Pool C

[pabegg]

Is Brooklyn going to get a Pool C bid?

PABegg is better suited to discuss the numerical criteria, but that looks highly unlikely.

The Bridges were not listed in the first regional rankings which are a fair indication which teams the selection committee will have its eyes on.  Brooklyn's opponents winning percentage (.359) hurts.  No ranked teams had a percentage below .400.

Brooklyn stands at about #140 nationally, which is about 100 spots off of what they would need to be in Pool C contention. They are about #9 in the Atlantic Region, and even the top teams (Farmingdale and Richard Stockton) are on the bubble if they don't win the conference tournaments.

Brooklyn would need to be at about 2-3 losses on that weak a schedule to be in contention for a Pool C.

[pufin]

Is Brooklyn going to get a Pool C bid?

PABegg is better suited to discuss the numerical criteria, but that looks highly unlikely.

The Bridges were not listed in the first regional rankings which are a fair indication which teams the selection committee will have its eyes on.  Brooklyn's opponents winning percentage (.359) hurts.  No ranked teams had a percentage below .400.

Brooklyn stands at about #140 nationally, which is about 100 spots off of what they would need to be in Pool C contention. They are about #9 in the Atlantic Region, and even the top teams (Farmingdale and Richard Stockton) are on the bubble if they don't win the conference tournaments.

Brooklyn would need to be at about 2-3 losses on that weak a schedule to be in contention for a Pool C.

Looks like the CUNYAC has already started their conference tournament. (Seems awfully early, yet) Three of the top four teams (including Brooklyn) lost first round games at home. Brooklyn is now just looking for an ECAC bid at this point.

[Titan Q]

Just my opinion, but here is how I see it as of today, with teams in each category listed from top to bottom.  Let me know if I am missing anyone...


* Teams that are currently tied for 1st place in their league

Current conference leaders that would be lock Pool C's:

Amherst (NESCAC, NE)       
Washington U. (UAA, MW)   
Plattsburg St (SUNYAC, East)      
Mass-Dartmouth* (LEC, NE)       
Ursinus (CC, Mid Atl)   
Centre (SCAC, South)   
St. Thomas (MIAC, West)         
Capital (OAC, GL)         
Augustana* (CCIW, MW)         
UW- Stevens Point* (WIAC, West)         
Lawrence (MWC, MW)      
Occidental* (SCIAC, West)          
Mary Hardin-Baylor (ASC, South)         
Guilford (ODAC, South)
Hope (MIAA, GL)            
Wooster (NCAC, GL)      


Current conf. leaders that have a C chance, but certainly not a lock:

Worcester Poly (NEWMAC, NE)   
York, Pa (CAC, Mid-Alt)   
Buena Vista (IIAC, West)
Rhode Island* (LEC, NE)          
Illinois Wesleyan* (CCIW, MW)          
Cal Lutheran* (SCIAC, West)          
UW-Whitewater* (WIAC, West)      
UW-Oshkosh* (WIAC, West)      
Nazareth (E8, East)      
DeSales (MACF, Mid-Atl)         
Stevens (E8, East)         
St. Lawrence (LL, East)         
Farmingdale St (SKY, Atl)
William Paterson (NJAC, Atl)      
    

Current conf. leaders with no chance at a C:

Elms (NAC, NE)
Lake Erie* (AMCC, GL)
Penn St - Behrend* (AMCC, GL)
Emmanuel (GNAC, NE)         
Lycoming (MACC, Mid-Atl)         
Webster (SLIAC, MW)         
Puget Sound* (NWC, West)      
Defiance (HCAC, MW)         
Whitworth* (NWC, West)         
Moravian (Land, Mid-Atl)         
York, NY* (CUNYAC, Atl)         
Fitchburg State (MASCAC, NE)         
Alvernia (PnAC, Mid-Atl)
Bethany (PrAC, GL)
Roger Williams (CCC, NE)
Methodist* (USAC, South)
Brooklyn* (CUNYAC, Atl)
Baptist Bible (NEAC, East)
Ferrum* (USAC, South)
   

Teams not currently in the lead in their conf. who are C locks:

Mass-Dartmouth* (LEC, NE)          
Brandeis (UAA, NE)       
Rochester (UAA, East)          
Gettysburg (CC, Mid Atl)          
Trinity, CT (NESCAC, NE)          
Widener (MACC, Mid Atl)       
Augustana* (CCIW, MW)      
UW- Stevens Point* (WIAC, West)         
Occidental* (SCIAC, West)       
Virginia Wesleyan (ODAC, South)          
Middlebury (NESCAC, NE)          
Brockport St (SUNYAC, East)    


Next tier of C candidates -- on the bubble:

Bowdoin (NESCAC, NE)
Loras (IIAC, West)       
Rhode Island* (LEC, NE)          
Cortland State (SUNYAC, East)       
Millsaps (SCAC, South)          
Illinois Wesleyan* (CCIW, MW)          
Cal Lutheran* (SCIAC, West)          
UW-Whitewater* (WIAC, West)         
UW-Oshkosh* (WIAC, West)         
Chicago (UAA, MW)      
Bates (NESCAC, NE)
UW-Platteville (WIAC, West)   


Anyone not listed:

Very little chance for a Pool C bid - better win the AQ.

[Ralph Turner]

Please remember that the Landmark Conference is a Pool B conference.  If  Moravian doesn't earn a B, then a C is "iffy".

[ILive4This]

Alot of the current conference leaders will need to win their tournaments for Chicago to get in. I think the Maroons deserve a place in the tourny given how they have played in the UAA, but their out of conference record will hurt them. That being said if they get in that should make 5 out of 8 UAA teams in the tourney, which would be pretty darn impressive.

[Hugenerd]

Alot of the current conference leaders will need to win their tournaments for Chicago to get in. I think the Maroons deserve a place in the tourny given how they have played in the UAA, but their out of conference record will hurt them. That being said if they get in that should make 5 out of 8 UAA teams in the tourney, which would be pretty darn impressive.

5 teams?  I think you may mean 4.

From my count, WashU, Rochester, and Brandeis will likely make it with Chicago on the bubble.  I dont think NYU, CMU, CWRU or EU have a chance.  (CMU and NYU should make the ECAC, meaning 6 post season teams if Chicago makes the tourney).

[Ralph Turner]

Alot of the current conference leaders will need to win their tournaments for Chicago to get in. I think the Maroons deserve a place in the tourny given how they have played in the UAA, but their out of conference record will hurt them. That being said if they get in that should make 5 out of 8 UAA teams in the tourney, which would be pretty darn impressive.

5 teams?  I think you may mean 4.

From my count, WashU, Rochester, and Brandeis will likely make it with Chicago on the bubble.  I dont think NYU, CMU, CWRU or EU have a chance.  (CMU and NYU should make the ECAC, meaning 6 post season teams if Chicago makes the tourney).

hugenerd,
Rochester?  NCAA or ECAC?

[Jacketfan2011]

hugenerd,
Rochester?  NCAA or ECAC?
[/quote]

Not to step on a ginormus nerds toes, but NCAA fo' sho'.  Why wouldn't they be?  At this point?

[Hugenerd]

The only reason they wouldnt is that they are 1-4 in their last 5, but that said, there are many reasons they should make it (at this point).

I think Rochester is going to make the field (NCAA).  They should win the last 3 games (Case and Emory at home, and CMU on the road).  If they dont win the last 3, they may have more to worry about, but with their current OWP being 6 in the country, being ranked #6 by massey overall and #2 in SOS (#27 overall and #12 SOS with MOV), and with all of their losses being in conference, with four of those being on the road (two of them to top 5 caliber national teams), I dont think you can keep them out at 20-5.  Also, regardless of their record (or 5 losses), they are the best team in the east region (plattsburgh may have an argument also).  Their only loss to a "real" east region team is to NYU and that was in 2OT on the road.  They have beaten: 2 of the top 3 teams in the E8 (giving Nazareth 2 of their 6 losses and beating St. John Fisher) and 2 of the top 3 SUNYAC teams (Cortland and Brockport).  In addition to dominating their east region opponents, they have beaten WashU and Brandeis once each.  As long as they win out (giving them a 9-5 UAA mark), they should be safe (another loss could land them on the bubble).

[iwumichigander]

Alot of the current conference leaders will need to win their tournaments for Chicago to get in. I think the Maroons deserve a place in the tourny given how they have played in the UAA, but their out of conference record will hurt them. That being said if they get in that should make 5 out of 8 UAA teams in the tourney, which would be pretty darn impressive.

5 teams?  I think you may mean 4.

From my count, WashU, Rochester, and Brandeis will likely make it with Chicago on the bubble.  I dont think NYU, CMU, CWRU or EU have a chance.  (CMU and NYU should make the ECAC, meaning 6 post season teams if Chicago makes the tourney).

UChgo 4 non-conference in region losses (Trinty (Tx), DePauw, Wheaton (Il) & Loras) together with a 1 pt loss to Rochester (a game Chgo probably should have won) have them in a bad place.  And, I don't see UChgo running the table in the UAA 3-0 with the games it has remaining. Even with the UAA's dispersion into the Administrative Regions, I just don't see the Committee putting more than two UAA teams in the NCAA tournament unless a few other teams in those administrative regions do a 'deep dive'

[Hugenerd]

UChgo 4 non-conference in region losses (Trinty (Tx), DePauw, Wheaton (Il) & Loras) together with a 1 pt loss to Rochester (a game Chgo probably should have won) have them in a bad place.  And, I don't see UChgo running the table in the UAA 3-0 with the games it has remaining.

They have a chance because all those games are at home, but it will still be difficult.

Even with the UAA's dispersion into the Administrative Regions, I just don't see the Committee putting more than two UAA teams in the NCAA tournament unless a few other teams in those administrative regions do a 'deep dive'

They will definitely get more then 2, unless Rochester and Brandeis completely collapse down the stretch.  The UAA had 3 teams in the tourney last year, so why wouldnt they get that many this year?

[Titan Q]

The UAA will get at least 3 teams in - Wash U, Rochester, and Brandeis are locks.  Chicago is on the Pool C bubble.

[Greek Tragedy]

Just my opinion, but here is how I see it as of today, with teams in each category listed from top to bottom.  Let me know if I am missing anyone...


* Teams that are currently tied for 1st place in their league

Current conference leaders that would be lock Pool C's:         
UW- Stevens Point* (WIAC, West)         
   
Next tier of C candidates -- on the bubble:         
UW-Oshkosh* (WIAC, West)         

UW-Platteville (WIAC, West)   

Call me a pessimist, but I wouldn't consider Stevens Point A LOCK for a Pool C bid just yet...and I don't think Oshkosh or Platteville will get a Pool C bid at all.  Or, you could just mean "if the tourney bids were given out today"...not sure.   

[Basketball23]

I would throw Albion and Heidelberg on the Pool C bubble list as well. With as tough as the Great Lakes region is I would be shocked if that region didnt get a single Pool C bid.

Also what is the ECAC? I feel like i missed something

[sac]

I would throw Albion and Heidelberg on the Pool C bubble list as well. With as tough as the Great Lakes region is I would be shocked if that region didnt get a single Pool C bid.

Heidelberg needs to beat Capital Wednesday and have a good showing in the OAC tournament.

Albion needs to make the final of the MIAA tournament without a slip up between now and then.

Calvin's in-region record is 9-3, an unbeaten week and makeing the MIAA tournament Championship with a win over Hope or Albion in the semi's would put them in the discussion.  Esp if they were able to beat Hope twice in 10 days.

Losses for any of these teams before the Tournament finals puts their chances in jeopardy.