Pool C candidates (teams that are not in sole possession of 1st place in a Pool A conference), here is how they stack when you take OWP + OOWP:

1 Rochester (East) – 1.198
2 Brandeis (NE) – 1.177
3 Chicago (MW) – 1.171
4 Trinity, CT (NE) – 1.166
5 Illinois Wesleyan* (MW) – 1.154
6 Augustana* (MW) – 1.137
7 Wheaton, IL (MW) – 1.131
8 Middlebury (NE) – 1.124
9 Bates (NE) – 1.109
10 UW-Oshkosh* (West) – 1.107
11 Nazareth (East) – 1.102
12 UW- Stevens Point* (West) – 1.100
13 Bowdoin (NE) – 1.100
14 Cortland State (East) - 1.100
15 Oswego State (East) - 1.100
16 Mass-Dartmouth* (NE) - 1.093
17 Brockport St (East) – 1.093
18 Randolph-Macon (South) – 1.089
19 Rhode Island* (NE) - 1.086
20 Widener (Mid Atl) – 1.084
21 Virginia Wesleyan (South) – 1.068
22 UW-Platteville (West) - 1.060
23 Gettysburg (Mid Atl) – 1.053
24 Occidental* (West) - 1.047
25 Elmhurst (MW) – 1.042

* currently tied for a conference lead (might be a Pool A team)

Any chance this is the number that gets used with in-region winning % (and other primary criteria) in ranking the teams?  Or are OWP and OOWP evaluated as two totally separate numbers?

[sac]

I actually read the tournament manual last night. (dorky I know)  At least on the women's side it doesn't appear they followed the criteria correctly

example, Great Lakes Region

1. Thomas More 19-0 in region record
2. Hope 21-0 in region record with both OWP and OOWP being higher than Thomas More.  (I could be wrong on this as I can't find the table today)

I have no idea what the committee's are doing any more, or how they are interpreting the info.  They can't even get Hope's in-region record correct on the men's side.


Did I also read the manual right and there is only one regional committee for both the men's and women's tournaments?

Its just plugging numbers in now isn't it.   Sad!

[Mr. Ypsi]

I seem to remember reading somewhere that it is 2/3 OWP and 1/3 OOWP - or am I mixing it up with RPI?

[Ralph Turner]

I actually read the tournament manual last night. (dorky I know)  At least on the women's side it doesn't appear they followed the criteria correctly

example, Great Lakes Region

1. Thomas More 19-0 in region record
2. Hope 21-0 in region record with both OWP and OOWP being higher than Thomas More.  (I could be wrong on this as I can't find the table today)

I have no idea what the committee's are doing any more, or how they are interpreting the info.  They can't even get Hope's in-region record correct on the men's side.


Did I also read the manual right and there is only one regional committee for both the men's and women's tournaments?

Its just plugging numbers in now isn't it.   Sad!

I have that Hope women have an in-region record thru Sunday February 10 of 18-0.

Thru the same day, I have Thomas More's in-region record as 18-0.  I see an in-region win over #3 DePauw, a "result against a regionally ranked opponent".

As I understand the criteria, all criteria are considered equally.  I assume that the committee acknowledged the win over DePauw in the rankings.

Men and Women have separate committees.  The committee members are listed in each Handbook.

[Pat Coleman]

I actually read the tournament manual last night. (dorky I know)  At least on the women's side it doesn't appear they followed the criteria correctly

example, Great Lakes Region

1. Thomas More 19-0 in region record
2. Hope 21-0 in region record with both OWP and OOWP being higher than Thomas More.  (I could be wrong on this as I can't find the table today)

I have no idea what the committee's are doing any more, or how they are interpreting the info.  They can't even get Hope's in-region record correct on the men's side.


Did I also read the manual right and there is only one regional committee for both the men's and women's tournaments?

Its just plugging numbers in now isn't it.   Sad!

The SOS numbers are linked from the front page story today and I added a link this afternoon from the right-hand menu rail so they're always accessible.

[pabegg]

Thomas More is 2-0 against ranked opponents, while Hope is 1-0. Not much to go on, but there's an advantage to Thomas More there, balancing the advantage to Hope on the OWP/OOWP.

It's still somewhat subjective given the criteria at hand.