Pool C

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Quote from: Basketball23 on February 19, 2008, 04:57:03 PM
I would throw Albion and Heidelberg on the Pool C bubble list as well. With as tough as the Great Lakes region is I would be shocked if that region didnt get a single Pool C bid.

Also what is the ECAC? I feel like i missed something

That could be the reason why it doesn't get one.  
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Quote from: Basketball23 on February 19, 2008, 04:57:03 PM
I would throw Albion and Heidelberg on the Pool C bubble list as well. With as tough as the Great Lakes region is I would be shocked if that region didnt get a single Pool C bid.

Also what is the ECAC? I feel like i missed something

ECAC is the Eastern Coast Athletic Conference.  They hold four  NIT-like regional tournaments at the end of each  year (8 teams each).  ECAC only goes as west as Pennsylvania and I dont think it goes much further south either (than PA).

More info at www.ecac.org

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Quote from: hugenerd on February 19, 2008, 05:32:16 PM
Quote from: Basketball23 on February 19, 2008, 04:57:03 PM
I would throw Albion and Heidelberg on the Pool C bubble list as well. With as tough as the Great Lakes region is I would be shocked if that region didnt get a single Pool C bid.

Also what is the ECAC? I feel like i missed something

ECAC is the Eastern Coast Athletic Conference.  They hold four  NIT-like regional tournaments at the end of each  year (8 teams each).  ECAC only goes as west as Pennsylvania and I dont think it goes much further south either (than PA).

More info at www.ecac.org

It's a bigger deal in New Jersey because the NJAC teams participate, but in New England its more a goal of the smaller conferences as the NESCAC teams stay out of it.
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Quote from: Basketball23 on February 19, 2008, 04:57:03 PM

Also what is the ECAC?

Quote from: hugenerd on February 19, 2008, 05:32:16 PM

ECAC is the Eastern Coast Athletic Conference.  They hold four  NIT-like regional tournaments at the end of each  year (8 teams each).  ECAC only goes as west as Pennsylvania and I dont think it goes much further south either (than PA).
Yeah, by the time you get to Ohio, it is definitely the North Coast Athletic Conference!   ;D   :D   8)

ILive4This

Actually ECAC technically goes as far west as chicago and down south to the carolinas except in d3 they dont include these areas in their tournaments. However in division 1 especially in sports like track you have schools from the midwest and southeast competing.

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Quote from: ILive4This on February 20, 2008, 12:35:20 AM
Actually ECAC technically goes as far west as chicago and down south to the carolinas except in d3 they dont include these areas in their tournaments. However in division 1 especially in sports like track you have schools from the midwest and southeast competing.

Not really. In Division I you have school (singular) from the midwest competing. For some reason that totally escapes me, the University of Illinois-Chicago is an ECAC member. Most of the other Horizon League schools besides UIC are not ECAC members, so there isn't a conference-affiliation purpose behind UIC's ECAC membership. And it certainly doesn't seem to serve much purpose in the realm of competition, since Chicago is a long way away from the East Coast.

In D3, the ECAC member that's the furthest west is Lake Erie College in Painesville, Ohio, just east of Cleveland. That school is leaving D3 to move to D2, and when it does Bethany College (Bethany, West Virginia) will then be the only ECAC school west of the Pennsylvania state line -- and, like Lake Erie, Bethany is barely west of Pennsylvania.
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ILive4This

I am simply stating what I remember reading one time advertised on the ECAC website.

As a member of an ECAC institution, and an attendee at this past summer's UAA SAAC meetings, I pushed to propose legislation for a +2 tournament for ECAC and most agreed, but it was never pushed past anything but an interesting discussion.

Honestly I in a way agree with the NESCAC's position of not participating in the ECAC, in a way it is a joke. I sometimes get upset when teams at Brandeis boast about their ECAC wins. I was happy when we were given the Jostens award, as it has been granted to some very prestigious universities in its short span (princeton, georgetown to name a few). However it is sort of meaningless to be ECAC champion.

How awesome is it to say "We are ECAC champions....well okay only New England Champions, well actually really we are the best team in New England that did not make NCAA and isnt in the NESCAC. This usually means your the best of the teams with a .500-.550 record.

Gregory Sager

Maybe so, but it's extra games tacked on to the end of your season. That's a good thing for the fans, and it's a good reward for the players (as well as an opportunity for them to develop their games further). Quite frankly, as a fan and alumnus of a midwestern D3 school, I wish that we had something like the ECAC postseason tourney out here. The more postseason basketball, the better.
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Quote from: Basketball23 on February 19, 2008, 04:57:03 PM
I would throw Albion and Heidelberg on the Pool C bubble list as well. With as tough as the Great Lakes region is I would be shocked if that region didnt get a single Pool C bid.

Also what is the ECAC? I feel like i missed something

I have Heidelberg as the #1 Pool C candidate from the Great Lakes and Albion #2.  But I have Heidelberg behind such teams as Chicago, Bates, and Oswego State, who are on the bubble at best. 

Heidelberg definitely needs to beat Capital tonight just to get on the bubble.

pabegg

There have been a few upsets on Monday and Tuesday. Here's how they impact the race for Pool C bids.

Widener's loss doesn't hurt them that much yet; they are still projected as a Pool A team (despite not being the top seed in their tournament). With a win last night they might have clinched a Pool C bid; with a loss in their season finale and another in the tournament, they will be on the bubble.

DeSales, on the other hand, probably lost their margin of error. With their D3 regular season done, they would now be on the outside looking in if they don't win the Pool A bid.

Messiah and Emmanuel said goodbye to any Pool C chances with their losses.

Emerson beat Emmanuel in the battle for the top of the GNAC and improved their chances of a Pool C bid; they're definitely on the bubble if they only have one more loss.

Bubble summary: DeSales drops below the line, Emerson moves above the line, no net change.

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pabegg

They are showing Chicago-DePauw as regional.

But not Hope-Carthage?

Lycoming and Messiah regional records can't be right, unless they are considering PSU-Harrisburg regional, which they shouldn't be yet.

Looks like they think Middlebury-Hamilton is regional.

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Quote from: pabegg on February 20, 2008, 04:37:16 PM
They are showing Chicago-DePauw as regional.

Is that a correction from last week? As I recall hearing Chicago-DePauw was considered not in-region last week for some ridiculous reason.
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Quote from: DCHopeNut on February 20, 2008, 04:52:59 PM
Quote from: pabegg on February 20, 2008, 04:37:16 PM
They are showing Chicago-DePauw as regional.

Is that a correction from last week? As I recall hearing Chicago-DePauw was considered not in-region last week for some ridiculous reason.

Pat confirmed on this board yesterday that they have fixed it.

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Looking at the regional rankings, I have no problem with the Atlantic with the exception of Old Westbury, there is no way they are a better team than any of the NJAC teams with similar records.

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