Pool C

[algernon]

Pat .....

What is your all's reasoning, in projecting both Bowdoin (21-6) and Middlebury (19-7) in the tournament, resulting in 4 NESCAC schools, while leaving Randolph-Macon (20-6) out of the tournament, resulting in only 2 ODAC schools.

It seems to me that the projection is inconsistent with:

• the relative parity of the NESCAC and ODAC (as evidenced by their comparable NCAA tournament performances over the past 5 years),
• the fact that the NESCAC schools have very week out-of-conference opponents, allowing teams like Bowdoin or Middlebury (both 6-3 in the NESCAC), to rack up impressive overall records against very poor competition, and
• the fact that Randolph-Macon has gone 1-1 against Guilford, a team that is so highly ranked that you've projected the Quakers to be one of only five teams in the country to get a bye, while suffering 3 of its 6 losses to either Guilford or the Virginia Wesleyan Marlins, which you've picked to be the #2 seed in one of your brackets.

I'm wondering whether Middlebury shouldn't be replaced by Randolph-Macon and would be interested in hearing the thinking of the DIIIhoops experts.  Thanks.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

First off... Middlebury and Bowdoin may have had what you refered to as weak out-of-conference opponents... but their OWP and the OOWP are stronger than RMC's.
13 Middlebury 17-6 .739 0.593 0.530 2-4 RR
110 Randolph-Macon 15-6 .714 0.525 0.530 1-3 RR

Secondly, the comparison to the NCAA Tournament performances over the past 5 years is negated by the fact those results mean nothing to selecting this year's tournament.

Thirdly, just because Guilford is predicted to get a bye doesn't mean they are a top-5 seed... it is much to do with geography than top teams. Howard Payne on the women's side as the only bye, versus Hope, but because of HPU's location and the teams that made the tournament from that region, it made sense to give the bye.

Fourtly, RMC's going 1-3 against regionally ranked teams is not better than Middlebury's 2-4 record against regionally ranked teams.

When you look at the hard numbers, RMC probably won't get in over Middlebury and Bowdoin... though we will wait to hear what the NCAA has to say in just over 15 minutes!

[algernon]

First off... Middlebury and Bowdoin may have had what you refered to as weak out-of-conference opponents... but their OWP and the OOWP are stronger than RMC's.
13 Middlebury 17-6 .739 0.593 0.530 2-4 RR
110 Randolph-Macon 15-6 .714 0.525 0.530 1-3 RR

Secondly, the comparison to the NCAA Tournament performances over the past 5 years is negated by the fact those results mean nothing to selecting this year's tournament.

Thirdly, just because Guilford is predicted to get a bye doesn't mean they are a top-5 seed... it is much to do with geography than top teams. Howard Payne on the women's side as the only bye, versus Hope, but because of HPU's location and the teams that made the tournament from that region, it made sense to give the bye.

Fourtly, RMC's going 1-3 against regionally ranked teams is not better than Middlebury's 2-4 record against regionally ranked teams.

When you look at the hard numbers, RMC probably won't get in over Middlebury and Bowdoin... though we will wait to hear what the NCAA has to say in just over 15 minutes!

Thanks.  It's good to hear your thinking on this .... exactly what I was looking for, and I understand it.

[jagluski]

First off... Middlebury and Bowdoin may have had what you refered to as weak out-of-conference opponents... but their OWP and the OOWP are stronger than RMC's.
13 Middlebury 17-6 .739 0.593 0.530 2-4 RR
110 Randolph-Macon 15-6 .714 0.525 0.530 1-3 RR

Secondly, the comparison to the NCAA Tournament performances over the past 5 years is negated by the fact those results mean nothing to selecting this year's tournament.

Thirdly, just because Guilford is predicted to get a bye doesn't mean they are a top-5 seed... it is much to do with geography than top teams. Howard Payne on the women's side as the only bye, versus Hope, but because of HPU's location and the teams that made the tournament from that region, it made sense to give the bye.

Fourtly, RMC's going 1-3 against regionally ranked teams is not better than Middlebury's 2-4 record against regionally ranked teams.

When you look at the hard numbers, RMC probably won't get in over Middlebury and Bowdoin... though we will wait to hear what the NCAA has to say in just over 15 minutes!

Thanks.  It's good to hear your thinking on this .... exactly what I was looking for, and I understand it.

Also, conference affiliation is irrelevant to the NCAA.  Whether or not it should be is a completely different discussion.

[NYBB]

almost selection time!  let's see what happens.  i'm just wondering what seed Rochester gets..

[pabegg]

NCAA site says postponed to 12:30.

Wonder if they're still working, or just sidelined by their fancy new technology?

[Greek Tragedy]

almost selection time!  let's see what happens.  i'm just wondering what seed Rochester gets..

They don't really "seed" teams.  D3hoops does, unofficially.

[pabegg]

Now the NCAA says 12:00 again, but they're not running yet.

[iwumichigander]

NCAA site says postponed to 12:30.

Wonder if they're still working, or just sidelined by their fancy new technology?

Wow, a 'technical foul' ?

[pabegg]

Wheaton is in, this is the first surprise.

Cal Lutheran looks like they're out. The west coast is Occidental hosting Whitworth-PP winner.

[jagluski]

How about that regional at Augustana with Augustana, Aurora, Wooster, and Wash U?

Wow.

[pabegg]

Or maybe they've got Cal Lutheran - Chapman with the winning flying somewhere?

[Greek Tragedy]

How about that regional at Augustana with Augustana, Aurora, Wooster, and Wash U?

Wow.

My thoughts exactly.

[dothedew]

Or a "potential" Sectional of Hope, Centre, UW-Whitewater, Occidental

[wizbegs1304]

Pointers fans are out there wondering if they are gonna get a shot.