Pool C

[smedindy]

They've finally determined that the Love Boat between Hope and Carthage was asinine. Thankfully!

Middlebury and Hamilton are less than 200 miles apart, I believe. Google has it as 186 miles between Middlebury, VT and Clinton, NY. However, if I was taking the trip, I'd go the scenic way through the Adirondacks.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

[Dave McHugh, I wonder if you can get someone from the national committee on Hoopsville to discuss all of this?  I think there are a lot of people who would like to understand it better.

Working on it!

Wartburg's AD and Men's NCAA Committee Chairman Gary Grace as agreed to join us on Hoopsville Sunday.

He will be on LIVE at 6:15 PM EST Sunday.
He will be followed by ODAC Commissioner Brad Bankston and possibly Salem CC boss Carey Harveycutter.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

They've finally determined that the Love Boat between Hope and Carthage was asinine. Thankfully!

Middlebury and Hamilton are less than 200 miles apart, I believe. Google has it as 186 miles between Middlebury, VT and Clinton, NY. However, if I was taking the trip, I'd go the scenic way through the Adirondacks.

Pat and I actually spent awhile on Middlebury and Hamilton. While 186 is what Google has... the NCAA uses MSN Mappoint and its short distance (not straight line), it is over 200 - if I remember correctly! (Pat, do I remember correctly?)

[kiltedbryan]

I would throw Albion and Heidelberg on the Pool C bubble list as well. With as tough as the Great Lakes region is I would be shocked if that region didnt get a single Pool C bid.

Heidelberg needs to beat Capital Wednesday and have a good showing in the OAC tournament.

Albion needs to make the final of the MIAA tournament without a slip up between now and then.

Calvin's in-region record is 9-3, an unbeaten week and makeing the MIAA tournament Championship with a win over Hope or Albion in the semi's would put them in the discussion.  Esp if they were able to beat Hope twice in 10 days.

Losses for any of these teams before the Tournament finals puts their chances in jeopardy.

Heidelberg does its part, so far, beating Capital tonight 80-74 @ Capital.  They split the season series with each winning at the other.

[Ralph Turner]

They've finally determined that the Love Boat between Hope and Carthage was asinine. Thankfully!

Middlebury and Hamilton are less than 200 miles apart, I believe. Google has it as 186 miles between Middlebury, VT and Clinton, NY. However, if I was taking the trip, I'd go the scenic way through the Adirondacks.

Pat and I actually spent awhile on Middlebury and Hamilton. While 186 is what Google has... the NCAA uses MSN Mappoint and its short distance (not straight line), it is over 200 - if I remember correctly! (Pat, do I remember correctly?)

I ran it tonight.  I got 201 miles.

Does it seem that Google Maps is more user-friendly than mappoint.msn?   

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Ralph - user friendly is against the NCAA's moto!

[HopeConvert]

They've finally determined that the Love Boat between Hope and Carthage was asinine. Thankfully!

Middlebury and Hamilton are less than 200 miles apart, I believe. Google has it as 186 miles between Middlebury, VT and Clinton, NY. However, if I was taking the trip, I'd go the scenic way through the Adirondacks.

They couldn't have done that in a year where Hope loses to Carthage?

[LogShow]

Ralph - user friendly is against the NCAA's moto!

Common sense is against the NCAA's moto

[ILive4This]

Does mappoint brag as being the official distance calculator of the ncaa?

[LogShow]

Final just in...Oxy beats Cal Lutheran.  Cal Lu was 5th in the west region rankings, how does this affect their Pool C bid?  What about if they win out then lose in SCIAC championship game?

[Greek Tragedy]

Listed is last week's regional ranking and record

New (2nd list) Regional Rankings; games played through Sunday, Feb. 17

Black is conference leader
Red is Pool C contender
Blue is Pool B contender

Atlantic
1. *(LW1; 1-1) Richard Stockton 16-6 16-5 (NJAC)
2. *(LW2; 1-1) William Paterson 17-5 17-5 (NJAC)
3. (LW3; 3-0) Farmingdale State 19-4 18-3 (SKY)
4. (LW4; 2-0) York (N.Y.) 19-7 17-6 (SUNYAC)-tied with Brooklyn
5. (LWNR; 2-0) SUNY-Old Westbury 14-9 14-7 (SKY)

*William Paterson leads the NJAC North Div.
*Richard Stockton leads the NJAC South Div.

Dropping out:  St. Joseph's (L.I.)-5th (2-0)

East
1. (LW2; 2-0) Plattsburgh State 21-2 18-0 (SUNYAC)
2. (LW1; 0-2) Rochester 17-5 16-5 (UAA)
3. (LW3; 2-0) Brockport State 18-6 15-4 (SUNYAC)
4. (LW4; 1-1) Stevens 20-4 20-4 (Empire 8 )
5. (LW5; 2-1) Nazareth 17-6 17-6 (Empire 8 )

Great Lakes
1. (LW1; 2-0) Capital 20-3 19-3 (OAC)
2. (LW2; 2-0) Wooster 20-3 13-2 (NCAC)
3. (LW3; 2-0) Hope 19-3 13-2 (MIAA)
4. (LWNR; 2-0) Albion 16-5 12-3 (MIAA)
5. (LW6; 2-0) Penn State-Behrend 19-4 17-3 (AMCC)-tied with Lake Erie
6. (LW5; 2-0) Heidelberg 18-5 16-4 (OAC)

Dropping out:  Ohio Wesleyan-4th (1-1)

Middle Atlantic
1. (LW1; 2-0) Ursinus 22-2 19-1 (Centennial)
2. (LW2; 2-0) Gettysburg 19-3 17-2 (Centennial)
3. (LW3; 2-0) Widener 19-4 16-3 (MACC)
4. (LW5; 2-0) DeSales 19-4 16-3 (MACF)
5. (LW7; 1-0) York (Pa.) 17-6 17-5 (CAC)
6. (LW4; 0-2) Messiah 15-8 14-7 (MACC)
7. (LW8; 1-1) Moravian 18-6 17-6 (LAND)-tied with Juniata and Susquehanna
8. (LWNR; 2-0) Lycoming 15-8 13-7 (MACC)

*LAND (Landmark) is Pool B conference.

Dropping out:  Albright-6th (0-2)

Midwest
1. (LW2; 2-0) Washington U. 18-4 15-3 (UAA)
2. (LW1; 1-1) Augustana 18-5 17-5 (CCIW)
3. (LW3; 2-0) Lawrence 18-2 16-2 (MWC)
4. (LW5; 2-0) Chicago 15-7 14-7 (UAA)
5. (LW6; 2-0) Illinois Wesleyan 15-8 14-6 (CCIW)
6. (LW4; 1-1) Wheaton (Ill.) 17-6 13-6 (CCIW)
7. (LWNR; 2-0) Elmhurst 17-6 16-6 (CCIW)
8. (LW7; 0-1) Carroll 14-6 13-6 (MWC)

Dropping out:  Webster-8th (2-0)

Northeast
1. (LW1; 1-0) Amherst 22-2 22-1 (NESCAC)
2. (LW2; 1-1) Mass-Dartmouth 21-2 21-2 (LEC) tied with RIC
3. (LW6; 2-0) Brandeis 18-4 17-4 (UAA)
4. (LW7; 2-0) Worcester Tech 18-5 17-4 (NEWMAC)
5. (LW8; 2-0) Rhode Island College 18-5 18-5 (LEC) tied with Mass-Dartmouth
6. (LW3, 1-1) Bowdoin 19-5 19-5 (NESCAC)
7. (LW4; 1-1) Trinity (Conn.) 18-6 16-5 (NESCAC)
8. (LW5; 1-1) Middlebury 18-6 17-5 (NESCAC)
9. (LW9; 2-0) Emerson 20-3 19-3 (GNAC) tied with Emmanuel
10. (LW10; 2-1) Bates 17-7 16-6 (NESCAC)

South
1. (LW1; 1-0) Centre 21-1 16-1 (SCAC)
2. *(LW2; 2-0) Mary Hardin-Baylor 20-3 18-2 (ASC)
3. (LW3; 3-0) Guilford 19-4 18-4 (ODAC)
4. (LW5; 2-0) Virginia Wesleyan 19-5 18-4 (ODAC)
5. (LW4; 1-0) Maryville (Tenn.) 21-2 15-2 (GSAC)
6. (LW6; 0-1) DePauw 18-5 15-4 (SCAC)
7. (LW7; 2-0) Millsaps 21-3 16-2 (SCAC)
8. (LW8; 1-1) Randolph-Macon 18-5 13-5 (ODAC)

*Mary Hardin-Baylor leads ASC-West

West
1. (LW6; 2-0) UW-Stevens Point 19-4 17-4 (WIAC) tied with Whitewater and Oshkosh
2. (LW2; 1-0) St. Thomas 20-3 18-2 (MIAC)
3. (LW1; 1-1) Occidental 19-3 12-2 (SCIAC) tied with Cal. Lutheran
4. (LW4; 1-1) UW-Whitewater 19-4 17-4 (WIAC) tied with Stevens Point and Oshkosh
5. (LW5; 2-0) Cal Lutheran 19-3 15-3 (SCIAC) tied with Occidental
6. (LW7; 1-0) Buena Vista 19-4 15-2 (IIAC)
7. (LW3; 0-2) UW-Platteville 17-6 15-5 (WIAC)
8. (LWNR; 1-0) UW-Oshkosh 17-6 14-5 (WIAC) tied with Stevens Point and Whitewater

Dropping out:  Loras-8th (1-0)

[SLP-O-8]

#6 in West Region Bv also lost tonight to Central 73-71. 

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Thanks Old School for the help. +k!

[Ralph Turner]

Final just in...Oxy beats Cal Lutheran.  Cal Lu was 5th in the west region rankings, how does this affect their Pool C bid?  What about if they win out then lose in SCIAC championship game?

Losing in the Tourney final gives them another loss, too!

I think that their Pool C chances went down the tubes!

Pool A or nothing!

I generally think that the team's best chances are to win out.  If you are considering Pool C and especially if you aren't from one of the real Power Conferences (NESCAC which statistically dominates the Northeast, the CCIW, the WIAC, the UAA or maybe Hope/Calvin), then you aren't good enough.

[Ralph Turner]

Old School, please remember that the MAC-C has two seasons to get back to 7 teams.  The MAC-C is Pool A this year.  See page 14.

Moravian is Pool B!