MBB: Conference of New England

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Congrats John; there's a nice trophy for the house.  I agree, CSC played their best game of the year.  If they can win tomorrow, he's got a good shot at those 1,000 rebounds too.  Only 13 away.  He could do it against EC really, after 13 last night.

[john]

hoops fan..question..if csc wins ,i know they will, where do they go next??

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Um.  Probably to a really unhappy higher seed.  CSC isn't going to get respect by the committee because they were an upset winner, so they will get seeded pretty low.  Some higher seeded team is going to wet themselves when they see CSC as their pairing, especially with the big men playing so well.

[broke_ya_ankles]

to the NCAA tourney  8)

haha im guessing probably bates? maybe Keene or RIC?

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

to the NCAA tourney  8)

haha im guessing probably bates? maybe Keene or RIC?

Well it will depend on how things work out.  With the expanded tourney this year there are four team groups for most first round games.  However, if they get one of the middle seeds (8-9 in division 1) and Amherst gets a bye, they could see them in the second round.  There is really no way to predict how the tournament will look until we see the bracket on Monday.

[nescac04]

Does anyone know if there will be a live feed of the endicott-CSC game tommorrow night?

[cstrike]

Let's look at this bit by bit, shall we?

Counterstrike, quite frankly you are an idiot and you should think things through before you comment. 

Call for you from the black kettle on line one.....

I am not saying Gordon is defiantly in, but when the people at D3 have them on the front page as a virtual lock for a bid, that to me sounds like a pretty good indicator, as opposed to someone who has three posts all year, all coming within the last 24 hours. 

Frankly, if you believe everything that is posted there as far as the at-large bids, you'll have about 30 teams receiving one by the time this weekend's over..... 

Hoops knows way more about this process than you so you should shut it and wait until Sunday like the rest of us. 

For all you know, I could be on the NE Region committe, correct?  You can speculate, I can speculate.

And as for your research skills in the NCAA DIII handbook, nice job finding the info, but you should learn to think critically about the material before commenting, they teach that to us here at Gordon.

To answer this one, I'll bring back part of an earlier quote from you....

I am not saying Gordon is defiantly in

Can you explain for me what "defiantly in" means?  Is that anything like "definitely in"?  Did they teach that to you at Gordon as well?

There is no doubt in my mind that Gordon is not going to win a national championship, and there are probably 20 teams in the Midwest that have a better shot than anyone in NE, but the tournament is done regionally and the tournament committee is not going to be sending Midwest teams out to play in an eastern regional.  There probably are no championship caliber teams in the NE region but they aren't going to send all the pool C bids else where. 

So, you think that because the tournament is done "regionally," that means that they'll give out an equal number of spots to each region?  Um, nice try, but no.  All it means is that they compare teams within a region to determine most qualified teams.  When the NE committee meets on Sunday, they'll rank the teams most deserving of an at-large bid in that region.  Hoops is then right, they'll compare each region's number one, pick the best, then replace that region with their number two.  So in that way, it IS theoretically possible that all 18 at-large bids could come from the same region - won't happen, but in theory it would be possible (sort of like Communism).

To me that quote is as strong as a case for Gordon as anything else out there.

Stop being a loser fanboy and look at things objectively.  While regional record is one of the criteria for selection, it's just one piece to the entire puzzle.  Obviously, you haven't read the handbook, because if you did, you'd know that their regional ranking is only one element that will be evaluated.  Those primary criteria are (and, as the handbook states, NOT in preferential order):

• Win-loss percentage against regional opponents
• Quality-of-Wins-Index (only contests versus regional competition)
• In-region head-to-head competition.
• In-region results vs. common regional opponents.
• In-region results vs. regionally ranked teams
• Ranked opponents are defined as those teams ranked at the time of the ranking/
selection process only.
• Conference postseason contest(s) is included.
• Contest versus provisional members in their third and fourth years shall count
in the primary criteria. Provisional members shall remain ineligible for rankings
and selection.

A little critical thinking then, for you, diesel....  If there's only 18 at-large bids for the entire country, what makes you think that the Northeast will get any more than two?  If there's eight regions, it would stand to reason that it would average out that each region could reasonably get two at-large bids and that the two strongest regions would get three.  I just don't see the Northeast being one of the strongest regions in the country, and I certainly don't see one of two at-large bids going to a team that lost in the semifinals AT HOME to a team it had already beaten TWICE.  Of course, don't forget this came just two days after they barely squeaked by a 9-16 team AT HOME.

Let me reiterate my point from earlier....

If Gordon does get in, I'll at least be man enough, unlike some of the Gordon fans who showed up on here in droves after knocking off all-powerful and traditional powerhouse Nichols, to come on here after the fact and admit I was wrong.

If I'm right, though.....

[AJ]

If Gordon does get in, I'll at least be man enough, unlike some of the Gordon fans who showed up on here in droves after knocking off all-powerful and traditional powerhouse Nichols, to come on here after the fact and admit I was wrong.

Cstrike...for someone who just started posting yesterday, I'm not sure how you can get on Gordon fans for posting after the nichols win.  Almost every poster that submitted something after that game follow this board.  I do like your use of the phrase "loser fanboy" though, lets see how more times you can use that in your posts when your describing Gordon posters (....wait for it, yup cstrike just replied and called me a loser fanboy).

I like CSC in tomorrows game, they're hittin their stride right now.  Hoops I agree with you, some team is gonna be pissed when they find out that they have to play CSC in the first round.

[roy_williams]

First off, your last statement isn't a point, it's a statement. My point is I agree you are VERY manly to show up the end of the year and start talking tons of smack. You're a regular ol' john Wayne. Your bravado is certainly unmatched. I don't know many men who can anonymously come on a bulletin board, run their mouth, and still be man enough to admit they are wrong to a bunch of strangers. Even more impressive is that they will never be in contact with these people, nor after 10 minutes will these people even care. Bravo.

Second, I'm going to have to assume since you know anything about Colby-Sawyer women's bball, you are a rabid CSC supporter. Which, after the black kettle is off the phone with Diesel, he will probably call you too, fanboy. But I digress; I like the idea of thinking of you as someone on the selection committee. And I know you were a little stung when the Diesel leveled you with the comment about your safety school education, but it's pretty well known that these boards aren't the epitome of perfect grammar and spelling, nor does anyone hold them to such. Although, your dig on a misspelling is basically just what I would expect from a poster of your ilk. Know what I mean comma queen?

Lastly, I also wouldn't expect you to know this considering your investigatory skills seem to consist of only google and copy and paste, but all these "Gordon fanboys who showed up in droves" as you so eloquently put it in your raves, have been here since the season started. If anything this board was too populated with Gordon supporters. So Sherlock, I know you showed up after the CSC win, but GC did not.

If the favorites in the NESCAC and CSC win, I guarantee GC gets a bid.  But hey, if they don't, I will be man enough to show up and admit it.

But if they do............

[cstrike]

Please... that entire conference is crap, top to bottom, men's and women's.  No matter which team gets in, they're just going to get run out of the tournament in the first round.  The conference is full of schools that charge far too much for a mediocre education.

Oh, and roy, there's this wonderful thing called the internet.  You see, you can find almost any information on there if you don't mind spending, oh, I don't know, about two minutes looking for it.  So to say I'm a rabid CSC supporter, you're just plain wrong - most of you people on this board wouldn't know a good team if you saw one.  If anything, I just can't stand Gordon - they're easily the most overrated team in the region.  I only pointed out the CSC women because you only know about CCC teams, so I figured I'd appeal to your lower intellect - you know, keep it simple, stupid.

All I know is, CSC better enjoy tomorrow, because it'll be a long time before they get back to this point.

Love how your perspective has already changed, though.  At first it was, Gordon's in.  Now, it's if the favorites in the NESCAC and CSC win, Gordon's in. 

Hmm.... maybe it's finally sinking in that Gordon's not that good....

Oh, and "safety school" chants are only used by those who are in one.  But you knew that already.

NE hoops is just plain awful.  It's too bad none of you will ever see anyone from the WIAC play.  Even the bottom feeders there would demolish the top teams from the NE.

[24/7/365]

I am not going to bash cstrike, that's been done.  Rather I have a simple question.  Why are you here?  No one enticed you here.  No one offended you and forced you to defend your manhood.  What is your purpose in coming to our posting site and causing chaos? 

Trust me, we all know the CCC is not a powerhouse, but that doesn't deter us from loving our teams, and willing them to a victory, or supporting them in a defeat. 

So what if GC sucks.  I guess sucky teams can still get into the tourney.  So what if they have to rely on other teams to get in, welcome to college basketball "at-large" bids. 

I don't know who you are, nor do I care.  But atleast respect the people who have enough respect to tolerate you and your sudden outburst.  And if you don't like the CCC because they suck so bad, go somewhere else, no one put a gun to your head and forced you to post.

[backboard]

Preach! (You do have a good point 24)

[roy_williams]

go badgers!

seriously, saftey schools? that whole conference is made up of mostly university of Wisconsin system schools. talk about commuting from home. i know this is a banner year for your little, little conference and you will probably spout off about how many teams you have in the illustrious D3 top 25 and so on and so on. i know that is why you are a bitter bear (or badger as the case may be) and somehow you think you are primetime and basically the Big East of d3. we've said it a million times, its d3, it's done regionally, i'm sure tons of d3 schools have legit complaints (besides your beloved cheese league) but that is the way it is. deal with it. why don't you just boost that little GPA of yours, tell the parents you are moving out, and head on down to madison so you can talk about real bubble dreams of the badgers.

either way it will be nice, as 24 opined, for you to crawl back to your WIAC and take your 0-15, 5-20 Superior team. but please do stick around for Sunday when Gordon gets invited to the dance (which they will). i'll love to see you 'man up.'

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

I did get to take a look at the Pool C selections from last year in comparison to the SOSI numbers.  It was very interesting.  Basically the seven bids last year went to the seven teams with the highest in-region winning percentage among the top 15 C candidates in QOWI.  Gordon is sitting pretty if they use similar criteria this time around.

[Maq Diesel]

Well this board has become interesting all of a sudden, not that is hasn't been to the posters who have been here since October.  Well firstly I just got off the phone with the Black Kettle and I asked him what "defiantly" means and he told me, "Marked by defiance; boldly resisting."  Sorry that my typing failed my and when I spell checked I got screwed because defiantly is a word that is correctly spelled any way, let me use that in a sentence for you.  The regular posters on the CCC board are defiantly protesting cstrikes presence.

I digress, I was checking out the multi-regional topics board and I saw that Pat had posted the QOWI numbers through last night and here are the top 10.

1-10
Amherst     12.000     22-1
Lawrence    11.571    21-0
Worcester Polytech    11.091    19-3
Tufts    11.000    19-4
St. John Fisher    10.864    21-1
Mississippi College    10.833    23-1
Lincoln    10.813    12-4
Gordon    10.560    22-3
Trinity (Texas)    10.526    16-3
Virginia Wesleyan    10.481    24-3

Gordon is number 8 that is impressive.  I was thinking about tonight's game and looking at the numbers and I think aside from the obvious fact that Gordon and Endicott hate each other we want CSC to win from a numbers stand point.  Both EC and CSC stand at .667 in-region win percentages and with GC having split with EC and having gone 2-1 with CSC, CSC becomes the valuable of the two from a QOWI perspective.  Also I don't have the time or energy to go through all the factors the NCAA uses in selecting teams but as of right now GC sit with,

10.560 #8, in QOWI and a 22-3 or an 88% in-region win percentage.  Like I said, I am not sure about the rest but those are very strong numbers.

As for tonight's match-up George v Thorpe match-up may be one of the best all year, both players are playing out of their minds right now, Nemanja and St. Clair goes to St. Clair in my opinion, so I am saying it is going to come down to a back court battle, the dark horses for me are Ellis and Truncellito who ever helps his team the most, will hoist the CCC hardware.