Pool C

[magicman]

It looks like nobody wants to host. A lot of the likely suspects have lost this weekend. Who is going to get byes?

With the best record in all of D3Hoops at 26-2,  the longest winning streak in Div. III at 19 straight games, an unblemished conference record of 19-0 and winners of 3 straight SUNYAC Championships, my vote goes to Plattsburgh State to get a 1st round bye.

[fcnews]

That's ONE. How about Augie?

[magicman]

That's ONE. How about Augie?

Augustana certainly should be considered, as well as Plattsburgh, Amherst, UW-Whitewater, Centre, and Hope. Guilford, if they win today might get into the mix. But the top 4 right now should be, Hope, Whitewater, Plattsburgh, and Augustana, because of their runs to their conference championships. You should be rewarded for that. At least that's usually what happens in Div. I.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Trinity is handing it to Bowdoin right now.  Perhaps Bowdoin is on a lull after the big win last night?  Trinity is playing very well.


Ursinius is up 3 with 15 seconds to play.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Ursinius over Gettysburgh 85-78.

[LogShow]

Once all the games are done could someone post last week's regional ranking with who lost so maybe we can try to sort this mess out? 

[Gregory Sager]

That's ONE. How about Augie?

Augustana certainly should be considered, as well as Plattsburgh, Amherst, UW-Whitewater, Centre, and Hope. Guilford, if they win today might get into the mix. But the top 4 right now should be, Hope, Whitewater, Plattsburgh, and Augustana, because of their runs to their conference championships. You should be rewarded for that. At least that's usually what happens in Div. I.

This is Division III, not Division I. It doesn't work that way here. In D3, the five primary criteria are applied, a final set of regional rankings are created, and then the bracket is seeded according to how those regional rankings play out (with such additional considerations as geography and seating capacity thrown in as well). At least three of the four top seeds in each of the four sections of the bracket will get a bye, and possibly all four will get them if a second bye isn't needed for the geographic orphans on the West Coast and in the Mid-South.

This "run to the conference championship" stuff doesn't enter into it at all, because that's not one of the five primary criteria.

[sac]

That's ONE. How about Augie?

Augustana certainly should be considered, as well as Plattsburgh, Amherst, UW-Whitewater, Centre, and Hope. Guilford, if they win today might get into the mix. But the top 4 right now should be, Hope, Whitewater, Plattsburgh, and Augustana, because of their runs to their conference championships. You should be rewarded for that. At least that's usually what happens in Div. I.

At least 1, possibly 2 of the byes will be used to solve geographical issues.  Such as travel out in the Western tournament reps, and in the deep South.

[Hugenerd]

So according to pabegg's list, there are 13 locks (listed below), leaving room for 4 spots from the contender list.

Amherst
Mass-Dartmouth
Brandeis
Rochester
Capital
Washington U.
UW-Stevens Point
Wooster
Gettysburg
Bowdoin
Virginia Wesleyan or Guilford
Centre
Worcester Tech


Contenders ( 8 )

Buena Vista
Middlebury
Occidental
Emerson
Cal Lutheran
William Paterson
Brockport State
St. Lawrence

[Greek Tragedy]

Not sure if all my colors are right.  For some reason my fiance's computer is color blind and I can't tell if I have all the correct teams with the correct colors unless I read all the color=red and color=blue text!

LAST GAME HAS GUILFORD AND VIRGINIA WESLEYAN GOING INTO OT.  I'D GUESS THE LOSER IS A LOCK FOR POOL C.


I'll make RED the tournament (AQ) winners
I'll make BLUE Pool C contenders

Was it GREEN that I can't use? (color blind)

Don't worry, there will be a lot more color come Sunday!

Team W-L  Reg.
W-L OWP OOWP

Atlantic Region
1. Richard Stockton  18-6  18-5 .511 .521 (NJAC):  Def. Ramapo 60-59 in NJAC semis; def. William Paterson 67-66 in NJAC final.
2. William Paterson  18-6  18-6 .526 .516 (NJAC):  Def. Monclair State 71-61 in NJAC semis; LOST to Richard Stockton 67-66 in NJAC final
3. Farmingdale State  20-5  19-4 .466 .477 (SKY):  Def. SUNY-Maritime 84-69 in Skyline semis; def. St. Joseph's (L.I.) 91-71 in Skyline final
4. York (N.Y.)  20-8  18-7 .539 .502 (CUNYAC):  LOST to John Jay in CUNYAC final 68-54.
5. St. Joseph's (L.I.)  20-5  19-5 .433 .477 (SKY):  Def. Yeshiva 73-52 in Skyline semis; LOST to Farmingdale State 91-71 in Skyline final

East Region
1. Plattsburgh State  23-2  20-0 .496 .527 (SUNYAC):  Def. Fredonia State 72-62 in SUNYAC quarters; def. Geneseo State 65-57 in SUNYAC semis; def. Owego State 89-75 in SUNYAC finals
2. Rochester  19-5  18-5 .595 .565 (UAA): Won at Carnegie Mellon 74-67
3. St. Lawrence  17-8  16-5 .555 .515 (Liberty):  LOST to Clarkson 54-48 in Liberty semis.
4. Brockport State  18-7  15-5 .570 .531 (SUNYAC):  Def. Oneonta State 77-70 in SUNYAC quarters; LOST to Oswego State 87-72 in SUNYAC semis .
5. Stevens  20-5 20-5 .460 .524 (Empire 8 ):  LOST to Nazareth 81-70 at Ithaca in E8 semis.

Great Lakes Region
1. Hope  21-3  15-2 .508 .494 (MIAA):  Def. Alma 75-51 in MIAA 1st round; def. Adrian 83-64 in MIAA semis; def. Calvin 88-72 in MIAA final
2. Capital  21-4  20-4 .528 .524 (OAC):  Def. Mount Union 67-54 in OAC quarters; def. Ohio Northern 81-76 in OAC semis; LOST to Heidelberg 83-75 in OAC final
3. Wooster  22-3  15-2 .484 .490 (NCAC):  Def. Oberlin 104-71 in NCAC quarters; LOST to Wabash 87-63 in NCAC semis.
4. Heidelberg  20-5  18-4 .519 .521 (OAC):  Def. John Carroll 104-74 in OAC quarters; def. Baldwin-Wallace 99-80 in OAC semis; def. Capital 83-75 in OAC final
5. Penn State-Behrend  21-4  19-3 .466 .492 (AMCC):  Def. Penn State-Altoona 62-42 in AMCC semis; def. Lake Erie 57-54 in AMCC final
6. Albion  18-5  14-3 .476 .496 (MIAA):  Def. Kalamazoo 64-56 in MIAA 1st round; LOST to Calvin 75-58 at Hope in MIAA semis

Middle Atlantic Region
1. Ursinus  23-2  20-1 .512 .515 (Centennial):  Def. Dickinson 93-79 in Centennial semis; def. Gettysburg 85-78 in Centennial final
2. Gettysburg  21-3  19-2 .529 .516 (Centennial):  def. Johns Hopkins 80-69 at Ursinus in Cent. semis; LOST to Ursinus 85-78 in Centennial final 
3. Widener  20-5  17-4 .560 .535 (MACC):  Won at Albright 67-53 in MACC semis; Won at Lycoming 75-61 in MACC final
4. York (Pa.)  18-7  18-6 .539 .502 (CAC):  LOST to Salisbury 76-71 in CAC quarters.
5. DeSales  20-5  16-4 .465 .506 (MACF):  Def. Wilkes 69-53 in MACF semis; LOST to King's 71-62 in MACF final
6. Albright  16-7  16-6 .559 .544 (MACC):  LOST to Widener 67-53 in MACC semis.
7. Lycoming  16-9  13-8 .567 .554 (MACC):  Def. Lebanon Valley 71-56 in MACC semis; LOST to Widener 75-61 in MACC final
8. Scranton  17-8  15-8 .538 .504 (LAND):  Won at Moravian 79-78 in Landmark semis; def. Juniata 64-57 in Landmark final

Midwest Region
1. Augustana  20-5  19-5 .575 .555 (CCIW):  Def. Elmhurst 69-68 OT in CCIW semis; def. Illinois Wesleyan 71-60 in CCIW final
2. Washington U.  19-5  16-4 .647 .565 (UAA):  LOST at Chicago 74-66
3. Lawrence  20-2  18-2 .555 .515 (MWC):  Def St. Norbert 59-58 in MWC semis; def. Carroll 98-95 OT in MWC final
4. Wheaton (Ill.)  19-6  15-6 .577 .549 (CCIW):  LOST Illinois Wesleyan 81-78 in CCIW semis at Augustana.
5. Chicago  17-7  16-7 .605 .568 (UAA):  def. Washington U. 74-66
6. Elmhurst  18-7  17-7 .505 .537 (CCIW):  LOST at Augustana 69-68 OT in CCIW semis.
7. Aurora  20-5  18-5 .465 .496 (NathCon):  Def. Benedictine 96-75 in NathCon quarters; def. MSOE 89-64 in NathCon semis; LOST to Lakeland 82-77 OT in NathCon final (POOL B CANDIDATE)
8. Webster  19-5  17-5 .492 .481 (SLIAC): Def. Westminster (Mo.) 62-40; LOST to Maryville (Mo.) 76-73 in SLIAC semis.

Northeast Region
1. Amherst  23-2  23-1 .601 .553 (NESCAC):  LOST to Bowdoin 65-64 in NESCAC semis
2. Mass-Dartmouth  23-2  23-2 .530 .529 (Little East):  Def. Mass-Boston 131-63 in LE quarters; def. Southern Maine 75-69 in LE semis; LOST to Rhode Island College 55-52 in Little East final
3. Brandeis  19-5  18-5 .610 .580 (UAA): def. NYU 58-44
4. Worcester Tech  20-5  19-4 .535 .495 (NEWMAC):  def. Babson 60-59 in NEWMAC semis; LOST to Coast Guard 82-66 in NEWMAC final
5. Bowdoin  20-5  20-5 .571 .533 (NESCAC):  Won at Amherst 65-64 in NESCAC semis; LOST to Trinity (Conn) 74-55 in NESCAC final
6. Rhode Island College  19-6  19-6 .545 .529 (LEC):  Def. Plymouth State 77-58 in LEC quarters; def. Keene State 68-63 at UMass-Dartmouth in LEC semis; def. Mass-Dartmouth 55-52 in Little East final
7. Trinity (Conn.)  19-6  17-5 .615 .549 (NESCAC):  def. Middlebury 72-63 at Amherst in NESCAC semis; def. Bowdoin 74-55 in NESCAC final
8. Middlebury  19-6  18-5 .596 .528 (NESCAC):  LOST to Trinity 72-63(Conn.) at Amherst in NESCAC semis
9. Emerson  22-3  21-3 .442 .499 (GNAC):  Def. Daniel Webster 93-70 in GNAC quarters; def. St. Joseph's (Maine) 79-75 in GNAC semis; LOST to Lasell 86-72 in GNAC final
10. Elms  19-6  17-5 .512 .483 (NAC):  Def. Maine-Farmington 79-65 in NAC quarters; def. Becker 78-53 in NAC semis; def Lesley 72-65 in NAC final

South Region
1. Centre  23-1  18-1 .503 .498 (SCAC):  Def. Austin 67-53 at Hendrix in SCAC quarters; def. Trinity (TX) 70-57 in SCAC semis; LOST to Millsaps 69-60 in SCAC final 
2. Mary Hardin-Baylor  22-3  20-2 .494 .505 (ASC):  Def. East Texas Baptist 66-50 in ASC quarters; def. Hardin-Simmons 60-55 in ASC semis; def. Concordia-Austin 82-73 in ASC final
3. Guilford  21-4  20-4 .531 .527 (ODAC):  Def. Eastern Mennonite 81-66 in ODAC quarters; def. Roanoke 67-57 in ODAC semis; plays Virginia Wesleyan in ODAC final on Sun.
4. Virginia Wesleyan  20-5  19-4 .520 .522 (ODAC):  Def. Bridgewater 78-69 in ODAC quarters; def. Hampden-Sydney 68-55 in ODAC semis; plays Guilford in ODAC final on Sun.
5. Millsaps  22-3  17-2 .476 .493 (SCAC):  Def. Rhodes 86-57 at Hendrix in SCAC quarters; def. Hendrix 73-68 in SCAC semis; def. Centre 69-60 in SCAC final 
6. Maryville (Tenn.)  22-2  16-2 .451 .497 (GSAC):  Def. Huntingdon 84-65 at Piedmont in GSAC semis; def. Piedmont 90-79 in GSAC final (POOL B CANDIDATE)
7. Randolph-Macon  20-5  15-5 .538 .527 (ODAC):  LOST to Hampden-Sydney 69-67 in ODAC quarters.
8. Mississippi College  19-5  16-5 .507 .507 (ASC):  LOST to Howard Payne 94-90  (OT) in ASC quarters.

West Region
1. UW-Whitewater  21-4  19-4 .492 .540 (WIAC):  Def. Stout 78-67 in WIAC quarters; Def. Superior 77-73 OT in WIAC semis; def. Stevens Point 75-71 in WIAC final
2. St. Thomas  21-4  19-3 .499 .522 (MIAC):  Def. Bethel 69-68  in MIAC semis; def. Gustavus Adolphus 76-73 in MIAC final
3. Occidental  20-4  13-3 .531 .527 (SCIAC):  Def. La Verne 67-57; LOST Claremont-Mudd-Scripps 66-62 in SCIAC semis.
4. UW-Stevens Point  20-5  18-5 .575 .525 (WIAC):  Def. La Crosse 74-66 OT in WIAC quarters; def. Eau Claire 88-65 in WIAC semis; LOST at Whitewater 75-71 in WIAC final
5. Buena Vista  20-5  16-3 .496 .528 (IIAC):  Def. Dubuque 91-86 in IIAC semis; LOST to Loras77-69 in IIAC final.
6. Cal Lutheran  20-4  16-4 .498 .529 (SCIAC):  Def. Ponoma-Pitzer 70-51; LOST to Pomona-Pitzer 54-44 in SCIAC semis.
7. UW-Platteville  19-6  17-5 .526 .535 (WIAC):  LOST to Eau Claire 84-80 in WIAC quarters.
8. Loras  19-6  16-4 .518 .535 Def. Coe in 82-64 IIAC semis; def. Buena Vista 77-69 in IIAC final

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

ODAC final in OT.

[Dutch_Man]

So according to pabegg's list, there are 13 locks (listed below), leaving room for 4 spots from the contender list.

Amherst
Mass-Dartmouth
Brandeis
Rochester
Capital
Washington U.
UW-Stevens Point
Wooster
Gettysburg
Bowdoin
Virginia Wesleyan or Guilford
Centre
Worcester Tech


Contenders ( 8 )

Buena Vista
Middlebury
Occidental
Emerson
Cal Lutheran
William Paterson
Brockport State
St. Lawrence

They really think 4 teams from the UAA are going to get in. I am sure 3 will but 4 seems like a lot. But I guess they are all pretty deserving teams so I wouldn't have a problem with it. The best teams should be in it and these 4 teams happen to be in (arguably) the best conference in D3. I guess it will be interesting to see if Wash U., Rochester, and Brandeis join Chicago.

Just over 16 hours till we find out!

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

The UAA has the advantage that they're spread across three regions.  Chicago has the AQ, so the other three don't have to sit behind a conference opponent before they are considered.

[algernon]

My take after today's games:

Certain Pool Cs

1)   Amherst - Northeast #1, 23-3
2)   Centre - South #1, 25-2
3)   UMass-Dartmouth - Northeast #2, 25-3
4)   Brandeis - Northeast #3, 20-5
5)   Washington U - Midwest #2, 19-6
6)   UW - Stevens Point - West #4, 22-6
7)   Wooster - Great Lakes #3, 23-4
8 )   Capital - Great Lakes #2, 23-5
9)   Rochester - East #2, 20-5
10)   Virginia Wesleyan - South #4, 22-6
11)   William Paterson - Atlantic #2, 19-7
12)   Gettysburg - Mid Atlantic #2, 22-4

My bet is that 5 of the following will get Pool Cs bids:

1)   DeSales - Mid Atlantic #5, 21-6
2)   Worcester Tech - Northeast #4, 21-6
3)   Bowdoin - Northeast #5, 21-6, lost to Trinity in finals
4)   Randolph-Macon - South #7, 20-6, lost to Hampden-Sydney in quarterfinals
5)   Occidental - West #3, 21-5, lost to Claremont-Mudd-Scripps in SCIAC semis
6)   Buena Vista - West #5, 21-6, lost to Loras in IIAC final
7)   Cal Lutheran - West #6, 21-5, lost to Pomona-Pitzer in SCIAC semis

[smedindy]

My gut reaction guess as to the five:

Occidental
Buena Vista
St. Lawrence
DeSales
Randolph Macon