Pool C

[jagluski]

How about that regional at Augustana with Augustana, Aurora, Wooster, and Wash U?

Wow.

My thoughts exactly.

The NCAA does this every year...I guess we shouldn't be too stunned.  Whoever wins this "regional of death" is my favorite to make the Final Four.

[pabegg]

Wheaton in, Cal Lutheran out is only Pool C miss

Moravian in, Chapman out is only Pool B miss.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

How about that regional at Augustana with Augustana, Aurora, Wooster, and Wash U?

Wow.

My thoughts exactly.

The NCAA does this every year...I guess we shouldn't be too stunned.  Whoever wins this "regional of death" is my favorite to make the Final Four.

Not only the really rough opening weekend, but the winner of that scrum gets whoever comes out of St. Thomas, Buena Vista, Chicago, and Stevens Point.

That's six top 15 teams in an 8 team section.  The least they could have done was swap one of those pods with one from the South.  It's not like the match-ups for sectionals matter since all four teams will be in the same place.

[Greek Tragedy]

I'll make RED the tournament (AQ) winners
I'll make BLUE Pool C contenders

Team W-L  Reg.
W-L OWP OOWP

Atlantic Region
1. Richard Stockton  18-6  18-5 .511 .521 (NJAC):  Def. Ramapo 60-59 in NJAC semis; def. William Paterson 67-66 in NJAC final.
2. William Paterson  18-6  18-6 .526 .516 (NJAC):  Def. Monclair State 71-61 in NJAC semis; LOST to Richard Stockton 67-66 in NJAC final
3. Farmingdale State  20-5  19-4 .466 .477 (SKY):  Def. SUNY-Maritime 84-69 in Skyline semis; def. St. Joseph's (L.I.) 91-71 in Skyline final
4. York (N.Y.)  20-8  18-7 .539 .502 (CUNYAC):  LOST to John Jay in CUNYAC final 68-54.
5. St. Joseph's (L.I.)  20-5  19-5 .433 .477 (SKY):  Def. Yeshiva 73-52 in Skyline semis; LOST to Farmingdale State 91-71 in Skyline final

East Region
1. Plattsburgh State  23-2  20-0 .496 .527 (SUNYAC):  Def. Fredonia State 72-62 in SUNYAC quarters; def. Geneseo State 65-57 in SUNYAC semis; def. Owego State 89-75 in SUNYAC finals
POOL C 2. Rochester  19-5  18-5 .595 .565 (UAA): Won at Carnegie Mellon 74-67
3. St. Lawrence  17-8  16-5 .555 .515 (Liberty):  LOST to Clarkson 54-48 in Liberty semis.
4. Brockport State  18-7  15-5 .570 .531 (SUNYAC):  Def. Oneonta State 77-70 in SUNYAC quarters; LOST to Oswego State 87-72 in SUNYAC semis .
5. Stevens  20-5 20-5 .460 .524 (Empire 8 ):  LOST to Nazareth 81-70 at Ithaca in E8 semis.

Great Lakes Region
1. Hope  21-3  15-2 .508 .494 (MIAA):  Def. Alma 75-51 in MIAA 1st round; def. Adrian 83-64 in MIAA semis; def. Calvin 88-72 in MIAA final
POOL C 2. Capital  21-4  20-4 .528 .524 (OAC):  Def. Mount Union 67-54 in OAC quarters; def. Ohio Northern 81-76 in OAC semis; LOST to Heidelberg 83-75 in OAC final
POOL C 3. Wooster  22-3  15-2 .484 .490 (NCAC):  Def. Oberlin 104-71 in NCAC quarters; LOST to Wabash 87-63 in NCAC semis.
4. Heidelberg  20-5  18-4 .519 .521 (OAC):  Def. John Carroll 104-74 in OAC quarters; def. Baldwin-Wallace 99-80 in OAC semis; def. Capital 83-75 in OAC final
5. Penn State-Behrend  21-4  19-3 .466 .492 (AMCC):  Def. Penn State-Altoona 62-42 in AMCC semis; def. Lake Erie 57-54 in AMCC final
6. Albion  18-5  14-3 .476 .496 (MIAA):  Def. Kalamazoo 64-56 in MIAA 1st round; LOST to Calvin 75-58 at Hope in MIAA semis

Middle Atlantic Region
1. Ursinus  23-2  20-1 .512 .515 (Centennial):  Def. Dickinson 93-79 in Centennial semis; def. Gettysburg 85-78 in Centennial final
POOL C 2. Gettysburg  21-3  19-2 .529 .516 (Centennial):  def. Johns Hopkins 80-69 at Ursinus in Cent. semis; LOST to Ursinus 85-78 in Centennial final 
3. Widener  20-5  17-4 .560 .535 (MACC):  Won at Albright 67-53 in MACC semis; Won at Lycoming 75-61 in MACC final
4. York (Pa.)  18-7  18-6 .539 .502 (CAC):  LOST to Salisbury 76-71 in CAC quarters.
5. DeSales  20-5  16-4 .465 .506 (MACF):  Def. Wilkes 69-53 in MACF semis; LOST to King's 71-62 in MACF final
6. Albright  16-7  16-6 .559 .544 (MACC):  LOST to Widener 67-53 in MACC semis.
7. Lycoming  16-9  13-8 .567 .554 (MACC):  Def. Lebanon Valley 71-56 in MACC semis; LOST to Widener 75-61 in MACC final
POOL B 8. Scranton  17-8  15-8 .538 .504 (LAND):  Won at Moravian 79-78 in Landmark semis; def. Juniata 64-57 in Landmark final (POOL B CANDIDATE)

MORAVIAN GETS IN AS A POOL B BID

Midwest Region
1. Augustana  20-5  19-5 .575 .555 (CCIW):  Def. Elmhurst 69-68 OT in CCIW semis; def. Illinois Wesleyan 71-60 in CCIW final
POOL C 2. Washington U.  19-5  16-4 .647 .565 (UAA):  LOST at Chicago 74-66
3. Lawrence  20-2  18-2 .555 .515 (MWC):  Def St. Norbert 59-58 in MWC semis; def. Carroll 98-95 OT in MWC final
POOL C 4. Wheaton (Ill.)  19-6  15-6 .577 .549 (CCIW):  LOST Illinois Wesleyan 81-78 in CCIW semis at Augustana.
5. Chicago  17-7  16-7 .605 .568 (UAA):  def. Washington U. 74-66
6. Elmhurst  18-7  17-7 .505 .537 (CCIW): LOST at Augustana 69-68 OT in CCIW semis.
POOL B 7. Aurora  20-5  18-5 .465 .496 (NathCon):  Def. Benedictine 96-75 in NathCon quarters; def. MSOE 89-64 in NathCon semis; LOST to Lakeland 82-77 OT in NathCon final (POOL B CANDIDATE)
8. Webster  19-5  17-5 .492 .481 (SLIAC): Def. Westminster (Mo.) 62-40; LOST to Maryville (Mo.) 76-73 in SLIAC semis.

Northeast Region
POOL C 1. Amherst  23-2  23-1 .601 .553 (NESCAC):  LOST to Bowdoin 65-64 in NESCAC semis
POOL C 2. Mass-Dartmouth  23-2  23-2 .530 .529 (Little East):  Def. Mass-Boston 131-63 in LE quarters; def. Southern Maine 75-69 in LE semis; LOST to Rhode Island College 55-52 in Little East final
POOL C 3. Brandeis  19-5  18-5 .610 .580 (UAA): def. NYU 58-44
POOL C 4. Worcester Tech  20-5  19-4 .535 .495 (NEWMAC):  def. Babson 60-59 in NEWMAC semis; LOST to Coast Guard 82-66 in NEWMAC final
POOL C 5. Bowdoin  20-5  20-5 .571 .533 (NESCAC):  Won at Amherst 65-64 in NESCAC semis; LOST to Trinity (Conn) 74-55 in NESCAC final
6. Rhode Island College  19-6  19-6 .545 .529 (LEC):  Def. Plymouth State 77-58 in LEC quarters; def. Keene State 68-63 at UMass-Dartmouth in LEC semis; def. Mass-Dartmouth 55-52 in Little East final
7. Trinity (Conn.)  19-6  17-5 .615 .549 (NESCAC):  def. Middlebury 72-63 at Amherst in NESCAC semis; def. Bowdoin 74-55 in NESCAC final
POOL C 8. Middlebury  19-6  18-5 .596 .528 (NESCAC):  LOST to Trinity 72-63(Conn.) at Amherst in NESCAC semis
9. Emerson  22-3  21-3 .442 .499 (GNAC):  Def. Daniel Webster 93-70 in GNAC quarters; def. St. Joseph's (Maine) 79-75 in GNAC semis; LOST to Lasell 86-72 in GNAC final
10. Elms  19-6  17-5 .512 .483 (NAC):  Def. Maine-Farmington 79-65 in NAC quarters; def. Becker 78-53 in NAC semis; def Lesley 72-65 in NAC final

South Region
POOL C 1. Centre  23-1  18-1 .503 .498 (SCAC):  Def. Austin 67-53 at Hendrix in SCAC quarters; def. Trinity (TX) 70-57 in SCAC semis; LOST to Millsaps 69-60 in SCAC final 
2. Mary Hardin-Baylor  22-3  20-2 .494 .505 (ASC):  Def. East Texas Baptist 66-50 in ASC quarters; def. Hardin-Simmons 60-55 in ASC semis; def. Concordia-Austin 82-73 in ASC final
3. Guilford  21-4  20-4 .531 .527 (ODAC):  Def. Eastern Mennonite 81-66 in ODAC quarters; def. Roanoke 67-57 in ODAC semis; def. Virginia Wesleyan in ODAC final 91-80.
POOL C 4. Virginia Wesleyan  20-5  19-4 .520 .522 (ODAC):  Def. Bridgewater 78-69 in ODAC quarters; def. Hampden-Sydney 68-55 in ODAC semis; LOST to Guilford in ODAC final 91-80
5. Millsaps  22-3  17-2 .476 .493 (SCAC):  Def. Rhodes 86-57 at Hendrix in SCAC quarters; def. Hendrix 73-68 in SCAC semis; def. Centre 69-60 in SCAC final 
POOL B 6. Maryville (Tenn.)  22-2  16-2 .451 .497 (GSAC):  Def. Huntingdon 84-65 at Piedmont in GSAC semis; def. Piedmont 90-79 in GSAC final (POOL B CANDIDATE)
7. Randolph-Macon  20-5  15-5 .538 .527 (ODAC):  LOST to Hampden-Sydney 69-67 in ODAC quarters.
8. Mississippi College  19-5  16-5 .507 .507 (ASC):  LOST to Howard Payne 94-90  (OT) in ASC quarters.

West Region
1. UW-Whitewater  21-4  19-4 .492 .540 (WIAC):  Def. Stout 78-67 in WIAC quarters; Def. Superior 77-73 OT in WIAC semis; def. Stevens Point 75-71 in WIAC final
2. St. Thomas  21-4  19-3 .499 .522 (MIAC):  Def. Bethel 69-68  in MIAC semis; def. Gustavus Adolphus 76-73 in MIAC final
POOL C 3. Occidental  20-4  13-3 .531 .527 (SCIAC):  Def. La Verne 67-57; LOST Claremont-Mudd-Scripps 66-62 in SCIAC semis.
POOL C 4. UW-Stevens Point  20-5  18-5 .575 .525 (WIAC):  Def. La Crosse 74-66 OT in WIAC quarters; def. Eau Claire 88-65 in WIAC semis; LOST at Whitewater 75-71 in WIAC final
POOL C 5. Buena Vista  20-5  16-3 .496 .528 (IIAC):  Def. Dubuque 91-86 in IIAC semis; LOST to Loras77-69 in IIAC final.
6. Cal Lutheran  20-4  16-4 .498 .529 (SCIAC):  Def. Ponoma-Pitzer 70-51; LOST to Pomona-Pitzer 54-44 in SCIAC semis.
7. UW-Platteville  19-6  17-5 .526 .535 (WIAC):  LOST to Eau Claire 84-80 in WIAC quarters.
8. Loras  19-6  16-4 .518 .535 Def. Coe in 82-64 IIAC semis; def. Buena Vista 77-69 in IIAC final

[Ralph Turner]

How about that regional at Augustana with Augustana, Aurora, Wooster, and Wash U?

Wow.

My thoughts exactly.

The NCAA does this every year...I guess we shouldn't be too stunned.  Whoever wins this "regional of death" is my favorite to make the Final Four.

Not only the really rough opening weekend, but the winner of that scrum gets whoever comes out of St. Thomas, Buena Vista, Chicago, and Stevens Point.

That's six top 15 teams in an 8 team section.  The least they could have done was swap one of those pods with one from the South.  It's not like the match-ups for sectionals matter since all four teams will be in the same place.

Actually, I think that the committee has spread this out pretty well.  There are two southern brackets to help dilute the lower left bracket.  I like the upper left bracket, with the exception of no Chapman.  That bracket brings in teams from the far West, the West, a fusion pod out of the South team, a Midwest team and two Great Lakes teams and a Great lakes Bracket that gets a bye.

The general opinion of fans outside the MidAltantic/Atlantic/East/Northeast Regions is that there are only a dozen teams from those four regions that fans west of the Appalachians consider "parity".

[LogShow]

Wheaton in, Cal Lutheran out is only Pool C miss

Moravian in, Chapman out is only Pool B miss.

Just a few thoughts on how everything worked out on the west coast. WW definately earned their spot in the NCAA (AQ) but considering they weren't ever ranked in the regional rankings (maybe the last secret rankings) it is very suprising they get a bye and get to host.  There are 5 total byes, if they were strictly given on merit, then WW wouldn't even been considered, because they aren't one of the top 5 teams in country.  But since the NCAA doesn't make any money on this tournament and tries to cut corners, WW gets the bye then gets to host.  Also I am pretty sure that in the rules it states that two teams from the same conference shall not meet each other in the first round. 

I think that what would have made the most sense would have been to give Chapman the bid and let Oxy host, then it could have been a 4-team pod of WW, Chapman, Oxy, and Pomona.  With WW playing Pomona and Oxy playing Chapman.  That way only WW would have had to fly and the NCAA could have saved their money, and that way the bye could have been better used else where.

[Greek Tragedy]

Though Cal. Lutheran had a better record, Wheaton, off the top of my head, probably had a better record against regionally ranked teams (Cal. Lutheran beat Stevens Point but lost to Oxy twice).  Wheaton also has huge advantage in opponents winning % and also a slight advantage in opponents' opponent's winning %...among other things.

Wheaton only had to have Washington U come off the board before "sitting" at the Pool C table, while Cal. Lutheran had to go through Stevens Point, Occidental and Buena Vista before they got their place at the table...and I'm sure Washington U. went off the board pretty fast.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Tom, don't forget that IWU almost certainly re-entered the regional rankings (though, alas, we will never know for sure).  That would add 0-3 to Wheaton's record.  Given the head-to-head results, and IWU's OWP (finished up, what, 6th in the country?), I just don't understand how Wheaton got in over the Titans.  (I didn't expect either to get in.)

Although I don't understand it, nevertheless sincere congratulations to the Thunder - represent well!

[Greek Tragedy]

I didn't really know much about the IWU v Wheaton argument...I was just referring Wheaton v Cal. Lutheran.  I'll let you CCIW guys fight over the former argument! 

[Mr. Ypsi]

Oops, I wasn't paying attention!  As my last sentence might hint, I thought I was commenting on the CCIW board!

[pabegg]

Just a few thoughts on how everything worked out on the west coast. WW definately earned their spot in the NCAA (AQ) but considering they weren't ever ranked in the regional rankings (maybe the last secret rankings) it is very suprising they get a bye and get to host.  There are 5 total byes, if they were strictly given on merit, then WW wouldn't even been considered, because they aren't one of the top 5 teams in country.  But since the NCAA doesn't make any money on this tournament and tries to cut corners, WW gets the bye then gets to host.  Also I am pretty sure that in the rules it states that two teams from the same conference shall not meet each other in the first round. 

I think that what would have made the most sense would have been to give Chapman the bid and let Oxy host, then it could have been a 4-team pod of WW, Chapman, Oxy, and Pomona.  With WW playing Pomona and Oxy playing Chapman.  That way only WW would have had to fly and the NCAA could have saved their money, and that way the bye could have been better used else where.

The bids come first. Once they determined that Chapman and Cal Lutheran were out, that left them with three west coast teams.

The next consideration was number of flights. That's why Occidental and Pomona-Pitzer are playing, because it eliminates the need to fly both of them.

So it was all about the number of flights.

If Chapman or Cal Lutheran had made it, Occidental would have hosted a four-team regional with Whitworth the only flight. If both had made it, Whitworth would have been flying eastwards, as the projected bracket had it.

It's a very simple set of rules.

[sac]

How about that regional at Augustana with Augustana, Aurora, Wooster, and Wash U?

Wow.

My thoughts exactly.

The NCAA does this every year...I guess we shouldn't be too stunned.  Whoever wins this "regional of death" is my favorite to make the Final Four.

Not only the really rough opening weekend, but the winner of that scrum gets whoever comes out of St. Thomas, Buena Vista, Chicago, and Stevens Point.

That's six top 15 teams in an 8 team section.  The least they could have done was swap one of those pods with one from the South.  It's not like the match-ups for sectionals matter since all four teams will be in the same place.

Last year that same section had 7 ranked teams all from the top 14.

[algernon]

Not only the really rough opening weekend, but the winner of that scrum gets whoever comes out of St. Thomas, Buena Vista, Chicago, and Stevens Point.

That's six top 15 teams in an 8 team section.  The least they could have done was swap one of those pods with one from the South.  It's not like the match-ups for sectionals matter since all four teams will be in the same place.

I'll just note that one of the so-called "South pods" isn't really a South pod .... Guilford and Averett are indeed from the south, but Widener and St. Mary's (Md.) are Mid-Atlantic teams.

One of the South teams is clearly among the best in the country.  The #12 Guilford Quakers will be tough for #7 Wash U, #9 Augustana, #11 Wooster, or anyone else to beat.  They're led by last year's D3 Player of the Year, Ben Strong, are 4-0 against other NCAA tournament entries, and have now won 16 in a row in one of the toughest conferences in the country.  I don't think anyone really wants to face them in the Sweet Sixteen instead of one of the western teams like #8 UW - Stevens Point or #21 St. Thomas.

Actually, I think that the committee has spread this out pretty well.  There are two southern brackets to help dilute the lower left bracket.  I like the upper left bracket, with the exception of no Chapman.  That bracket brings in teams from the far West, the West, a fusion pod out of the South team, a Midwest team and two Great Lakes teams and a Great lakes Bracket that gets a bye.

The general opinion of fans outside the MidAltantic/Atlantic/East/Northeast Regions is that there are only a dozen teams from those four regions that fans west of the Appalachians consider "parity".

Then there are a couple more teams that are neither in the MidAltantic/Atlantic/East/Northeast Regions nor west of the Appalachians .... #12 Guilford and #18 Virginia Wesleyan, both from the ODAC .....

Here's an interesting note on Virginia Wesleyan:  Since December 8, the Marlins are 18-1 when their opponent has been anyone other than the Guilford Quakers.

[nwhoops1903]

Wheaton in, Cal Lutheran out is only Pool C miss

Moravian in, Chapman out is only Pool B miss.

Chapman out is no surprise.  They would have had losses to WW, OXY and PP in their pod.  Cal Lu had there chance when Oxy flopped, but then they flopped same night.  Wheaton wins the coin toss by my guesstimation over Cal Lu if it even happened.

To whomever was talking about regional orphans last week and 3 pods....THANKS!  My team Whitworth, definitely caught a break.  We will take it.

[Greek Tragedy]

I HATE CHELSEA.

GO MANCHESTER UNITED.

LOL...