MBB: Conference of New England

[CCC Talk]

Correct all refs are independent contractors however it does seem like an abundance of truly awful officials end up working CCC games.

Add in the geographical constraints on some officials and the fact that you see the same awful refs at places like RWU and another set of awful ones at CSC a lot and you can start to make generalizations about the leagues officiating.

Word is out of Boston last night that a ref blew a huge call calling a UNE shot a 3 with a foot on the new 3 point line. The game ended up being a 1 point game so that's pretty awful.

[yeah buddy]

often times these refs do high school games as well. believe me we aren't going to be seeing any of these guys doing a duke - unc game any time soon. it makes playing in the CCC hard at times. foul calls are inconsistent so it is difficult to tell how aggressively to play from one game to the next. also, these subpar refs are thrown into important games and when it comes down to crunch time they often miss calls or make horrific ones that can change the outcome of a game. this is is just the way it goes in the CCC. arguing about a specific call is pointless because they blow important calls all the time.

[Hugenerd]

Nice to see that most of the CCC fans are reasonable people (I mean that seriously).  It is ok to have a discussion about a topic you disagree on. 

I guess I will go back to "my" board now, you are all welcome to visit whenever you like. For the record, I harped on this topic for less 24 hours on this board, so saying a "few" days would be an inaccurate description.

[akirk]

24 hours?  Really.  Is that why the post on the 19th listed below is talking about how you hate it when refs make bad calls???  Why don't you go back to your own board and stop wasting our time on this one.




15   Posting Up / Northeast Region / Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL  on: November 19, 2008, 09:26:39 pm 
MIT loses in OT 77-69. MIT didnt get a single call in OT while Gordon shot what seemed like 8 or 10 FTs (I dont have the actual stats).

Bartolotta fouls out for just the fourth time in 84 career games (he had one each of the past 3 years, this is the first time he has fouled out since his freshman year in a game that did not at least go to a single OT) and for the first time in his career on the road.  This is the quickest he has ever fouled out, 26 minutes (previous low was 32 his fresman year). That last foul call on Bartolotta was especially ridiculous. It was a petty call that could probably be made on either team on every posession of the game that happened to be called on the best player on the court for the visiting team with less than a minute to go in a very close game. I hate when refs make calls that directly effect the outcome of the game when a there is no reason to make a call.  If he had hacked someone going to the basket or fouled someone causing a turnover or did anything that made any difference I wouldnt mind, but that was just an awful call.

[scout]

Let's give hugenard all a break and start talking about tonight's games...

Gordon won, let it go.

[Hugenerd]

24 hours?  Really.  Is that why the post on the 19th listed below is talking about how you hate it when refs make bad calls???  Why don't you go back to your own board and stop wasting our time on this one.




15   Posting Up / Northeast Region / Re: NEWMAC BASKETBALL  on: November 19, 2008, 09:26:39 pm 
MIT loses in OT 77-69. MIT didnt get a single call in OT while Gordon shot what seemed like 8 or 10 FTs (I dont have the actual stats).

Bartolotta fouls out for just the fourth time in 84 career games (he had one each of the past 3 years, this is the first time he has fouled out since his freshman year in a game that did not at least go to a single OT) and for the first time in his career on the road.  This is the quickest he has ever fouled out, 26 minutes (previous low was 32 his fresman year). That last foul call on Bartolotta was especially ridiculous. It was a petty call that could probably be made on either team on every posession of the game that happened to be called on the best player on the court for the visiting team with less than a minute to go in a very close game. I hate when refs make calls that directly effect the outcome of the game when a there is no reason to make a call.  If he had hacked someone going to the basket or fouled someone causing a turnover or did anything that made any difference I wouldnt mind, but that was just an awful call.

Did you even read my post carefully?  Is the NEWMAC board the same board as the CCC board?

Lets revisit my post:

Nice to see that most of the CCC fans are reasonable people (I mean that seriously).  It is ok to have a discussion about a topic you disagree on. 

I guess I will go back to "my" board now, you are all welcome to visit whenever you like. For the record, I harped on this topic for less 24 hours on this board, so saying a "few" days would be an inaccurate description.

Hence, I did not write on this board until last night, so why dont you learn to be careful when you read before you criticize.  I was pretty deliberate with my wording smart guy.

[backboard]

Ok moving on.  At the half, Gordon 29 - Oneonta St. 26

Gordon started the game well as their ball movement led to easy baskets.  Oneonta calmed down at tied it up with intense defensive pressure.  Their bigs are too athletic for Gordon, forcing Coach Schauer to go to a zone after makes and man defense after a miss.

[backboard]

Gordon took over after halftime going up by as much as 12 points.  Their offense was clicking and their shots were falling.  Oneonta eventually rebounded back using their athleticism and a trap defense.  Onenota's best offensive player was in foul trouble and eventually fouled out (surprise, surprise).  Gordon's lead to was too much to complete Oneonta's rally as the final score reads 68-63.

I'm sure Scout will have more on this game.

[backboard]

Yesterday's games:

Gordon 68 - Oneonta St. 63
Trigg had a horrible shooting night (3-14) but still led the way with 15 points.  Derr and Bajema had 13 and 12 respectfully.

Bowdoin 72 - WNEC 39
Ouch.  WNEC shot 24% for game and were out-rebounded 49-32.

Eastern Conn 87 - NEC 47
Another ouch.  NEC shot 25% and were out-rebounded 48-29.

Tufts 82 - Roger Williams 76
Tucker Bashaw had 23 and Billy Barrett had 18 of his own.  However Tufts shot 50% for the game and two players scoring more than 20 each.

Colby-Sawyer 79 - Rutgers Camden 60
David Rosso led the way with 22 points and Andrew Cousins chipped in 15 as well.  As a team they shot 54% and held Rutgers-Camden to 34%.

Rivier 87 - Anna Maria 80
Derek Johnson had 25 points and 15 rebounds for the Amcats, but it wasn't enough to defeat Rivier.

[backboard]

Friday's best: Derek Johnson, Anna Maria:  25 points (10-18), 15 rebounds (10 offensive), and 2 assists off the bench in only 25 minutes.

Friday's worst: Kyle Fredette, WNEC:  6 points (2-12, 1-5 3-PT), 5 rebounds, 6 turnovers in 29 minutes.

[scout]

Great finish to the Gordon-William Patterson game tonight. The Fighting Scots were down by as much 13 points midway through the second half and pull through to win by one point before the end of regulation.

Unlike the game against MIT, there was no bogus call changing the outcome of the game.

The feed for the game was severely slow and so I only got bits and pieces of the comeback. I'm sure there will be others who will be able to add more experiential analysis.

Aside from that, it is important to note the importance of this win.

Gordon has beaten MIT, a solid SUNY Oneonta team, and a William-Patterson team that had garnered votes to be in the top 25 in the nation.... All in the same week.

It has been said throughout the early part of this season that the CCC is down this year. Gordon is making a case that they can play with the 'big boys' on a consistent basis. We all thought that the win against Plattsburg State last year was a fluke, but Coach Schauer is proving his ability to bring Gordon to a whole new level.

[dwebbs]

Now we just have to wait until some malcontent claims WP never blows a 13 point second half lead, and some how this game was rigged.

[thebizzle]

Where is Hoops Fan? The faithful one, the one that compelled me check d3 hoops every single day of basketball season for his analysis the past four years. I appreciate scout, backboard, dwebbs and CCCTalk, but Hoops come back to the board son! I know grad school is hard,  but take a break at starbucks, and post. Where are the endicott fans? Where is James Bartelle? Is GSMIZZLE in the house? You graduated, you can post now! Where is Jim Rome CCC? Marv Albert anyone? This board needs to get fired up!! Fans of the CCC start reppin your teams.

[scout]

This board needs to get fired up!! Fans of the CCC start reppin your teams.

I second that motion.

[yeah buddy]

haha. i agree we are definitely missing GSMIZZLE's input.
Gordon makes the God-forsaken trip up to Husson tonight. Tough trip to make right before thanksgiving break. Gordon has dropped the last two games against them so it will be interesting to see how this one turns out.