MBB: Conference of New England

[scout]

thanks for letting us know...

believe it or not, Gordon's coach is a class act, at least from my interactions with him and his team...
i am not one to speak for him, the program, or any of the players, but it is my belief that they have nothing but respect for the conference and the teams they play against...

as we all know, one can get caught up in the moment and things happen...
i was not at the game, so i don't have a firsthand opinion or account, but i think that this kind of reaction is rare from this squad...

and Tab, i think you said it best... UNE just seemed to outplay them... Simpson went nuts...

[dwebbs]

Here we go...

The two posts from the UNE apologists are worse for me to stomach than drunken Endicott fans posting on the site two years ago when they won the conference.

Where do I even start?

First of all, Gordon never complained that the refs were the reason for UNE beating them, so "tabs" assessment of the situation is wrong. Likewise, "cccc-fanatic" saying that Gordon needs to lose with class needs to be examined from the opposite point of view -- winning with class.

They are quick to point out Gordon's technical fouls, but UNE had the same numbers of technicals.

1. The first technical was on Chas Rentrope with 19 seconds left in the first half. After he forced Marstaller to turn the ball over, and got his team possession, he proceeded to shove Marstaller, and then shove him again, resulting in Gordon getting two FT's and the ball.

2. UNE's second technical came as a result of Issac Stickney and Aaron Trigg falling to the ground, and then Stickney shoving Trigg' into the ground. Subsequently, Marstaller picked up his T foul by shoving back and sticking up for his player.

3. Coach Schauer's technical fouls came after UNE drew a charge, which is fine, except Gordon felt they should have gotten four or five charges through out the game. That, in and of itself might seem like Gordon being a bad apple, but there is more to the story, where I feel that the ref who tossed Schauer has been involved with Gordon and questionable calls in the past. That's not for me to pass judgment on, it's the league's problem.

4. Then there was the double technical previously mentioned on this board. While Schnack and Jefferson got the fouls, Stickney caused is by setting an illegal screen on Trigg, shoving him out of the way. Apparently, neither of the players who got the technical really deserved it, it was more of the refs handing out vigilantly justice. So both technicals on Gordon's players came as a result of them sticking up for their teammates who were being intentionally fouled, and had nothing to do with the refs, or that they "couldn't take the fact UNE was beating them."

Then when all this was going on, Stickney was classy enough to go over to Coach Martin and tell him to "shut the eff up".

So really? Gordon is the team that needs to check their attitude? I know if Scout wasn't at that game, then none of the Gordon posters on this board were, and UNE supporters are only giving you half the story.

Gordon did get beat, and it wasn't because of the refs. UNE shot 61%. So say what you want about the final score, about UNE's dream season and whatever, but don't openly bash the integrity of the Gordon's player's and their coach, because it's just so far from the truth for those of us who actually know them.

[scout]

but don't openly bash the integrity of the Gordon's player's and their coach, because it's just so far from the truth for those of us who actually know them.

well said

[cccc-fanatic]

I'm so sorry and I guess I guess that I better apologize.
Since I'm a new user, I mistakenly thought that the purpose of this site was to post my opinion...but obviously I was wrong.
Next time I'll be sure to get Scout's permission to state my mind so that I'm not immediately bashed as a UNE apologist  and a drunken fan.
Yes Gordon is a great team with a great coach, but I would again suggest that even they should be somewhat embarrased by their behavior as it pertains to their own mission statement .
P.S. although there are many new products on the market, I would still recommend that old stanby, Pepto-Bismol for the upset stomach.

[cccc-fanatic]

ooops ....another apology ...to scout...I should have said dwebbs

[Put_It_On_My_Tab]

I guess dwebbs had a much better vantage point of the game than I did, the details tell me that he has watched the game more than once.  If I am a "UNE apologist", than what he described makes him a "Gordon apologist" at the highest level.   

I commend him for sticking up for Gordon as that is what he should be doing, however, don't taint the facts.  Both UNE and Gordon acted inappropriately.  Jefferson acted childish as did all of the players in the game who allowed their emotions to get the best of them. However, there is nothing that the officials or UNE players could have done that could force a man to act as the coach did.  It was embarrassing to watch.

Tabbing Westward

[cccc-fanatic]

thanks tab...couldn't have said it better myself
it was tabulous!

[backboard]

A look at the standings before the final regular season games . . .

Curry and Roger Williams are tied for 1st with Curry holding the tie-breaker.  Roger Williams travels to Eastern Naz and Curry is at home against Endicott for the their respective final games.  I'm predicting both teams to win and Curry finish #1 in the conference with RWU at #2.

There's another tie for #3 in the conference between UNE and WNEC.  UNE has definitely been a surprise to say the least this season.  They've proven they can beat good teams and are pretty dangerous on their home court.  They travel to Nichols for their last game (and they'll probably win) while WNEC travels to Colby-Sawyer.  I see CSC winning this game thus making UNE #3.  Gordon is in the #5 spot right now and has Salve at home for their final game.  If they win this game it will bump them up to #4 since they hold the tie-break over WNEC after they beat them on 2/16.

Where it gets interesting as well is the tie for 6th.  Right now Wentworth, Colby-Sawyer, and Endicott are tied.  During the season Wentworth has defeated CSC but lost to Endicott.  Endicott beat WIT but got blown out at CSC.  CSC lost at WIT and won against EC.  Wentworth has the easiest match-up against NEC while CSC is at home against WNEC, and Endicott travels to Curry.  Wentworth and CSC might win and EC goes down to Curry.

So the final standings (I'm predicting) look like this:

1.  Curry
2.  Roger Williams
3.  University of New England
4.  Gordon
5.  Western New England
6.  Wentworth
7.  Colby-Sawyer
8.  Endicott

Playoff match-ups:
First Round:

#1 Curry at home vs #8 Endicott
#2 RWU at home vs #7 CSC
#3 UNE at home vs #6 Wentworth
#4 Gordon at home vs #5 WNEC

Second Round:

#1 Curry at home vs #6 Wentworth
#2 RWU at home vs #4 Gordon

Finals:

#1 Curry vs #4 Gordon

Champions:  Curry College


Just my opinion, I could be wrong about some of the stuff I stated above.  Should be an interesting Saturday and playoffs.

[scout]

backboard...
thanks for posting your thoughts on the close finish and the tournament...
after i posted my predictions, i wasn't sure if anyone else was excited about some interesting matchups, since no-one followed up...

but you came in and saved the day...

i agree that curry is dangerous...
une is such an anomaly this year, that i could see them reaching the finals...
rwu has flown under the radar all year...

it's so tough to figure it all out...

what does everyone else think?

[cccc-fanatic]

ok, although a rookie, I'll give it a try:
I agree with backboard:
UNE beats Nichols
CS beats WNE
RWU beats EN
Curry beats Endicott
Wentworth beats NEC
Gordon beats SR

Final standings
Curry   11-2
RWO    11-2
UNE     10-3
Gordon  9-4
WNEC    9-4
Went     8-5
CS         8-5
End       7-6

1st round:
Curry - Endicott
RWU - CS
UNE - Went
Gordon - WNEC

2nd round:
Curry - UNE
RWU - Gordon

Final
Gordon - UNE

Champs - UNE - what a turn-around year from good recruiting, playing & coaching

oh well...we'll see

[scout]

and so it's all been decided...
the final standings:

Curry*     11-2     15-10
Roger Williams*    11-2    15-10
Gordon*    9-4    17-8
University of New England*    9-4    15-10
Western New England*    9-4    15-10
Wentworth*    8-5    14-10
Colby-Sawyer*    8-5    13-10
Endicott*    7-6    11-14
Nichols    6-7    10-15
Salve Regina    4-9    6-19
Anna Maria    2-10    8-16
Regis    2-10    8-16
New England College    2-11    7-18
Eastern Nazarene    2-11    5-20

therefore, with the tie-breakers, we have the following matchups in the tournament...

8 Endicott at 1 Curry
7 CSC at 2 RWU
6 Wentworth at 3 UNE
5 WNEC at 4 Gordon

some good matchups

[dwebbs]

Gordon, UNE, and WNEC all finished 9-4. Gordon beat WNEC, WNEC beat UNE, and UNE beat Gordon, so the head to head doesn't solve that. It's been my understanding that, through some formula that involves non conference, Gordon will be third, WNEC will be fourth, and UNE is fifth.

...changing the middle match ups to...

#6 WIT @ #3 Gordon
#5 UNE @ #4 WNEC

[Bill Gorman]

Gordon, UNE, and WNEC all finished 9-4. Gordon beat WNEC, WNEC beat UNE, and UNE beat Gordon, so the head to head doesn't solve that. It's been my understanding that, through some formula that involves non conference, Gordon will be third, WNEC will be fourth, and UNE is fifth.

...changing the middle match ups to...

#6 WIT @ #3 Gordon
#5 UNE @ #4 WNEC

Correct on the pairings (just announced to the schools).  The three-way tie was broken the following way:
All three went 1-1 against the other two.  UNE drops to #5 since they lost to #1 Curry, while Gordon and WNEC both beat Curry.  Gordon beat WNEC head-to-head to claim #3.

[backboard]

UNE loses their last game of the regular season (79-81) at Nichols as Issac Stickney recorded his 1,000 career points.  The loss (as stated is the last post) drops UNE down to the #5 spot and they will travel to WNEC.  The game was the last for Ron Powers, Chris Vallee and Eric Foster for Nichols.

Wentworth defeated NEC (94-74) on their senior day for Prezzie-Blue, Ed Bolton, and Gil Ward against NEC.  They were led by Bynes' 21 points, and Doyle and Prezzie-Blue's 14 points each.  Ryan Jaziri finished out his outstanding career with 29 points.  Wentworth will travel to Gordon in a rematch of last years semi-final game in which Prezzie-Blue dropped 30 points in route to a victory.

Colby-Sawyer coach Bill Foti earned his 300th victory today as his team beat WNEC at home 72-59.  CSC was led by Dave Rosso's 24 points while Asif Abdul-Wadud and Ryan Hernandez each scored 14 for WNEC.  Colby-Sawyer will travel to Roger Williams and WNEC will host UNE for their respective playoff games.

Roger Williams finished as the #2 seed and will host Colby-Sawyer as they defeated Eastern Naz in their final regular season game 71-48.  No stats up on this game as of yet.  For Eastern Naz, it was the last game for Luc Jasmin, Jeremy Hueston, Jean-Paul Marcellus, and Andrew Brown.

Gordon wins a close contest against Salve Regina 66-64.  Gordon was led by Kaufman's 18 and Trigg's 14.  For Salve, Steve Walsh recorded 25 points and Justin Woodworth recorded 14 points.  Gordon honored their seniors Justin Kaufman, Jon Marstaller, Michael Schnackenberg, and Keith Krass.

[cccc-fanatic]

does anyone know which of the 4 games will be broadcast over the internet?
thanks