MBB: Conference of New England

[john]

hoops fan
i for one had very good feelings about csc this year.the first two games seemed to say that they were on the right road, but they were against lessor teams. still i thought they could go somewhere.they held there own in a couple more but didnt win..against ec they came out on fire and i thought this is the start and then they just seemed to go back to their bad ways..i dont know how many times this year i have seen st.clair open down under and they will not get the ball to him,best or one of they best in the ccc, use him.he is smart enough to kick it back out if needed. why run the ball all the way down the court and take a junk shot when there is no one else on your team to rebound,have seen that to often.there is one big factor that sticks out in my mind and they are not doing the little things that need to be done. they still have some time left but they need to turn things around right now before it is to late and it may already be.

[john]

 i have a prediction about csc and gc.........if csc does not win,their season is done,over,finished,up the river,down the river,in the hopper,under the rug,in the grave,flushed,tanked and what ever else you want to add.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

I had been thinking about that and its sad you had to bring it up, john, but its true.  Andy St. Clair should be averaging like 28-30 points per game and he could do it because of his supporting cast.  His sophomore year, the average was pretty high, but he's trailed off a little since then, mostly because the other players want to score too.  It's just not healthy for a team.

[broke_ya_ankles]

if st clair was getting the touches he should get he would be averaging 25 a game or better...

-in their loss to Keene St. Clair went 4-11 with 5 offensive boards finished with 12 and 11

-in their loss to Bowdoin (I saw this game in person as well) St. Clair went 6-13 with 4 offensive rebounds and finished with 13 and 11

-in their loss to Brandeis St. Clair went 8-16 with 5 offensive boards finished with 18 and 10

-in their loss to Springfield St. Clair went 7-13 with 1 offensive board and finished with 18 and 6

-in their loss to Trinity (TX) St. Clair went 10-16 with 6 offensive boards and finished with 29 and 13

-in their loss to Endicott St. Clair went 7-15 with 1 offensive board and finished with 18 and 8

-in their loss to Middlebury St. Clair went 6-11 with 2 offensive boards and finished with 16 and 11

the point with the offensive rebounds is those games when hes getting 3, 4, 6 offensive rebounds at least half of those are resulting in a FG attempt which means getting a shot of wasnt due to his teammates getting him the ball it was him working his butt off to crash the boards and get his own.  only taking 10-15 FG attempts a game isnt going to get you an average of 25+
in CSC losses this year st. clair has gone 48-95 thats just about an average of 50% FG from the floor, quite efficient.  however that comes out to just 13.5 FG attempts per game your best player needs to get more that 14 shots per game if your gonna get him to produce the numbers an all-american is capable of.  Now I'm not sure whos responsibility it is to let the team know who needs to get ball but knowning St. Clair hes not one to verbally ask to be selfish, so Foti or someones needs to get the messege accross GET ST. CLAIR THE BALL!

reason i mentioned i saw the bowdoin game was that game was enough to reinforce everything I had assumed was happening, colby-sawyer was down by double digits almost from the get go and whenever they made a run and cut it to 4 or 5 it was because they were pounding it in to st clair who had position all night, then they wouldnt find him for 7 strait possessions and the lead is back up to 13, he got position on the block amost EVERY position down the court and his team failed to get him the ball.  If he starts getting 20 shots a game I honestly believe Colby-Sawyer still has a chance of making a run by years end, hell give it to him almost every time down the court treat him like hes the dominant big man that he is, hes not one to force things, he commands double teams and is very unselfish, he'll find the open man.

I apoligize for the lenth of this post its just somethin I figured I'd share with other people that I've noticed.

[john]

 
this is to broke_ya_ankles.............you took the words right out of my mouth but, for certain reasons i could not come right out and state it the way you did......you are 100% right...thank you

[AJ]

Expectations for tomorrows CSC/Gordon game:

With CSC struggling with perimeter defense and St. Clair is not getting the touches he needs down low for CSC I feel that will play right into Gordon's hands.  Gordon is known for shooting the three ball and their interior defense and rebounding has been suspect this year.  If CSC pounds the ball down low Gordon will be in trouble, but with CSC five game losing streak and the team not taking advantage of St. Clair down low, I see Gordon getting a big win tomorrow at the Bennett Center.  I like Gordon by 7.

[Trueball38]

Hey Hoops fan in response to the Curry game last night I don't know what's wrong with Coach Wynn but all I can tell you is that he really doesn't see talent all he see's is big names.  Lamb is one hell of a player but before he got back on the team this year Bartelle was the leading scorer of the team but doesn't get the respect of it the team doesn't look to feed him the ball and when he's on like the springfield game where he hit 5 three pointers in the first half they don't go back to him it's like he doesn't exist out there.  Wynn really needs to give this kid a chance because he's a really good ball player but I don't think his team even notices it.  He played maybe 4 mins last night and he wasn't injuryed so what was the reason who knows, but I personally don't think it's fair to treat kids like this who have the pontential to do great things.  They barely beat Salve because most of their points was on the bench.  Lamb is a very good player but I don't think he's the answer.

[broke_ya_ankles]

I'm glad to have said what I said and even more glad that others see it as well...I played against Andrew for 3 years in high school and got to know him a little during some all-star showcase games and during our conference games through a mutual friend, hes a helluva player a class act all-american and i absolutely HATE seing his senior season go the way its going, he deserves better and his teammates should realize this and step it up and find that winning mentality that goes hand in hand with colby-sawyer tradition.  the thing is its still rather early, CSC still has a chance to salavage the season.

[MLamont1214]

Well the answer to why bartelle is not get minutes is because his overall game is not consistent and is limited to just shooting. I think he has a great shot, but needs to work on his defense . Overall Curry did not come back 100% after the break, but maybe a bad start leads to a great finish. I see curry is playing RW tuesday.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

the thing is its still rather early, CSC still has a chance to salavage the season.

Yes, but they have to win the tournament now, which is more than they would have had to do if they came into the season ready to play.


As far as Curry goes, Lamb will be needed if they want to make any post-season noise, but he certainly has ruined the chemistry the team had in the first semester both this year and last year.  Last season they were able to get it together enough to make a decent run at the end of the year.  The changes to the team scare me, but I'll wait and see what Wynn can get out of them; they ended up pretty decent last year, so time will tell.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Line-up for Thursday Night:


NEC hosts Johnson State
CSC @ GC
RWU @ AMC
NC @ SRU
ENC @ Worcester State

[Trueball38]

Well your talking about inconsistant I have seen this kid play and don't get me wrong his defense does need a little, but the only reason he's limited to shooting because soon as he makes a nice move to the basket he gets sub out so what would that do to you as a player it would tell you to just shoot the ball.  Lamb is the best player in the CCC with Mohrin, Prescod, and M. Jones and the new freshman who's year is going well can make a run, but what i'm saying about him is that his team doesn't give him a chance to keep up what he's doing he gets looked off more then any player i've ever seen play the sport.  Yea sure he has a great shot but i've seen him play over the summer at Jim Calhouns basketball camp against guys like Kevin Ollie, Donnie Marshall, Marcus williams this kid really turned heads, and I quote from Donnie "This kid has one of the purest shots and the goes to the rim harder the most of the players I see in College Basketball today".  I respect the kid that's all and if you can see what i do then you would know.  Don't watch his stats watch his game.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

If he really had all those talents (which I'm not doubting) he would be playing elsewhere and not paying for school.  There have to be downsides to his game and quite a few of them if Wynn is really benching him.  Malcolm Wynn has earned a lot of respect over the years in the area.  He's not just some guy on the way up.

[Trueball38]

Well for what i'm understanding he had a full scholarship to Florida A&M but lost it due to a case he was involved in that the charges got dismissed on his behalf but the school revoked his scholarship.  He's good but the thing is he isn't getting the chance to really show himself.  There's people all over the city of Boston who knows this kid and what he can do even malcolm but what i'm saying is the Coach Wynn has his favorites and he's not one of them.  i promise you this when he get that chance he will explode and then you will see what I mean.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Bartelle had his chance and made the most of it before Christmas; he was great.  However, if he can't fit into a different role now that the team is starting to come back together, then it's his fault.  You can't blame the coach because he's doing what he thinks is best for the team.  At some point this kid has to take responsibility for the way he is playing.  This game is not about letting a kid show off what he can do, its about using all the talent in the best way for the team.  What is it going to do for him if Tim Jones comes back and takes even more touches away.  An athletic, talented kid like Bartelle, should be able to be a quality lock-down defender and third option without his game blowing up.  I have yet to see evidence he can do that.